User talk:Tolerance44

Scratchpads
Hello--I'm not sure if this will help you, but it's useful for me, so I thought I'd suggest it. I have several "scratchpads" (other people sometimes call them "sandboxes"). These are in my private user area, so I'm (mostly) free to do what I want there. I can use those areas to practice composing, to make notes to myself, and so forth. If I want to make possibly-controversial edits to an article, I can (in addition to talking about it on the article's talk page) set them up on a scratchpad, and ask others to come look and give me an opinion.

Anyway, that's just a suggestion. You can see how I've got it set up at my user page. C RETOG 8(t/c) 18:56, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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Dialog
Hello--I appreciate your warm feedback to my feedback. But I strongly recommend you extend the same courtesy to KieferFL. Firstly, it's a matter of Wikipedia policy. Your responses to KieferFL have extended beyond not assuming good faith and have become uncivil, making accusations of creating an account explicitly to cause you trouble. You should consider basic courtesy in your comments, just as you should have thought twice before accusing me and others of vandalism earlier.

Second, being new to Wikipedia and limiting your editing to a few articles you probably don't have a feel yet for the editing culture. Based on my ~5 months as an active editor, KieferFL's comments have been quite within the norm. I'm sorry they've rubbed you the wrong way, but I read them as an honest attempt to be helpful, even if some of the tone is abrasive. Editors often disagree with each other, and so the tone can be abrasive. In this case, because your original edits were so far-out from the norm, it's not surprising that other editors become impatient, and some of that creeps into their tone even when they're trying to be helpful.

Third, echoing back to "free speech"--"free speech" is kinda off target in article text, as we've talked about, because articles need to be limited. Talk pages don't need to be limited, and so "free speech" pretty much does apply. Pretty much anything which is civil and targeted at improving the article is accepted. While you haven't deleted KieferFL's messages, asking that they stop posting is very discourteous in this light.

Finally, there's practical matters. You will need to interact with editors who disagree with you, quite probably including those who disagree far more strongly than KieferFL. You will need to find a way to work with most of these editors to achieve consensus on improving articles. If you don't do it on the talk page, then it will happen in edit wars by reverting edits to the article itself. Also, turning down any advice is rather foolish. I edit Wikipedia for fun, which means I'll try to stick to whatever's fun for me at the moment. I may drop off and not edit for a week, or simply decide that I'd rather focus on game theory articles rather than the Dialog article(s). So, I (or any other specific editor you like) may not continue to provide the advice you seek, and so you should find advice where you can.

It occurs to me that maybe you'd want to look into getting a mentor?

Anyway, that's probably all I'm going to say about the Dialog article today. Take care. C RETOG 8(t/c) 19:26, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello--I'm really not trying to stymie you on the Dialogue article. I'm hoping to motivate you to put together a good article, but you need to do so in a way that fits Wikipedia. C RETOG 8(t/c) 05:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I edited the Dialog article based on the discussions. Let me know if there is any pending issue, please.Tolerance44 (talk) 07:39, 9 October 2008 (UTC)