User talk:Tol/Archives/2022/02

Another big move job for TolBot (13A)
If you're up for it, I have another 5425 files to be moved per the closed RM discussion at Talk:1912 World Hard Court Championships – Mixed Doubles. The list is linked there. Can you put in a bot approval request based on that? And maybe you can give me some tips on best ways to use AWB for the cleanup edits for the districts and these. I'm a relative novice at regular expressions, and end up spending too much time with manual checking to avoid errors that I have a hard time coding for (like in File: names among other things). Dicklyon (talk) 00:09, 19 January 2022 (UTC)


 * @Dicklyon: Yes, I can handle this. I'll put in a request right after I handle this batch; the trial's just been approved, so I'll run the trial today. I'm no regex whiz, but the nice thing about AWB is that it's -automatic — you can see the edit before you save it and check that it's correct. In general, for regexes, I try to use words to figure out what I want to search for, and then translate it into a regex. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 05:58, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I've been getting experience with regexes in JWB, so I'll handle that part. It will take a while... Many thanks. Dicklyon (talk) 06:12, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * @Dicklyon: I've filed the BRFA for the tennis moves at Bots/Requests for approval/TolBot 13A. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 21:15, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I notified WT:WikiProject Tennis. Dicklyon (talk) 03:09, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * @Dicklyon: No problem! It was just approved for a trial, so I'll run that when I have time. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 03:11, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

TolBot 13
Why is ProcrastinatingReader the approver, and why so slow? Are there others we can ask to help move these forward? Dicklyon (talk) 02:57, 22 January 2022 (UTC)


 * @Dicklyon: Bot approval is not a particularly quick process. Any BAG member can approve the bot; ProcrastinatingReader just happened to be the one who approved it for a trial. I'm thinking of making an OAuth tool for mass edits that runs on people's accounts, so that it doesn't have to go through a bot. It'd be a web-app similar to AWB. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 03:43, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, got the approval. Let me know when your bot is done with the moves and I'll do the cleanup.  Should we put in for approval of the tennis moves now? Dicklyon (talk) 17:10, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Alright, @Dicklyon. I'm a bit busy today and tomorrow, so I'll probably run the bot on Tuesday. I'll file the request for approval for the tennis moves then, too. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 20:02, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * the moves via TolBot. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 04:30, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * . Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 14:22, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and I got the cleanup edits all done on those. Except it looked like your move count (over 7300) was higher than the number of files listed (including 2X for talk pages), so I don't know what's off.  Are the rest accountable by round robins and such?  Not sure if I missed some; worked from the approved lists. Dicklyon (talk) 22:55, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * @Dicklyon: No problem! I'm guessing that's from the round robins; there were rather many. Thanks for the cleanup! Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 23:07, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, declaring success and pulling out. Did you put in for approval of the next big batch yet? Dicklyon (talk) 02:27, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I did; I let you know above that the request is at Bots/Requests for approval/TolBot 13A. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 02:29, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Missed that somehow.  Looks good.  In the future, if I do more like this, I can generate json like that directly (not that I know anything about json, but I can mock a format). Dicklyon (talk) 02:31, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * No problem! It takes me very little time to use a regex to format the list of moves (in pretty much any format), so just post the list in whichever format is easiest! Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 02:33, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Stumbled across this. Bot approval is indeed not a fast process, but there can be generalised bot approvals for these kinds of tasks (see the bots with general authorisations to implement TfD decisions). If you end up doing this stuff frequently, general approval to implement mass-RMs is probably something to look into. I imagine it's not much of a problem as long as the operator demonstrates the ability to know when the appropriate level of consensus has been met (as well as possessing technical ability). Would suggest around five individual mass-RM-move bot tasks first though. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 20:53, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Not sure if you're just taking a break but the tennis mass-move has stopped at about 85% completion. Just checking that this isn't unintentional, as the templates can't really be updated till the job is 100% complete. Sod25 (talk) 03:25, 30 January 2022 (UTC)


 * @Sod25: Yep; everything's fine. I was running it (I occasionally check on it as it runs), and saw that it had thrown an error that the database was in read-only mode (code, waiting for 7 lagged databases). I decided to give it a break and let the databases catch up. I'll start it up again now, though.  Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 03:27, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I see the job is now all finished. Thanks for your help with this! Sod25 (talk) 04:14, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * No problem! Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 04:39, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

TolBot 13A
It's not 'singles', it's Singles. Are you out of your mind?? What are you doing ?? Redo the all page what you edit recently. খাঁটি বাঙালি (talk) 05:25, 30 January 2022 (UTC) Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 05:27, 30 January 2022 (UTC)


 * @খাঁটি বাঙালি: This was done by my bot. Like its talk page says, messages should be left on my talk page or on its talk page on Meta. As such, I've moved this here. The bot's edit summary linked to its task page, where you could have found its request for approval, and also linked to the requested move (permalink) which gained consensus to move these titles. Reverting these moves would require gaining consensus to overturn the aforementioned requested move. As such, Sodtwentyfive has reverted your reverts of my bot. Finally, please remember to be civil in discussions. Thanks, Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 05:31, 30 January 2022 (UTC)  Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 05:32, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * @Tol, Thanks. But I didn't know who did this, I saw your name, then I thought you did this, so I told you about this. If I hurt you then very sorry, Thanks. খাঁটি বাঙালি — Preceding undated comment added 05:37, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It's fine, @খাঁটি বাঙালি. Next time, please follow the soft redirect; that's all! Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 05:45, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Question from Wackyjackamo (14:36, 31 January 2022)
can I write about anything? --Wackyjackamo (talk) 14:36, 31 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Wackyjackamo! The answer to your question isn't that easy, but the short answer is "no". Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, so you can write about notable topics in articles. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, a forum, nor a web host, so please don't use it as such. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 23:12, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Sumer
Hello, I have proposed the update of the entry on Sumer, by re-phrasing the whole first paragraph of the subsection "Fall and transformation". First, I have added more relevant source for the soil salinity issue and added the sentence about the shift of Euphrates bed as a possible reason for the abandonment of most Sumerian cities. Hope it sounds OK in this version. 79.184.103.189 (talk) 22:51, 31 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I've responded on Talk:Sumer (permalink). Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 19:03, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Question from Glen98 on About (13:42, 1 February 2022)
👋🤗 Hello I like to just say it very clear about this one at once but I want to just think 💬 it's the 😍 usual easy-going and laid-back tasks. --Glen98 (talk) 13:42, 1 February 2022 (UTC)


 * @Glen98, I'm not sure what you mean. Could you please clarify what you're asking? Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 18:35, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Can TolBot do JWB-style cleanup edits?
See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tennis. I've got a pretty reliable set of replaces now for the tennis articles. Still under review, but good as far as I can see so far (maybe not complete, but few or no false positives in the downcasings). There are nearly 17,000 relevant articles, not just the ones moved by Task 13A. Dicklyon (talk) 04:44, 2 February 2022 (UTC)


 * @Dicklyon: Hmm; I'll look into this. It's not as straightforward as just moving a list of pages, but I think much of it could potentially be automated. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 04:38, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I could go back and ask on the AWB tasks page... Dicklyon (talk) 04:40, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I think using AWB for cleanup is probably a better idea for now, especially because regexes don't consider context. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 00:01, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I got a bot guy who can do it with JWB. Probably he just disables needing to hit "Save" in the JWB script.  See Bots/Requests for approval/DoggoBot 5. Dicklyon (talk) 06:00, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Alright; sounds good! Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 15:41, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Request on 14:50:17, 10 February 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Thatnsukkaboy
Hi Tol, thank you for taking your time to review my draft. First, i'll like to find out if it's the notability of the person or the verifiability of the article that is the issue, because you seem to mention all three. Secondly, I would appreciate your help in pointing out what makes this article look like an advert or what makes its tone not to be neutral. I took out time to proofread over and over, i also used several software to check the neutrality of the article before putting out the draft, i would appreciate any help as it would make me be a better writer.

Thatnsukkaboy (talk) 14:50, 10 February 2022 (UTC)


 * @Thatnsukkaboy: I think that there's a good chance that Oduala Rinu is notable, and I don't think that notability is your main concern. I think you should be focusing on improving the neutrality of the article. Some examples of problematic non-neutral phrases are: There are also problematic quotes: for example, the ones at the top and bottom of § Campaigns ("At 22, Oduala … walks the walk" and "What I will not … the first place") are unsourced (all quotes need references), and there are too many quotes from her (she's a primary source). In addition, the grammar needs improvement. I hope this gives you an idea of what needs improvement. If you have any further questions, please let me know!  Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 19:12, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

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Nomination for deletion of Template:COVID-19 pandemic death rates/styles.css
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Request for Mentorship
Hello Tol,

I found you in the list from the Growth Team features/Mentor list which I went through completely and chosen you mostly by your tech affinity. I'm specialized in IT topics and work in favor of civil rights and privacy as you can see as part of my self-introduction on my user page. Now I'm looking for a mentor to have a starting point here in the community. ARoseWolf is sadly not technical and thus I would flood her with IT topics.

Are you available for mentorship? Are you by chance available on IRC?

Greets GavriilaDmitriev (talk) 10:07, 14 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, @GavriilaDmitriev! It looks like you've already requested Chlod to be your mentor here (permalink), so I can't also claim you as a mentee, but I'm definitely available if you have any questions! I'm not on IRC much, but if you have a time in mind, we could schedule a talk on IRC. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 16:02, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply! What is your username on IRC? I am usually idling there. I will send you a pm GavriilaDmitriev (talk) 21:54, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * @GavriilaDmitriev: My username is, but I don't usually idle on IRC. You can send me an email if you'd like to contact me privately, or we can schedule a time to talk on IRC.  Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 18:14, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

About a proxying warning
About the proxying warning here, myself (not an admin), I would leave that issue alone for now. I urge you not to look at the article and talk history for Katherine Delmar Burke School. It is a lengthy, mind-numbing morass of IP ineptitude, unbridled enthusiasm, and repeated blind, head-long rushes into Wikipedia editing culture. To sum up: Finally registering as 'Factsforsure44' is a good step: Part of the problem was that they thought they could fundamentally rewrite the whole school article. Edits on the article and especially on the talk page (the last version before protection being here; and I told you not to look), demonstrates they were trying to use it as an erasable white-board for notes, drafts and discussion about the article. I don't expect their good faith efforts will result in any of the changes they wish, but that personal sandbox is a good place for them to work things out for the time being, as they go through the Wikipedia university of hard knocks.
 * The multiple IPs (the same person) caused a lot of tumult, though not maliciously
 * There was no intent to obscure or deny they were the same editor, or to evade blocks
 * The editor simply didn't want to register an account, and the IP switched around for whatever reason
 * They've always edited in good faith, though it was extremely disruptive
 * It could be looked upon as a fresh start
 * It makes it easier for the rest of the community to address them. During the fracas, I left messages on different IP talk pages, with advice, not warnings, and all were responded to in good faith (if not heeded)
 * They are pouring their efforts into a sandbox, which is a perfect place to contain them

That the multiple IPs are now editing under one registered account is to be seen as a blessing. Sincerely,  signed, Willondon (talk)  21:11, 14 February 2022 (UTC)


 * @Willondon: Indeed, the more I look at it, the more like a mess it looks. It looks like there's even more going on now, and I think I'll heed your advice to stay out of it. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 18:15, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Question from NTDEV on One World Trust (15:19, 15 February 2022)
hi! --NTDEV (talk) 15:19, 15 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, @NTDEV! Do you have any questions? Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 17:57, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:AFC Helper News
Hello! I wanted to drop a quick note for all of our AFC participants; nothing huge and fancy like a newsletter, but a few points of interest. Short and sweet, but there's always more to discuss at WT:AFC. Stop on by, maybe review a draft on the way? Whether you're one of our top reviewers, or haven't reviewed in a while, I want to thank you for helping out in the past and in the future. Cheers, Primefac, via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:00, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * AFCH will now show live previews of the comment to be left on a decline.
 * The template db-afc-move has been created - this template is similar to db-move when there is a redirect in the way of an acceptance, but specifically tells the patrolling admin to let you (the draft reviewer) take care of the actual move.

Copyright violation - how to police?
I saw your edits to Draft:Songkran Phrapradaeng and removal of translated copyright stuff. No question - this was the right thing to do. How may I follow suit? How do we detect that some piece is a machine translation of a copyrighted work? Chumpih t 20:36, 18 February 2022 (UTC)


 * @Chumpih: I assume you know about Earwig's copyvio detector, but am mentioning it anyway just in case; it works well for most copyvios but won't detect translations. In this case, I didn't notice the copyvio myself — I noticed the Template:Copypaste tag at the top, and investigated. I just opened the URLs listed in that template, and copied their content into Google Translate. Then, I put the Google Translate window and the Wikipedia window side by side, and scanned the Wikipedia draft for wording which was suspiciously similar to the Google Translate results. I don't know of any tool which automates checking for translation copyvios; I just do it manually with Google Translate. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 00:20, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * All this is new to me. Thank you for the education.  I'll use these techniques when evaluating AFC.   Chumpih  t 09:42, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * No problem, @Chumpih! Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 19:20, 19 February 2022 (UTC)