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Zdravei! Bi li nominiral statiqta za Samuil za izbrana? Mislq si, 4e vsi4ki zabelejki ot predniq pat sa iz4isteni. Ti kak misli6? Sajalqvam, 4e pi6a taka, no nqmam fonetika vka6ti... Radvam se, 4e otnovo pi6e6 aktivno ;-) Pozdravi, --Gligan (talk) 18:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


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 * Ami... edin potrebitel mi kaza, 4e izto4nicite na balgarski trqbva da se citirat na bg-kirilica, bg-latinica i angliiksi, i ako e taka ne vijdam kak moga da se vmestq v 6ablona. 6te se opitam da naptravq ne6to no vaprosa s citatite ot internet. Pozdravi, --Gligan (talk) 17:50, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Ами в интерес на истината, аз не исках българските източници да бъдат цитирани по този начин, но потребителят Pmanderson ми каза да го направя и ми отне доста време, а сега пак да ги връщам... не знам. А иначе до края на деня ще оправя и останалите източници от интернет. Поздрави, --Gligan (talk) 09:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

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Здравей!
Благодаря за хубавите думи!Все още съм нов и се уча,но с радост ще допринасям за развитието на Уикипедия.GvmBG (talk) 12:51, 11 September 2008 (UTC)GvmBG

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Re:Tamar of Georgia GA
Hi Todor. Many many thanks for your review and useful edits. I do appreciate them. I looked through the Chiprovtsi article and it really reads great. I'd suggest adding some refs to the intro. I'll soon read the article more closely. Keep up good work! --KoberTalk 07:01, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Award
Dear Todor, sincere thanks for your so kind opinion of my work (The Original Barnstar); I am greatly honoured indeed. Best, Apcbg (talk) 10:41, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

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Gardar Gunnlaugsson
Здравей, Божинов! Понеже не знам добре английски би ли написал в статията, че Гунльойсон е първият исландски футболист играл в А ПФГ. Дебютира срещу "Пирин", като сменя Евгени Йорданов в 75 минута. Благодаря. 87.126.215.204 (talk) 11:10, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

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Re: Extreme Points of Bulgaria
Thanks for the help. I think that there is no reason this can't be a FL with a little fixing. I look forward to working with you. -- Mr.crabby   (Talk)   01:43, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've nominated the article for FL status. -- Mr.crabby   (Talk)   21:17, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Articles are promoted if no one has any further complaints about them, not because of a certain number of votes. I probably wouldn't vote if I were you, but it won't really matter. It is more important that we address the problems that other editors have with the article. -- Mr.crabby   (Talk)   21:23, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Biserica Neagră
Greetings, Todor. First of all, thanks for the details on the article. Now, for some criticism: I notice that, quite a lot of times, you insert your references in texts using a certain format, regardless of what format the texts already use. I have absolutely no problem with that format, as long as it has all the relevant data mentioned, but using several formats in the same place not only looks sloppy, it also gives other editors something to do that they rather wouldn't (i.e., unify the formats - in this case, it was me). I understand that you're most comfortable with that format (even though I find it very restrictive myself), and I certainly don't expect you to format all other references when you're just inserting one, but wouldn't it save us all a lot of work if you just go with what's in the text? This also goes for your use of Cyrillic, which seems to be adapted to Bulgarian wiki formats but doesn't really make sense over here: sure we shouldn't transliterate the title, but it should be implied that we transliterate author, publishing house and city.

Also, there seems to be another problem with one of the sources, and I think it's quite serious: yes, the book you link to may have been published, but the domain is a personal page, and this fails WP:RS.

Now, there's another thing that bugs me. Even if you gave the complete reference details for one source, another one was incomplete (and the order you used elsewhere reversed), while the other one (Thomas Tartler & Josef Trausch) simply lists no relevant details other than title and authors (what about year? publisher? page?!). I suspect the explanation here is that you simply copied the reference not from the original work, but from a secondary source - when I tried to fill in the publishing details, I came upon this (it cites the text and the book exactly as your addition does). I would say "why not just cite the secondary source?", but, really, to what measure is this a reliable source? Dahn (talk) 23:04, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, Todor, you can probably tell I wouldn't be as pedantic if I didn't actually care about having a uniform and coherent text. For starters, there were some differences in the citation styles, which made the end result look patchy and inconsistent (as I have suggested before, I'm not imposing on others to care about that, and I understand that they don't, but someone has to if the article can expect to go places). I did take the liberty to format them according to what was already there (the simplest way).
 * Please note that I was not proposing adding your notes under references - I also go with "cited once, goes under notes", all for the sake of clarity.
 * I take your word on the reliability of one source (what surprised me most is that the two online sources seem to replicate each other (check out the address for this link). And so what if the other was published online? It's a personal page (doesn't matter who the person is), meaning that it's either self-promotional or a crying-to-God copyvio. I have no problem with the source itself (meaning that I do not pronounce a view on source reliability when I don't understand the language), but the link had to go, and I removed it.
 * All in all, I don't want to seem like I'm "on your case". I have enjoyed your contributions whenever I got a chance to read them, and I'm particularly fond of the new trend whereby some of my favorite Bulgarian and Romanian editors discuss freely and amiably their common historical heritage and the traditional exaggerations on both sides. If we also aim towards adapting our writing styles to a consistent format, things can only be for the better. Cheers, Dahn (talk) 11:50, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind remarks about my contributions, though I'm sure I don't deserve them. One of the great things about this pan-Eastern European reaching-out is that we have a chance to accomplish not only more cooperative efforts than was the norm in our history, but also more than what happens on other sections of wikipedia (I've seen this happening in the Hungarian-Romanian equivalent, but activity among the former group of editors is, alas, sporadic).

Indeed, I did not object to the sources and did not remove them (if anything, because I have full confidence in your competence and power to discern). The problem was with the links, and I'm glad we came to an understanding. About the Cyrillic spelling: your approach is reasonable, but I still find it inconsistent (still, I won't press the matter further).

I am sure that one day you'll add 🇷🇴 romania to your collection of those you visited on Earth. Perhaps then you'd get too see the Black Church entry - it's really not that impressive up close, but the church itself is pretty intimidating; in nay case, if you're ever forced to chose between Braşov and Sibiu, I strongly recommend Sibiu. As for the traditional monasteries and churches: I like many of them myself, but the style can get unnerving - they're copying it in every new church nowadays, and, where there were already too many churches around, they're building one every time a pimple is cured or a pup is born (this also means that churchgoers have come to prefer shiny new things, so they either leave some of the old ones to cave in or, which is even worse, "improve" the old in some intrusive way or another).

But perhaps this is a good place and time to let you in on some "secrets" of my own. For starters, one of my maternal great-grandfathers was half-Bulgarian (born in Bulgaria, actually), and all my maternal family hails from an area where Bulgarians and Romanians lived side by side (incidentally, my Bulgarian great-grandfather was in denial, probably because he was an orphan raised by his relatives in Romania - did his best to forget Bulgarian and was quoted by my elders saying that, had he known what part of him was Bulgarian, he would have chopped it off). Amusingly, although they never spoke Bulgarian or anything, some of his descendants have inherited the "inverted" nods for yes and no, which they alternate with the "normal" ones - picture what comes out of this. On the other hand, my Bulgarian great-grandfather's son-in-law (my grandfather), from a Romanian family, always had a special love for Bulgaria, which he visited over and over again, where he made friends, and which he wanted to see cooperating with Romania in every way possible (even within a Balkan Federation). I have visited Bulgaria only once, a rather long time ago (though I have friends who go there almost every year); I was impressed with magnificent Plovdiv, but I also found that Bucharest does not compare with Sofia (our capital has grown ugly, dirty, flashy, exhausting and aggravating; yours I remember as pretty, clean, decent, refreshing and quiet). Dahn (talk) 17:54, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hm, where were we? Sorry, I tend to drift out now and then, looking for those sparkling articles to edit :). And then it takes me a while to get back where I left off.
 * You mentioned Southern Dobruja, and I have to say that, for all the things conservative Romanians will say, that area had no business being Romania's in the first place - meaning that whatever criterion (faulty or acceptable) Romanian nationalism used for its irredenta does not even begin to apply in its case. One could also argue that Romanians were aware of this being the case, proof of this being the Treaty of Craiova. Northern Dobruja was also gained through imperialism, only it wasn't our imperialism, it was theirs :). It would be interesting to track down what Romanian newspapers had to say about the region back in 1878 - stuff like "why would we want this barren piece of nowhere instead of our beautiful Budjak? etc." Of course, camping out by the sea every summer made up for the insult, and that's how it became "the land granted to Romanians by Mircea blah blah blah". Then again, it was probably for the best that the Turks and Tatars in both regions didn't have to go through what happened to Muslims in Bulgaria - yes, I do think that was one of the most shameful things to have happened in the Balkans during the post-1950 period. I'm not one to fantasize about Balchik (much of the palace area looks like kitsch to me), but maybe the Romanian presence did at least create an interesting island of, well, originality - and that originality may be worth preserving, against the assimilationist trends on either side of any Balkan border (Romanian borders included).
 * I'd still wager that Sofia is far better off than Bucharest. If anything, because Zhivkov was only half as insane as Ceauşescu. And the Dimitrov Mausoleum was not half as contemptible as the Palace o the Parliament - or, at least, you were able to tear it down after some trial and failure. Whatever new developments seem unbearable about Sofia, Bucharest builds on top of that massive skeletons in its closet. And I miss overcrowded buses... in Bucharest, cars top on pile of each other and suffocate the city, because every nitwit who can pass a driving test will now aim for a Humvee. And then the Vitosha. Consider that the highest lookout point in Bucharest is this wee pile. But then again, I grew up in hill country.
 * I for one would enjoy an article about the "inverted nods". Would you also happen to envision what title it could have? Dahn (talk) 22:31, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Tolle, lege (p. 121 ff.). Fascinating; just a quote from Ion C. Brătianu to whet your appetite: "We cannot exist without that small part of Bessarabia. We would be suffocated without that region. Through it, the gates of the world are opening up to us. Without Bessarabia we would be engulfed by Russia, Austria, Turkey, and Bulgaria. Dobrogea doesn’t open up any exit for us, and in the lack of direct communication routes, we would be able to communicate with it only through swamps and marshes, or through a round journey that we would have to take through the mouth of the Danube. This we would not be able to accept under any circumstances." And: "Adversaries of the annexation employed an impressive range of arguments against Dobrogea, portraying the population of the province as 'an assemblage of most turbulent elements, gathered there from all over the world,' and characterizing the province as 'a marshy country, in which yellow fever is endemic,' and the organization of which would prove 'the ruin of our finance.'" -- Biruitorul Talk 03:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Eeeexcellent. Dahn (talk) 11:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not god ... move it back and add the refs. Maybe it ll get loaded. It is tough. If yous isnt a dud and its obviously not an orphan then see if you can get someone to review it. Sorry if your upset, its not intentional Victuallers (talk) 21:13, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Dobrich
I don't know Wikipedia policy (whether or not to mention other names, in what criteria) when a place has different names in various languages. If you are talking about 8% Turkish population then the Romanian name should not have mentioned in the first place. You might want to put the Turkish name in vote or just delete it, honestly I don't really care.--Infestor (talk) 13:28, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The name is Dobriç (transliterated: Dobrich, the same). I rolled the article back. Dobruca (Dobrudja--Infestor (talk) 20:18, 26 October 2008 (UTC)) is the region.

Pictures in an infobox
I can't put the image of Hristo Batandzhiev in the infobox that I created in his article in the English Wiki. The image is avalable in the Bulgarian Wikipedia. Why is that? Do I need to upload the picture AGAIN in the English wiki? --Chief White Halfoat (talk) 08:21, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, upoading it to [commons.wikimedia.org Commons] would solve the problem, but I doubt you'd be able to squeeze it there. Yeah, to use it here it should be uploaded either to Commons or to the corresponding wiki. -- L a v e o l  T 19:18, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

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Panorama law
Application of the law has, comrade! (Well, I'm not sure this has Communist origins; Romania's equivalent was imported from France, which invented the whole idea. Either way it's quite absurd. I suggest petitioning the Bulgarian Parliament to change the law, though I doubt that would have much effect, given most Bulgarian politicians seem to have other masters than the people who elected them.) -- Biruitorul Talk 05:54, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I should have explained - the idea was not that the mafia would care, but that politicians would be more likely to listen to them (on any issue) than to regular citizens. In any case, I think this is very much a case of copyright paranoia. Biruitorul Talk 16:00, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Panorama stuff
Здрасти - то и аз самия съм малко зает. Опитах се да измисля сам какво да правя, но не намерих подходящия шаблон за снимките. Отправих запитване и получих твърде странни отговори ([]). Освен да ги тагнем както е казал първия и да приключим с това. Другото е, че ако имаше проблем в Комънс щяха да са писнали. А единия от тези, които коментирата GAN-а каза, че ще повдигне въпроса там, ама гледам, че нищо не е направил. -- L a v e o l  T 12:54, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

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Tundza river
Hello, I want to know what the proper pronounciation, Tundzha  is. Just [tunza] Right? or somthing... Because I translated the contents to Korean wikipedia and need to modify. maybe I have wonder what if the Bulgarian or Turkish pronounciation would be different. If you know, please let me know! :) Pju0353 (talk) 09:20, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank for your kind answer for me ~! Hope someday I can get the similar question from you about Korea Pju0353 (talk) 13:44, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Nice quote (reasonable)
If they were so aware of this Macedonia regionality, than why didn't they put it as a complex coat under the Bulgarian one. No offending mate, but it's silly. The only region in the world I know is Antarctica, well not literally, but enough stupid to do analog abreviation in regard of your explanation Vlatko T 01:44, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Look, I'm not a narcis OK. You are swearing that you understand everything, worse than using the phrase knowing. you can catch the difference :). By the way i find it really stupid to prove my self to you, I know how much I know, and obviously you only tell me of your self the entire time. Think about...really.Vlatko T 15:01, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh human, and you really needed to translate that. For god's sake, How in are you. Please I do not have nothing against the Bulgarians, but do not expect from me that I won't protect mine. "I beg you" do not tire us with your movie. Vlatko T 16:47, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You know what is a movie? Your userpage is a movie, and a sci-fi one at that :) But let me not talk about using WWI Greek propaganda maps showing all of west Anatolia as Greek and the anti-Macedonistic text of Petko Slaveykov himself to prove a WP:POINT. The rest of your userpage I won't comment, but I do like the way you're using moderate Bulgarian slang like "human", "to be in" and "movie" in English :) Per your request, I won't tire you anymore with orange bars and I'm ending the discussion here. Todor→Bozhinov 16:57, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

THANK YOU. Please be not offended, But I do not take seriously any more any kind of bubling, we know as at least for three years here. i'm sure you got at the same point for this. Do your own I'll do mine Vlatko T 17:07, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * And only this one, Your love for Yane Sandanski is really soul disturbing, You touched me. Sayonara.Vlatko T 17:15, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * As Platonic as our love is, it's no match to a rainbow party :) Todor→Bozhinov 17:20, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Your cognitive self trust is kindly expressive. Respect. Vlatko T 19:14, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I've made a boo-boo
Could you check on what I've exactly done on Vlado Chernozemski and Dimo Hadzhidimov. They were moved by a certain editor as you'll see and then I moved the first to a wrong location. Then I think I performed what is called a "cut-and-paste" move. This is not the proper result now, is it? -- L a v e o l  T 17:23, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Do whatever you want but keep in mind the neutrality and do not push your BG propaganda pls.--  MacedonianBoy Oui? 17:26, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Stop it already - I see your ban is till 14th, but that doesn't mean you should start with your stuff again. -- L a v e o l  T 17:32, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Today is 16 of November and I am not vandalizing just I am trying to stop your Bg nonsenses. If you do not like it- what can I do? You cannot write the history, but you can create new false history as you are doing in BG and here. You are lying the people. this is encyclopaedia after all.--  MacedonianBoy  Oui? 17:39, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, the outcome looks fine to me, but it seems tome revision history was lost or at least it's not where it's supposed to be: that's no big deal really. The more important thing is that you undid this POV pusher's edits because they conflict with the arbitration and WP:MOSMAC. He should be promptly banned again for doing that, shouldn't he? I mean, it's ridiculous: Chernozemski wasn't even born in the region! :) Todor→Bozhinov 17:43, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I have to say I hope this is the case. I imagine he hardly waited the previous ban to expire. -- L a v e o l  T 17:51, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

GA review of Vasil Levski
Hello TodorBozhinov. I'll be reviewing your article. Thanks, Kensplanet  Talk  Contributions  06:12, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Greetings my freind. Vasil Levski has been successfully promoted to GA status. Good work. The article has been listed under GA (Historical figures: politicians).


 * Wow, congrats for that :)) You truly are a hero - this is definetly the top importance bg article. I think I've got to think of a barnstar for you as well ;) -- L a v e o l  T 21:26, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * A Well deserved GA. Kensplanet  Talk  Contributions  10:45, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

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bulgarian sources
Hello MR Bozhinov, the bulgarian editors seem to be full of ethnographic materials from the early 20th century regarding Macedonia. I was wondering is you have any information on the village of "Katafygi/Katafigi/Katafigion" amongst the old turn of the century publications. If so, does the text mention the ethnicities present in the village at that time. The village was just excluded from V.Kanchovs Macedonia;Ethnography and Statistics report of 1900. As you can see here. If you know of sources, please do tell. PMK1 (talk) 12:02, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure, if that is a possibility. Oh, i am not looking for a potential ethnic macedonian, my enquiry is regarding the village of Katafigi and a possible aromanian population there. As you can see the village is v. close to Mount Olympus and Vlaholivadon. He apparently spoke another language, this may in fact be true and turn out to be Aromanian. If you stumble across the source, feel free to forward the requested info. PMK1 (talk) 21:36, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

On your comment
Not at all: Ioannina had an Albanian population, till 1923. If you know greek, you can see the official site of the municipality, in the history section, which speaks about this albanian population (not to mention other NPOV sources). Secondly, Ioannina was part of what was called Ottoman Albania by Encyclopedia Brittanica 11th edition (you can check it there). Ioannina was part of Pashalik of Janina, ruled by albanians. Ioannina had its delegates in the Albanian Declaration of Independence. So, it is an important city, not only for greeks, but for albanians as well.Balkanian`s word (talk) 20:21, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The 11th edition of Ecyclopedia Britanica states that the town of Ioannina is "inhabited by Albanians and Greeks", so I am not so sure, if Albanians were just some, a seizable minority, or a "co-"majority (i.e. half of the population.Balkanian`s word (talk) 20:54, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Meshtreski
I have to look on them. Qind in albanian means one hundred and it is used as qind-arka which means cent. Buka is bread, keq in albanian means bad, and qelesh in gegh albanian is used for a lot of things that derive from wool. But, I cannot help you if these are the roots of the bulgarian words, because I have no book of it and most of all I do not know the words` evolution in Bulgarian, i.e. if these albanian words may be transformed in the meshtreski words, according to bulgarian phonetic rules.Balkanian`s word (talk) 16:18, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

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Interesting.
I am interested in putting the South Slavic names for Xanthi, Myki, Kotyli, Alexandroupoli, Amaxades after all the people there are Pomaks who speak the Pomak language. I mean we all know that they speak bulgarian and you know that in West Macedonia, the Macedonian language is spoken. By the same logic we could add SE-Slavic to all the cities i just mentioned, apparently bulgarian isnt spoken there. PMK1 (talk) 05:47, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I find that very strange coming from you. But it is a linguistic fact that the "pomak language" is merely a dialect of Bulgarian, and should be treated as such. In the same way the "slavic dialects of greece" are dialects of the Macedonian language. These are both linguistic facts. One does not need to speak the "codified" language to have the language spoken in that area. Do you really think that in most areas of ROM the codified language is spoken? What is wrong with "south slavic" and "local slavic", they are not languages and rather a POV push by certain users to dissaciate the respective languages from bulgarian in the east and macedonian in the west. Who says I have nothing to do with western thrace, by the same logic you have nothing to do with west greek macedonia. Funnily enough the name was agreed to by both ROM users and Greek users, you objection is interesting to me. Are the dialects spoken in west greek macedonia, not dialects of the macedonian language? PMK1 (talk) 01:02, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * You really think that i am so irrendentist, dont you. Where the language spoken by the locals is clearly macedonian i really cannot see why you must add bulgarian names. I am not talking about places in serres, drama, kavala prefectures, but in florina, kastoria, pella and imathia prefectures where the language is clearly macedonian. It seems very ridiculous to outside users, (this is why it got the lamest cultural/ethnic disputes), that we cant even agree on what langauge it is. Linguistically it is Macedonian, in the past it was known as Bulgarian. I am well aware of that. Today it is Macedonian, we agreed on Macedonian Slavic, as a compromise. It would be like adding Macedonian toponyms alongside bulgarian ones, for blagoevgrad and petric and sandanski. Something which shouldnt be done because in those towns the people are in fact Bulgarians and not ethnic Macedonians. It will be interesting to see if my people really exist or we are just some or your lot. Remember it is Bulgarian here but not here. I will revert you one more time, then i will leave the ball in your hands. PMK1 (talk) 02:00, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * But linguists agree, that in the west and the central areas it is Macedonian. In the east it is Bulgarian. This is the language that i am talking about. This is a linguistic fact. PMK1 (talk) 12:51, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

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Translations
Hello Todor

I would like to translate a few pages about Bulgaria from English into Russian. I don't understand Russian myself (and only have editing of English pages activated), but I do have a Russian translator who can do the translations. What is the best way I can get the Russian translations entered?

I tried asking this question on my talk page and they suggested talking to the Russian group, but I am not sure how to do this. Am I right in thinking you are responsible for Bulgarian topics? Is this page the best way to communicate?

FromBG (talk) 18:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

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Marko Lerinski
hi, apart from the open debate as to whether "Grecoman" was/is most often used in a pejorative way i think you should reword that part leaving the term out, solely based on the bias to be expected from Bulgarian sources regarding this specific characterization my request should be reasonable. I can't evaluate the references myself, so please judge from the context and re-phrase (or at least omit what those people were exactly). Thanks. --Zakronian (talk) 22:27, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Kay, I've got it changed. I personally don't regard the word as offensive and that's why I'm using it. What would be a good name in your opinion? I mean, we can't always avoid referencing this term. Todor→Bozhinov 18:47, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well first of all for the specific event mentioned in the article i don't have a strong opinion over how those people could be described, having no knowledge or access to sources about it. As a general note i believe there are two problems with the term being used in wikipedia: 1) it has a rather vague meaning (at least outside the ethnic perspectives that introduced it). In fact if one reads the target article he might come to the conclusion that "Grecoman" is by definition linked with those POVs and expect to find it only where such a view is described.
 * 2) Even if i was wrong and it actually had an established narrow meaning in the English speaking world other then the above it should be sourced accordingly with third party sources. I for once don't expect to find many situations where independent sources make such distinctions/definitions in the ethnic soup of the late Ottoman period in Macedonia. Counting some notable exceptions (and common pejorative use) out, i imagine it being usefull mainly for having a "clean" narrative in national historical perspectives. It's a wider problem, defining ethnicity in general in that region, you have the language element, and the often rotating political/religious affiliations and self identifications.
 * "pro-Greek Slavophones" or "pro-Greek Vlachs" are rough examples of a more neutral description, but i believe you should quote unbiased sources even for those. But it's really a case by case situation here, say for instance that we have a neutral source defining a group in question as Bulgarian or Slav mercinaries/bandits in the Greek payroll (how many are those clean-cut cases really ?), what's wrong with mentioning just that ?
 * Lastly, regarding the offensiveness of the term, my request wasn't based primarily on this. As a personal note (of limited value) the sadest thing about it is that it still divides families with a Slavophone/Slavic background. Thanks again.--Zakronian (talk) 18:54, 6 February 2009 (UTC)