User talk:Tol/Archives/2021/09

COVID-19 pandemic data
Hi. It is good to know that you are in the process of letting your bot update this template. It is not perfect, but it should be the best solution moving forward because it is becoming more tedious to do manual updates. Will there be some major changes to the current layout of the template? Also, will government sources remain in place? LSGH (talk) (contributions) 16:50, 1 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @LSGH: Thanks for asking. The primary reason that I have not yet created a replacement for Template:COVID-19 pandemic data is that the JSON data is updated by a bot (TolBot Task 5), which sources all data from Our World in Data (OWID), which does not include data on recoveries. Therefore, country recoveries data would need to be individually programmed into the bot. In the future, I plan to source as much data as possible directly from countries (eliminating the middleman of OWID and potentially JHU), but OWID is extremely easy to work with (and so will be the fallback). I will create an automatically updated version after I get most countries sourced directly (which will preserve references to government sources). Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 17:45, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Hopefully, this can convince other editors that manual updates are no longer necessary. Will TolBot be programmed to edit the template directly, or will data from a subpage be transcluded? LSGH (talk) (contributions) 03:43, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @LSGH: It's a bit complicated — it'll invoke Module:COVID-19 data, which creates table contents from parameters passed to it, and uses JSON data from Template:COVID-19 data/data. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 03:57, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I hope that automated updates can be implemented soon. In the meantime, are there other ways to convince other editors that updates do not need to be made "on time"? There is at least one other editor who keeps on updating several countries immediately after those countries release their daily figures, but most of the time, the difference between the numbers is insignificantly small. Also, several countries do not release their daily figures at the same time every day. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 03:10, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @LSGH: When I implement getting data directly from countries, it will update (probably) twice daily. There's nothing wrong with updating immediately — it's probably not an effective way of spending time, but if an editor wishes to do that, there's nothing we can do to prevent it. The numbers themselves aren't exactly immediate; often, they include tests or vaccinations from a few days ago that took a while to be reported. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 18:31, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If an editor is updating one or two countries immediately, then there is no problem. However, if he or she is updating several countries, then doing updates immediately is not practical. There are too many sources to look at and several countries do not update their numbers at the same time every day. Perhaps recoveries can be removed from the table because many countries do not report recoveries. Also, I am open to using OWID as the source for the entire template because several media organisations also use OWID as their source. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 03:26, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @LSGH: If recoveries were removed, I could make a replacement within a day. The main reason that it's taking so long is that OWID does not report recoveries and so I need to source them separately. Personally, I think that they aren't particularly necessary. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 18:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I will be glad to support that because it will make implementation easier. Some countries report only estimates while others have changed their way of counting recoveries at least once. However, we do not know yet if other editors will also agree. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 07:13, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I think that you can already proceed with the implementation even without including the recoveries and the different government sources. The reason for removing those can be easily understood because that is how OWID presents their data. Those can be added again in the future, but for now, we can do without those. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 15:53, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I created User:Phoenix7777/sandbox/COVID-19 pandemic data without recoveries. If you gain consensus, I can move it to Template:COVID-19 pandemic data along with Module:Sandbox/Phoenix7777/COVID-19 data.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 12:31, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Phoenix7777: Just so that you know, Module:COVID-19 data already lets you limit columns and countries. I made a version at Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/sandbox which uses the standard Module:COVID-19 data. Limiting things by passing parameters is usually preferable to hard-coding it. Tol (talk &#124; contribs) @ 18:33, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * As a follow-up, for efns/notes, they should preferably be added in the JSON (Template:COVID-19 data/data) so that it can be viewed across multiple templates. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 18:37, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I didn't notice the column parameter!! as I am a beginner of Lua. As for the footnotes, they should not be in the code, because it should be edited by editors. So I moved out of the module so that footnotes can be placed in the template page. I even hesitate to include  in the code. If someone wish to add a footnote to a country, we should change the Lua module.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 21:13, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Phoenix7777: A core point of the JSON-based tables is that they should not be edited by editors (other than style changes); only the JSON should be edited. Adding a note (in JSON) under the country (as ) will show up in the table as a footnote.  Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 21:51, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * What are you reffering to "JSON"? Template:COVID-19 data/data is machine generated. Is there a separate "JSON" file for notes for countries? By the way, Could you add "people_fully_vaccinated_per_hundred" to Template:COVID-19 data/data so that I can add "people_fully_vaccinated" and it to Template:COVID-19 vaccination data?.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 22:11, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Phoenix7777: I can add that (it'll probably be in the JSON as ), but I advise against changing the template. Template:COVID-19 vaccination data is special (and uses a custom function,  ). Instead of using multiple columns, it uses one column (including for sorting): people vaccinated, which falls back to total doses and then to people fully vaccinated.  Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 22:48, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Phoenix7777: It's machine updated, not generated. Using JSON enables the bot to update the data without overwriting anything added in by another user. This way, you can add notes in the JSON (which the bot will not touch). Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 22:50, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know general readers wish to see the fully vaccinated columns, but I personally wish to see them. I appreciate it if you add "people_fully_vaccinated_per_hundred" to Template:COVID-19 data/data. As for the footnotes, I understood the structure of the JSON file. My concern is whether ordinal editors can edit the JSON file or not. My current scheme is acceptable for editors because footnotes are in the template page, but still some part is in the code. 's opinion is appreciated.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 23:39, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The proposed replacement looks good, though I could not comment on the Lua or JSON codes that are being used. I think that generic footnotes would not be suitable because the footnotes should be unique for each situation where they are needed. For example, some countries include data for unrecognised states whose territories they claim, but generic footnotes cannot identify which unrecognised states are being referred to. Are the names of the countries and territories intended to be aligned to the left? LSGH (talk) (contributions) 17:23, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * To clarify, I'm fine with either (preferably) putting the notes in the JSON as done with  for Template:COVID-19 vaccination data or passing notes to the module via its invocation (with a parameter like  ). Notes absolutely should not be hardcoded into the module. Putting them in the JSON is more flexible, as it's there for any reusers and any other templates.  Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 17:28, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * That can be better. Only the necessary footnotes need to appear in each template where the JSON will be used. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 01:23, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Tol, As requested above, could you add "people_fully_vaccinated_per_hundred" to Template:COVID-19 data/data as ? User:Phoenix7777/sandbox/COVID-19 vaccination data is waiting for your change.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 03:46, 31 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @Phoenix7777: I'll patch that in. I'd like to reiterate, though, that Template:COVID-19 vaccination data will need consensus to change to a multiple-column format. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 17:46, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Done and manually run, you should have  now.  Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 17:51, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you!! I fixed my sandbox. Yes I will obtain consensus before changing the main space.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 20:35, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Phoenix7777: No problem; you're welcome! Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 20:44, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Question from Snancow Smith on Drone Racing League (09:49, 29 August 2021)
Hello How to get free data --Snancow Smith (talk) 09:49, 29 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @Snancow Smith: I don't think you're in the right place. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a repository of free data. If you would like to contribute to the encyclopedia, you can read Help:Introduction. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 16:07, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Question from Snancow Smith on Help:Maintenance template removal (12:47, 3 September 2021)
How to get full information about bitcoin --Snancow Smith (talk) 12:47, 3 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Snancow Smith: Hello again. Wikipedia has an article about Bitcoin (click on the link to read it). Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 16:45, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Message from 2003:d5:5f2f:9ef6:91c7:fc3a:c51d:5d49
Hallo, danke für den ausführlichen Artikel! Das einzige, was mich störte, ist, dass "indianisch' immer fälschlich mit" indisch " übersetzt wurde. Könnte das wohl geändert werden? Im voraus schon mal ein Danke :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:d5:5f2f:9ef6:91c7:fc3a:c51d:5d49 (talk) 19:30, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Translation/Übersetzung: Hello, thanks for the comprehensive article! The single thing, that bothered me, is, that "indianisch" was always erroneously translated as "indisch". Could that possibly be changed? In advance thank you :) Translated by: Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 21:29, 4 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @2003:d5:5f2f:9ef6:91c7:fc3a:c51d:5d49: Hello! I don't know which article you are referring to; could you please tell me which article it is? Also, this is the English Wikipedia. An article written in German is probably on the German Wikipedia, a different project. Thank you!  Hallo! Ich weiß nicht, auf welchen Artikel Sie sich beziehen; Kannst du mir bitte sagen um welchen Artikel es sich handelt? Dies ist auch die englische Wikipedia. Ein auf Deutsch verfasster Artikel befindet sich wahrscheinlich in der Deutschen Wikipedia, einem anderen Projekt. Dankeschön!   Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 21:29, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

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Question from Daniel J Erasmus (10:28, 7 September 2021)
Hi Tol, I'd like to replace a photo of a coat of arms with a photo of the actual person named, but wiki stops me doing it. Can you please guide me through the process? --Daniel J Erasmus (talk) 10:28, 7 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Daniel J Erasmus: Sure! Could you please tell me which page you are trying to edit, the image you wish to add, and the exact error message it gives? Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 17:19, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated
Hi, I'm Curbon7. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Dillinger and Capone, and have marked it as unreviewed. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

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Curbon7 (talk) 04:43, 11 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Curbon7: No problem! I'm new to new page patrol, and wasn't entirely sure what to do with that page. Is draftifying the preferred option for pages like those? Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 18:36, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh I didn't even know you got this message. If I remember correctly, the page that you reviewed was kinda borderline, but the main issue was the same creator also created like 3 or 4 versions of the exact same page; draftifying was needed in order to have some idea of control with 4 versions floating around in mainspace. Curbon7 (talk) 19:32, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Curbon7: Ahh, that makes sense. Thank you! Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 19:33, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm confused by all of these Dillinger And Capone redirect pages, Tol, some of which you tagged for deletion (which I did) and then you later recreated them. Are there multiple drafts/articles? Liz Read! Talk! 04:09, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Liz: There were multiple (I think 6) drafts/articles. I believe all of them were draftified (one or two by me) as none of them were ready for mainspace. I merged all content into the oldest draft, but the creator of them is still creating more, such as at Dillinger And Capone (currently at AfD). Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 17:45, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Checking In: InMoment Page
Hi Tol. My name is Ian, I submitted a Wikipedia draft for the company InMoment (my email is icoppock@gmail.com, the account under which I'm creating the page bears the username 1nM4W0). The page was submitted on July 2nd but rejected for not meeting certain content guidelines. I have edited the page and believe it is now compliant. I wanted to check in with you to see if someone could take a look at the page, submit any additional feedback, and (hopefully) publish it to Wikipedia proper. Thank you! Ian 1nM4W0 (talk) 16:41, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello Ian! I believe you are referring to Draft:InMoment. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and its articles should be written in an encyclopedic tone. The paragraph beginning with "Type: Private" is not written in complete sentences, and would be better suited for an infobox. I've done some formatting and cleanup for you. You need more references to reliable sources, and references to web content should include a URL. Like my decline reason said, you should show that the company passes our notability guideline for organisations and companies. You should also work on tone — among other phrases and clauses, "Recognizing the opportunity to evolve to the next level" is nothing but promotional. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 18:14, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Tol, thank you for getting back to me so quickly. I appreciate you putting that information in an Infobox, that's what I was attempting to accomplish with formatting. I've removed the promotional language you mentioned, such as the whole "next level" bit in reference to our CEO. I guess my next question is why some or all of my sources aren't considered appropriate? I've checked my company's competitor Wikipedia pages and, at least in my opinion, a lot of them are very similar to what I currently have listed as references. I'll check the guidelines for whether my company is reputable enough to be on Wikipedia, but considering that we had a Wiki page for many years until a disgruntled employee's implemented edits forced its takedown, I believe we're qualified to have a page back once again. I also believe that our numerous awards, accolades, and leadership rankings speak for our notability too. Let me know if there's anything else I need to consider before I re-submit for approval. Thanks again for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1nM4W0 (talk • contribs) 20:00, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Ian, no problem! As for notability, awards generally do not show something to be notable. You can read Notability (organizations and companies) for more information. I recommend trying to get the best one or two references for each statement. Good references should demonstrate significant coverage (an article about the company is much better than one that mentions it in passing) in reliable sources (The Wall Street Journal is far better than a blog). For me to evaluate whether the company is notable, could you list what you think are the best references that demonstrate notability? (Articles about the company in major news sources are probably best.) As for all references, please include a URL if available. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 21:11, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Here is an example of a link I believe fits the bill you're putting forth: https://salestechstar.com/sales-engagement/inmoments-xi-technology-platform-named-2020-innovation-award-winner-for-experience-improvement/ I do see a source or two that I'm happy to remove because they do indeed only mention us in passing, but to me the rest of these seem to be suitable based on what I've read and what you're telling me. I'm also seeing similar sources on our competitors' Wikipedia pages. Not all of our sources are as high-profile as the Wall Street Journal, but they're credible sources of information within our niche industry. If the rule is that we cannot rely on an industry-specific publication as a source, only sources that are completely independent of the subject matter, that seems like an extremely high litmus test. Would you like me to formally re-submit the article? Would that allow you to review my sources more closely? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1nM4W0 (talk • contribs) 21:40, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @1nM4W0: I don't know if the company is notable, but I think it could be. Again, I recommend adding URLs to citations when possible; this will help the reviewer find the sources you are citing. I think it has a good chance if you submitted it again, though I probably won't review it myself because I've worked with you on it. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 18:59, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Alrighty, thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1nM4W0 (talk • contribs) 16:25, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Adding hatnotes to new disambiguation pages
Hey. First of all, I just to want to say I appreciate your work in reviewing new disambiguation pages I create so quickly. I do have one gripe, however; I've noticed you're updating hatnotes sometimes mere seconds later (it's happened twice in the last 12 hours – first with this one and about 10 minutes ago with this one). Please note in future that when I create disambiguation pages, I do intend on adding hatnotes to the top of the related primary topic's page immediately after. I know you're probably trying to help, but it's just a little annoying to have my edits interrupted by conflicting ones. Sean Stephens (talk) 02:04, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Sean Stephens: My apologies! I'll try to keep that in mind. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 02:06, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Question from Alexjohnson216 on Article wizard/CreateDraft (03:05, 16 September 2021)
How to make a article? --Alexjohnson216 (talk) 03:05, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Alexjohnson216: I would recommend using the article wizard, which you have already found. It will guide you through the steps of creating a draft, and after saving it, you can submit it for review using the button in the banner at the top of the draft. If it meets our policies, including notability, neutral point of view, and verifiability, then it will be published. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 18:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

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Question from Darkdeath-2 on Text of Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License (12:37, 18 September 2021)
Hello how end where can I cet all the license that i need needed

And how do I download/save them under my name --Darkdeath-2 (talk) 12:37, 18 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Darkdeath-2: Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! I'm not sure what you want to do. You don't need to do anything with the license — you should read it and understand how you are licensing your edits. Could you please explain what you want to do? Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 21:16, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I read on a web site hat if I want to post a piece of my work that I need to post it under a license and I can get it at the softwere/platform and that I sould make a coppy of the licenase and the plain text of the license ]] Darkdeath-2 (talk) 03:57, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Darkdeath-2: You don't need to do anything to post something. Copyright law is complicated, but it basically works like this: Anything you create (such as what you write) is automatically copyrighted, meaning that other people usually can't reuse it. However, you can loosen the copyright by giving permission to people to reuse it. The license Wikipedia uses gives permission to anyone to reuse Wikipedia (with some restrictions). By editing Wikipedia, you agree to license your edit under the same license. Again, you don't need to do anything to license your work — by posting here, you already have. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 17:17, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Questions from Darkdeath-2 on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Participants/Old Requests (17:58–17:59, 18 September 2021)
My name is not in the list but I cant edit the page to request to be apart of it --Darkdeath-2 (talk) 17:58, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

My name is not in the AFCH but I cant edit the page to request to be apart of it --Darkdeath-2 (talk) 17:59, 18 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but you are not experienced enough to review Articles for Creation submissions. You can see the minimum requirements at WikiProject Articles for creation/Participants. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 21:20, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-automated article creation
Just a side issue on your article creation tool. I haven't seen it in action, but could you make sure it adds a suitable short description per WP:SDCONTENT to each new article? My bot ShortDescBot has completed its run adding short descriptions to organism articles that were missing them. All such existing articles should already have a SD now, and it would be good if new articles could as well. Regards, MichaelMaggs (talk) 17:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @MichaelMaggs: It currently adds a short description "Species of generic common name", the same as the lead sentence. You can take a look at Phormidium aerugineo-caeruleum ("Species of cyanobacteria"). Does this look good to you? Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 18:12, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, perfect. Generic common name would normally be singular for species, of course, but for some reason everybody does seem to say "species of bacteria" as you propose, not "species of bacterium". MichaelMaggs (talk) 20:20, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @MichaelMaggs: I thought both would be acceptable, but I suppose you are correct. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 20:32, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It's usually singular for species, plural for genus and higher: "Species of moth" vs "Genus of moths". MichaelMaggs (talk) 20:44, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @MichaelMaggs: Ahh, that makes sense. I'll follow that from now on! Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 20:49, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Question from Azariel Official (10:50, 21 September 2021)
How to create a page? --Azariel Official (talk) 10:50, 21 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Azariel Official: Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! You can create a draft article by following the article wizard. You should also note that our username policy disallows usernames that are promotional or imply shared use. Your username may be perceived as one of these because it contains "official". If you would like to change your username, you can request for it to be changed at Special:GlobalRenameRequest. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 18:48, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Southlake as a Verb
Hello, I am trying to add this and it keeps getting removed.

On 9/20/2021, Southlake has been defined as a Verb. If a city exhibits racist behavior, the residents use the phrase "Don't Southlake my city". https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/parents-and-students-support-embattled-principal-after-contract-not-renewed-by-district/287-6abe7588-50ff-41ae-99da-c4c00365bee3?fbclid=IwAR1TLnz6Qv63KeyXzHF8HVRIXLxs5BseveATEtNPoY1S0BOYjripyS-XREo

I am not sure how to add this as citation?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Southlakeresident (talk • contribs) 19:15, 21 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Southlakeresident: Articles must follow neutral point of view. Your edits to Southlake, Texas did not provide any context for this phrase, and put it in the lead, giving it undue weight. A news article does not belong in external links. Also, the phrase is (if anything) colloquial. Your edit summary here says it has been "officially defined" — by whom? Please see Help:Footnotes for help with formatting references. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 19:24, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

SCC Page
Hi Tol – It looks like you removed some updates to the St. Charles Community College page because they were not neutral. I am an employee trying to update the college's page. What about the updates were not neutral?

Stchasmac (talk) 18:21, 22 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Stchasmac: Things like "strong transfer program that provides a seamless pathway" and "With 45+ clubs and organizations at SCC, it's easy to find something that interests you." If you are an employee, please read and follow Conflict of interest. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 18:27, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Tol, I removed those phrases in my recent update. Thanks for catching that! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stchasmac (talk • contribs) 18:32, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Stchasmac: Thank you; your recent edit to St. Charles Community College is much better. I would still advise against using phrases such as "many majors, degrees and certificates" ("many" is subjective — how many?) and "features". "Storybook walk presented by St. Charles City-County Library and the SCC Foundation" should have more context — what is a "storybook walk"? Other than that, your edits look good to me. Thank you! Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 19:06, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Baltimore Community Foundation page
I edited the Baltimore Community Foundation entry using all public information from the foundation's website in third person and received a message that it was not objectively written. Please tell me what needs to change to have the page accurately reflect the Baltimore Community Foundation's activities, which were NOT accurate on the previous version. Kate BCFCommunications (talk) 15:44, 23 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @BCFCommunications: Your edits consisted primarily of promotional content. Your first edit has many problems: nearly all of the text added is promotional, and nearly all of your references are from BCF's website. Wikipedia prefers independent and reliable secondary sources instead of primary sources. Your username suggests that you are affiliated with BCF — if you are, please also read our conflict of interest guideline. If you edit the page directly, please make sure to be as objective and neutral as possible. You may also want to read out username policy, particularly the sections on promotional names and names implying shared use. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 15:55, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Question from Darkdeath-2 on User talk:Darkdeath-2 (17:10, 23 September 2021)
Im I alowed to post someting in afrikaans then translate it to English --Darkdeath-2 (talk) 17:10, 23 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Darkdeath-2: Translations are welcome; just make sure you post it as a draft (with a namespace prefix of ). When it's translated, you can submit it to Articles for Creation or publish it.  Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 17:28, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Edit to John Brown Gordon article
Hi,

In choosing to revert my recent edit of the article on John Brown Gordon, I am puzzled by your reasoning. Since my edit was to simplify/clarify language, I am not certain what sort of citation or reference you would like to see. Are you looking for a dictionary citation to "prove" word meaning?

And since the main point of my edit was to remove ambiguous/confusing language, how exactly would you propose that I document that with historical sources? I would appreciate if you could give me a little more to go on. Thanks.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.60.32.252 (talk) 22:34, 23 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello! This was my mistake; to me it looked like you were editing the direct quote. My apologies! I've self-reverted and cleaned up the wikitext so it's clear where the quote ends. Thanks for letting me know! Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 22:40, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Template:COVID-19 pandemic death rates
Tol. After seeing what you did with Template:COVID-19 vaccination data and meta:User:TolBot/Task 5 I was wondering if you would be interested in creating a bot to handle the daily updating of this template:
 * Template:COVID-19 pandemic death rates

Is the Task 5 bot completely automatic now? Do you have to initiate the daily update? Or does it happen on its own now?

I help edit Help:Table. Maybe you could write up a section with some short instructions on how to use a bot to do regular updates of a table. The broad strokes of how it works, and who to contact to create the bots. --Timeshifter (talk) 16:31, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Template:COVID-19 pandemic death rates by country The editors just copy the table from this source: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality I don't think the case fatality rate column is necessary. It is often a bogus number anyway that depends on how much testing and observation is going on. In fact I see little need for the confirmed cases column for the same reason. The editors of those 2 templates would probably be happy with whatever you come up with. Since there would no longer be a need to edit those templates every day. I have no idea how you do the bots. I am not a coder, except wikitext and some CSS for it. I figured out how to do some basic filtering of a WHO CSV file recently. See Help:Table See COVID-19 pandemic by country and territory. I regularly upload new versions of some of the WHO and OWID maps and graphs to the Commons. So I know there are links to CSV files, etc.. And you found JSON files. For example see the source tabs on the map sources for the OWID Covid maps in this category: commons: Category:World maps of COVID-19 death rates per population --Timeshifter (talk) 17:08, 23 September 2021 (UTC) File:World map of total confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people by country.png I used "Global replace" from the "more" menu. I replaced it with this in article pages: File:World map of total confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people by country.svg - Also, I replaced this file: File:World map of daily new confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people by country.png with this one: File:Daily new confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people.svg --Timeshifter (talk) 00:51, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Timeshifter: Hello! TolBot Task 5 is entirely automatic, and runs every day at 14:00 server time via crontab. Case fatality rate could be calculated by deaths/cases, and I can add deaths per million, which deaths per hundred thousand can be calculated from. In the future, I think it would be better to store data like this on Wikidata, which is better suited to it, so I don't plan to implement another data updating task like this (with JSON data stored on Wikipedia). I'll work on implementing automatic updates for that template! Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 16:47, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I forgot to mention that there is an expanded table (same data) also:
 * @Timeshifter: Well, I just added deaths per million. As for those maps, I might be able to make them bot-updated (and SVG instead of PNG). I'll post on the talk pages about implementing automatic updates. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 17:22, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! The PNG map files in question were originally chosen over the SVG files because there was a problem with the logo overlapping some of the map caption text. That is no longer true. But now the PNG files are in many articles worldwide. Is there a bot that can replace all the PNG files in articles with the SVG versions? --Timeshifter (talk) 21:17, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Timeshifter: I don't know of one. There is c:User:Perhelion/justReplace.js, which is a user script that could do what you're looking for. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 22:08, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I have no idea how to use that. Are there instructions on how to use it? Or user scripts in general? --Timeshifter (talk) 22:14, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Timeshifter: You add can  on its own line to your common.js. Then, when you go to a file (if you use the Vector skin) you can click on the "more" dropdown next to the search bar and select it.  Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 22:17, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I used it with this file:
 * @Timeshifter: No problem! The latter file has no more usage, while the former appears to still be used. It would probably be best to migrate all maps from OWID to SVG format and then to send all remaining raster images to deletion requests. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 01:01, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

The png and svg files were discussed in various places worldwide, and so I don't want to delete them, and mess up the discussions. Also, the OWID logo is covering the end of the last word when viewing the thumbnail of some of the OWID maps. See the map thumbs here, and in the following section: Fortunately, when the latest svg maps are clicked and expanded the problem disappears. It was much worse before when OWID added the date at the end of the caption. Even the expanded map showed the OWID logo covering most of the date. So I want to keep the png files for insurance in case the problem comes up again.
 * COVID-19 pandemic by country and territory

Is there a way to replace the png files in articles that are protected? I think that is the problem with the remaining article inclusions of this png map: --Timeshifter (talk) 09:34, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * commons:File:World map of total confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people by country.png


 * @Timeshifter: I think the thumbnails have been fixed. As for protected articles, it may be difficult — I don't know how edit requests work on other wikis. For SVG problems, I could manually edit them if something's wrong. I think much of it is because Wikimedia doesn't have too many fonts installed for SVGs to use, so many fall back to another font. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 15:34, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Is there a Phabricator task about the SVG font problem? Here is the main problematic thumbnail below from COVID-19 pandemic by country and territory. Note the OWID logo covering the last 2 letters in "people". Click on the image and note that the spacing changes. The logo no longer covers "people".

Maybe you can contact OWID and make some suggestions on how to make their SVG maps compatible with Wikipedia. Their site says they read all communications sent to them. --Timeshifter (talk) 15:51, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

--Timeshifter (talk) 15:51, 24 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Timeshifter: At least for me, the thumbnail looks fine; there's a good space between "people" and the logo. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 16:33, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It changes for me as I adjust various display settings, or use different browsers. After my latest changes it is no longer a problem in Firefox. But it is a problem in Chrome and Edge. I have a high resolution monitor (2560x1440) and getting font sizes correct for me in browser pages, desktop icon labels, browser menus, Windows 10 setting pages, file explorer, etc. is difficult. The overlap problem is only a minor problem though. It goes away when the image is clicked and expanded in Chrome and Edge. --Timeshifter (talk) 20:13, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Timeshifter: That's interesting. Hopefully it doesn't cause any problems. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 20:31, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

About undoing a little phrase on Tupolev Tu-144
Hi, Tol prices in the Soviet Union were fixed for every flight route and basically were the same whatever type of aircraft was used and it's quite a common knowledge. About accessibility: if you look at the numbers of passengers that year it would be evident the services were accessible. As about economic costs: isn't it quite evident? By the way the Concorde operations were heavily subsidized all the way through. Moreover, I know for the fact that some of those TU144 were heavily used by the military well into the 80s including passenger flights. Respectfully yours, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.179.78.132 (talk) 18:16, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello! If you believe it should stay, then I will let it stay. Still, statements should be reliably sourced; I do not have enough subject-area knowledge to suggest improvements or sources. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 18:26, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank for your comment. I think it better to stay as it gives some other angle on the matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.179.78.132 (talk) 12:33, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Question from Asher213 (02:29, 24 September 2021)
My wikipedia page is still a draft, how would I fully upload this? --Asher213 (talk) 02:29, 24 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Asher213: You can submit a draft for review by adding  to the top of it. However, your draft Draft:Bonfire Software is not ready to be submitted. It does not demonstrate notability for a company, and is not verifiable — it has only one reference to a primary source, and no references to secondary sources. It also appears that you may have a conflict of interest: if you are related to the company, you must disclose the conflict of interest by following Conflict of interest.  Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 14:58, 24 September 2021 (UTC)