User talk:Tom Full

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Hello, Tom Full, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of your recent edits did not conform to Wikipedia's verifiability policy, and may have been removed. Wikipedia articles should refer only to facts and interpretations verified in reliable, reputable print or online sources or in other reliable media. Always provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed. Wikipedia also has a related policy against including original research in articles.

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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Again, welcome. Knitsey (talk) 17:14, 27 October 2023 (UTC)


 * A truly reliable reference is the song itself that I referenced. Your ears will not deceive you. Just a listen is required and you’ll see (hear) that this global mega hit took not just a little of inspiration from Joe Jackson’s song.
 * So how does this work! Do I need to add a reference link to the songs at Spotify for comparisons?
 * Here below is a new wording of my contribution. Would that meet the wiki standards?
 * kind regards
 * Tom Full
 * The style of the song and production arrangement is very similar to the verses in a song by Joe Jackson from 1979 - “Is she really going out with him” where Joe sings “a lady that I used to know”. Tom Full (talk) 18:16, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Tom Full, thanks for the question.
 * Wikipedia would need a reliable source (see WP:RS) that explores the connection between the two songs. If there isn't one then this is what we call WP:OR whoch isn't suitable for this encyclopedia.
 * I'm old enough to have been around when Joe Jacksons song Is She Really Going Out with Him? and Somebody That I Used to Know. Although the JJ song contains a similar lyric, you would still need a reliable source stating the connection.
 * If you need any further help then do please ask here or at the Teahouse if you want a second opinion. Knitsey (talk) 18:30, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thx for a swift response and for your help. Although a wiki donor since long I’m new to content contribution so your guidance initially is helpful.
 * ..but I’m not new to music (retired musician and production studio owner) so my remarks are not “an opinion from an average joe” but rather facts of interest for the broader audience. But it may for some require an A-B listening comparison to discover.
 * I fully understand that solely those few words, shared in the lyrics are disqualifing for “major similarity“. However, those few words (..somebody I used to know..) in combination with the musical expression unveils the obvious similarities in the tune and music arrangement in both songs verses.
 * So to conclude, may I recommend you to listen to the Joe’s tune; second 8-50 and respectively second 28-50 of the Gotye tune before you dismiss this matter once more. Gotye just put those same words in the chorus instead.
 * Feel welcome to tell me that you now don’t see the obvious source of inspiration/similarities because I truly think that people would benefit from knowing this whilst wiki still follows its important policies and procedures!
 * kindly/T Tom Full (talk) 19:11, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ..sorry..typo… was supposed to be second 18-50 for Gotye Tom Full (talk) 19:17, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that, I can see you have some experience in musical comparisons.
 * The problem remains, without a source stating what you propose then it remains original research.
 * Put it this way, even if Wouter André De Backer made an account and stated the same thing, without a reference to back it up then it still wouldn't be allowed. I realise this concept can be frustrating but it is how Wikipedia tries to maintain integrity for the articles.
 * The other potential problem could be, that if the edit remained, someone connected to either act might take offence and consider it libel to suggest a connection.
 * I won't be offended if you want a second opinion on this. The teahouse is a great place to get advice. People generally try to be helpful and you might get redirected to one of the music projects but as I said, I wouldn't be upset if you wanted to ask elsewhere about it. Knitsey (talk) 19:27, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thx, I will leave you be after this.
 * I read a lot of the content before editing and here is an excerpt from that:
 * “..received a favorable response from critics, who noted the similarities between the songs and works by Sting, Peter Gabriel, David Bowie and American indie folk band Bon Iver..”
 * There was no source of reference to those claims (what critics, magazines etc?..) and in my world of consistency I was and still is convinced that those words allowed by wiki do not qualify as legit! It’s just someone’s claim that so is until verifiable by a reference! The reference leads to published articles possible to read for the wiki-user.
 * My contribution on the other hand do contain the reference - Spotify free songs so and so.. and leads to the main sources themselves. Not in written form but audio.
 * This comes forth as both inconsistent and confusing to me.
 * kindly
 * Tom Tom Full (talk) 19:49, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Give me a minute to go and check it. Knitsey (talk) 19:52, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Got you busy on this lovely Friday evening. Apologies!
 * Here is one hour closer to midnight compared to your whereabouts so this pensioner needs lights out .. Zzzz :D
 * I’ll pop in here tomorrow again
 * thanks a heap for your help and support Tom Full (talk) 20:09, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Lol ok, sleep well.
 * As an explanation for the existing comparisons, Wikipedia articles have a Leed (or lede) which usually summarises the article as a whole. So an article might be about an actor but also mention music they have released as a secondary career. Anything in the leed will be referenced in the article. That's why you usually wont see a reference in the leed section.
 * In this case, the references I looked through mentioned comparisons to acts with the exception of Peter Gabriel, so I've removed that (see article editing history for my comment).
 * It can get a bit confusing when it comes to policy and guidelines. It can take a while to understand how this all works and I don't pretend to understand every corner of Wikipedia.
 * Wikipedia has to be so careful about what is written about subjects.
 * What would be nice is if you felt you had the time, you could contribute more to Wikipedia articles. We have a lot of music projects and it sound like you have some knowledge that could be helpful. We always need new editors. If you do decide to stick around then don't worry too much if you're reverted occasionally, it comes with the territory. Knitsey (talk) 20:30, 27 October 2023 (UTC)