User talk:Toean besar


 * I have tagged the problematic section in article World War III as dubious. Its now up to you to go to the talk page there, and give your reasons for other eds to discuss. Not everyone has even heard of this historian, or why his view on this is fringe. Please do this. Cheers! Irondome (talk) 23:42, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The burden of proof is the other way round, Irondome. It should be clear that this research is broadly accepted before we include it in Wikipedia. Tagging this is not enough. It should be out, for now at least. Cheers, Toean besar (talk) 23:44, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It was accepted by a hugely Reliable UK newspaper as being mainstream. The DT does not normally muck about with crank theories. Therefore the burden of proof falls upon you Toean, to prove it otherwise. I suspect this issue is deep, so please can you give other editors an opportunity to expand their knowledge of a little-known aspect of the cold war by giving a brief argument based on what you know, and the background of this historian, and who considers him/her fringe. Your assertion, however good faith, is not enough here. Cheers! Irondome (talk) 23:55, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The Daily Telegraph article makes sure not to say we were on the brink off ww3, they inform their readers that it has been claimed - by this Liu Chenshan - that the USSR was planning a nuclear attack on the Chinese nuclear facilities. This is something totally different, Liu's claims have not been accepted as a likely historical reconstruction in the subsequent debate. If so, please show me, it's not, at least until now, I think. Toean besar (talk) 16:28, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok. So if the source does not accurately represent the info it is supposed to be citing, you are perfectly entitled to remove. But put in comments strip something like "source does not support this assertion" or something like that! Cheers. Good work in checking the source. Irondome (talk) 20:34, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Useless advice, Irondome, I already explained this with my second edit. Please, try to read carefully.. See? Toean besar (talk) 22:21, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You are fortunate I wasted 6 precious minutes bothing to actually assist. So dont be bloody rude. Watch your tone son. Irondome (talk) 22:25, 23 September 2013 (UTC)