User talk:Toheroa-jim

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Your contribution at Pothole
Hi Theroa-jim, thank you for your interest in the pothole article. I moved your recent contribution to the "Talk:Pothole" section of the Talk page, because the contribution of various forms of pavement distress to the formation of potholes was already addressed in the "Pothole" section with: "Potholes form progressively from fatigue of the road surface which can lead to a precursor failure pattern known as crocodile cracking" and your new text did not appear to describe further the contribution of such distresses to the formation of potholes. I did, however, add the reference that you provided after the sentence describing crocodile (alligator) cracking. I invite you to discuss the matter further at the Talk page, if you would like. Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 15:38, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Asphalt potholes
I am not at all sure whether this talk contribution ever appeared - it is all still a bit of a mystery to me! Anyway in case it did not get through here is what I said last night.

Forgive me if this is a very short response to my attempted start to extend your discussion of the origins of potholes in asphalt pavements but as a newcomer to Wikipedia I have spent the last few hours frustratingly trying to get to grip as to how it is possible to just ensure the reference appears in the separate section at the end of the contribution. In consequence it is now 1.40am here in France and I will have to leave what I hope will be an interesting and helpful discussion of the substantial issues at stake to another time.

But briefly I will hope to demonstrate that far more than is currently recognized an important cause of pavement cracking and failure relates to thermal loading. This is especially the case for the development of alligator cracking, and that possibly the greatest cause of potholes is the eventual break-up of these alligator cracks. You may be interested to look at:

Croll, James G A (2009) Possible role of thermal ratchetting in alligator cracking of asphalt pavements, December 2009, International Journal of Pavement Engineering 10(6):447-453. DOI · 10.1080/10298430902730547

Given the vital economic consequences of these pavement failures, not to mention their impact on safety, it is surprising to me that publications like this one challenging accepted wisdom have received virtually no discussion from the "Expert" pavement community. Toheroa-jim (talk) 19:55, 10 February 2018 (UTC) or do I put it in brackets? (Toheroa-jim (talk) 19:55, 10 February 2018 (UTC))
 * Hi Toheroa-jim. I appreciate that you are new to Wikipedia and I'm glad to see that you're interested in contributing your knowledge and expertise. A general discussion of asphalt concrete pavement stresses would greatly benefit the article, Asphalt concrete in its Degradation and restoration section. If you want to talk about distresses that lead to potholes, click on the link that I suppled, above (Talk:Pothole). As to the citation that you supplied,, I don't have a journal subscription that allows me to see past the abstract. That's the citation that I incorporated, per your suggestion at Pothole. Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 22:40, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

potholes
Sadly my little break has come to an end and I am going to have to wait until I have time to research all that needs to be known wrt using Wikipedia correctly. I have tried to provide a link to the full text of the paper I referred to but this seemingly breaks the wiki rules! If it is within the rules I could email a copy. My email address is j.croll(at)ucl.ac.uk If you drop me a message I could then send a few more papers that may be of interest.

I would like to continue our dialogue not just on potholes and alligator (aka crocodile) cracking but I think we share a number of other common interests. Promise I will return when time permits. Meanwhile thanks for your patience and help with the technical side of Wikipedia. Toheroa-jim (talk) 21:29, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I am not sure what you are referring to about breaking rules of Wikipedia. Look at WP:SELFCITE, which says, "Using material you have written or published is allowed within reason, but only if it is relevant, conforms to the content policies, including WP:SELFPUB, and is not excessive. Citations should be in the third person and should not place undue emphasis on your work. When in doubt, defer to the community's opinion: propose the edit on the article's talk page and allow others to review it." In my career, I have seen many papers annually on asphalt pavement distresses, including alligator cracking, so I'd be interested in a brief synopsis of what new insight your paper brings.
 * If you have a url link to the full text of your paper, it can certainly be included in the citation. Perhaps you could provide it, below. Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 00:57, 12 February 2018 (UTC)