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This Month in GLAM: April 2012
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Request for comment on Theosophy page and Theosophy Talk page
Hello,

An editor of the Theosophy article and its Talk page created a Request for Comment involving both the article and its Talk page. Now I'm asking five to ten uninvolved editors from the religion/philosophy section of Wikipedia:Feedback request service to comment on the Theosophy Talk page.

If you are able and willing to comment that would be appreciated.

Sincerely,

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Please comment on Talk:Secular Islam Summit
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Adam Yauch semi-protection
Hey there, just wondering... You noted that Adam Yauch's article is semi-protected on the project page, but it's not there yet. I think you might have accidentally protected the Toruń article instead (which was the entry right beneath Adam Yauch). Can you please check and make sure? Thanks a bunch. Music + Pageants (talk) 17:58, 4 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, made a silly mistake there! Glad that WP:RFPP frequenters seemed to recover from my utter incompetence. —Tom Morris (talk) 19:57, 4 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Haha... no worries! All is well. Music + Pageants (talk) 20:11, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

New Pages update
Hey :). A quick update on how things are going with the New Page Triage/New Pages Feed project. As the enwiki page notes, the project is divided into two chunks: the "list view" (essentially an updated version of Special:NewPages) and the "article view", a view you'll be presented with when you open up individual articles that contains a toolbar with lots of options to interact with the page - patrolling it, adding maintenance tags, nominating it for deletion, so on.

On the list view front, we're pretty much done! We tried deploying it to enwiki, in line with our Engagement Strategy on Wednesday, but ran into bugs and had to reschedule - the same happened on Thursday :(. We've queued a new deployment for Monday PST, and hopefully that one will go better. If it does, the software will be ready to play around with and test by the following week! :).

On the article view front, the developers are doing some fantastic work designing the toolbar, which we're calling the "curation bar"; you can see a mockup here. A stripped-down version of this should be ready to deploy fairly soon after the list view is; I'm afraid I don't have precise dates yet. When I have more info, or can unleash everyone to test the list view, I'll let you know :). As always, any questions to the talkpage for the project or mine. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 23:22, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

My Last Message
Dear Tom Morris

It seems you are too busy these days. I do not seem to have received your reply to my earlier message posted on 29 April. Would appreciate it if you could let me know what needs to be down for rectifying the decision on deleting the entry in Wikipedia on Ali Paya.

With regards,

Ali PayaAlipayaa (talk) 18:04, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

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New Page Triage prototype released
Hey Tom Morris! We've finally finished the NPT prototype and deployed it on enwiki. We'll be holding an office hours session on the 16th at 21:00 in #wikimedia-office to show it off, get feedback and plot future developments - hope to see you there! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 03:30, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

your MfD nom
Please add a diff to your MfD nom to support the assertion that "as it was used as part of a userpage vandalism campaign." Thanks. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 10:12, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ —Tom Morris (talk) 10:25, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

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Biochemic cell salts
Hi. I was a bit disappointed with the debate at Articles for deletion/Biochemic cell salts. I noticed that you wrote "Show that there are independent, reliable sources on the topic that come from non-fringe non-lunatics and I'll happily change my mind". I provided the information that Edzard Ernst had written critical articles, which presumably met your needs, but you didn't show any sign of changing your mind and the deletion juggernaut rolled on. It's not that I care much about Biochemic cell salts, but more the way in which a relevant contribution to the discussion was just ignored. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 21:34, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * That's not how I saw it. WP:GNG requires multiple independent reliable sources. Even with Ernst, I'm still not quite seeing enough to meet the 'multiple' bit of that. —Tom Morris (talk) 14:11, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


 * WP:GNG says "Multiple sources are generally expected", not "required". In fact the German wikipedia article has another independent reference, to a study by Stiftung Warentest, again with a negative appraisal, but unfortunately not on line. WP:GNG explicitly says "Sources are not required to be available online, and they are not required to be in English", so that should be sufficient. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 15:34, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Autopatrolled
thankyou Tom B (talk) 14:04, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks
Now that I know what that communication was about, I appreciate the revdel. —Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 15:38, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

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New Page Triage/New Pages Feed
Hey all :). A notification that the prototype for the New Pages Feed is now live on enwiki! We had to briefly take it down after an unfortunate bug started showing up, but it's now live and we will continue developing it on-site.

The page can be found at Special:NewPagesFeed. Please, please, please test it and tell us what you think! Note that as a prototype it will inevitably have bugs - if you find one not already mentioned at the talkpage, bring it up and I'm happy to carry it through to the devs. The same is true of any additions you can think of to the software, or any questions you might have - let me know and I'll respond.

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Your opinion welcomed
Hi Tom - you recently gave me some advice on my talk page. Critical advice, but I believe it was appropriate and well intentioned. I'd like to ask you to consider the post I just made on the Astrology talk page. I'm aware that last year almost all the contributing editors to the Astrology page were driven out by an exhaustive process of edit conflicts and obstruction, and don't want to see the situation being created where only editors who show clear hostility towards the subject are allowed to make contributions to the main Astrology page. -- Zac  Δ talk! 18:35, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

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Articles from JSTOR if at all possible
Hello Tom Morris, I recently found the list WP:REX where it seems some nice volunteers like you help locate some not-so-easy-to-find references. I have tried my usual supplier of JSTOR articles but could not get these:

http://www.jstor.org/stable/25730046

http://www.jstor.org/stable/25732716

http://www.jstor.org/stable/25730044

http://www.jstor.org/stable/25730045

http://www.jstor.org/stable/25642457

http://www.jstor.org/stable/25643516

I wonder if I could possibly ask you to locate any of them for me as I read you have JSTOR access and most likely to a larger number of publications than my source. Any help is warmly welcome! Thank you in advance. --Rowanwindwhistler (talk) 18:39, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I had a look last night and I don't have access to any of those papers. —Tom Morris (talk) 14:31, 31 May 2012 (UTC)


 * A pity, thank you all the same! I will the other method then. --Rowanwindwhistler (talk) 04:38, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

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Block sock?
Hi -- you blocked, and I wonder if you'd like to block as well -- same approach to the same article. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 06:17, 31 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I blocked one as a sock of the other, but blocking policy doesn't require me to block both. I have good reasons per a confidential OTRS ticket to not block both. —Tom Morris (talk) 16:14, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Which one is the sock?  Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:13, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Themodernizer deleting files
I just noticed your request on Themodernizer's talk page after he removed yet another file from an article without explanation. I saw his rather "unhelpful" response,which raises a red flag for me. I've reverted a number of edits that he has made over past few days so we don't lose those files too and asked him again why he's removing images without any explanation why. Given that he hasn't edited for the past three years, the recent actions seem very strange. --AussieLegend (talk) 04:01, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Puzzled
I am very puzzled by your ruling in the Arthur Kemp article deletion page. It is blindingly obvious that he meets none of the notability criteria. It is not even a matter of dispute that he is non-notable--all of the multi-user accounts admitted as much. Why have you ruled "no consensus"? I am absolutely baffled. TheFallenCrowd (talk) 17:58, 25 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I believe I made myself clear in my closing. I ruled that there was no consensus because there was no consensus on whether or not the subject meets WP:GNG. You seemed to repeatedly avoid answering the question of whether he meets WP:GNG. The current interpretation of Wikipedia policy seems to be that either one must meet GNG or SNG or both. There was consensus that he did not meet SNG, but there was no consensus on the issue of GNG. Once you exclude all the single-purpose accounts, there isn't adequate consensus on GNG, and thus no consensus to delete. —Tom Morris (talk) 18:04, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, it is obvious that he does not meet WP:GNG. It was clearly established that he does not meet the notability criteria for a journalist, author, politician or single-event player, so how on earth could he meet WP:GNG? It is a non sequitur to claim that there is no consensus on notability when it was clearly established that he fufills none of the notability criteria. Even now, the article still claims that he is a "writer" and a "politician" (his occupation is listed as "political activist"!) even though he does not meet the criteria for notability.
 * Please be so kind as to advise me where this matter can be raised further.TheFallenCrowd (talk) 17:38, 2 June 2012 (UTC)


 * If you think I closed it incorrectly, you can take it to deletion review. —Tom Morris (talk) 20:22, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for handling this issue, AussieLegend. —Tom Morris (talk) 15:18, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

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Religious language
Hi there, Tom. I'm hoping to get religious language to Featured Article status soon. I've had it peer reviewed and looked at by other editors; I'd appreciate your input - could you have a look and tell me what you think, please? Thanks. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 21:02, 7 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I read a fair amount of Braithwaite at college, and you seem to have Braithwaite covered. There's not much I can add to what you've already got. Great work! I'll have a more formal review soon and am happy to help it go through the motions at FAC (although I can't promise anything given that I've never put anything through FAC and have only helped with one FAC). —Tom Morris (talk) 08:55, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I appreciate it. My exams finish on Thursday, so I plan to nominate it at some point after that. If there's anything more you could add, please let me know. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 12:41, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Help clear the Feedback Dashboard queue... for science! :)
Tom, I need your help!

... well, okay, not just you, but you and all the other Feedback Dashboard responders you know :) My colleagues are running an experiment on MoodBar/Feedback Dashboard, testing to see the effect that receiving feedback has on newbie editing activity. They need to temporarily clear the FD queue or get as close as possible to clearing it by June 19th, in order to get a statistically significant sample. More details are here on Meta. If you could jump in and help us tackle the backlog and/or spread the word among other top FD leaders, that would be fantastic. Thanks so much for any help you can give! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 00:20, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

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Help needed to clear the Feedback Dashboard queue
Hi Tom Morris, a project has been constructed and Maryana (WMF) was wondering if you'd be able to help out with a research project her colleagues are running on the effects of MoodBar/Feedback Dashboard. They're trying to see if getting a response to MoodBar feedback helps newbies edit more – but to do that, they need to (temporarily) raise the level of responses to as close to 100% as possible. (Don't worry; it's only a week-long test.) If you could help me and her spread the word among the other FD top responders you know to help us clear the backlog by June 19th, that would be awesome! More details about this test are on this page on Meta (Add your name to the list if you can help). Let her know if you have any questions and feel free to get in touch with other FD leaders about this if you want :) Cheers, Riley Huntley talk No talkback needed; I'll temporarily watch here. 16:44, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

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You're doing a fantastic job!
Tom, thank you so much from me and the MoodBar research team for your work on clearing the Feedback Dashboard backlog! You and the other responders have doubled the number of responses to feedback in the past few days. I wanted to let you know that in 4 more days, the MoodBar will be temporarily disabled, so you won't see any new feedback coming in for a little while. This is just to get a sample of users to compare to the ones who could give feedback and get responses from you – it'll be back soon. So get all of your responding in now, because you might have to go through a bit of Feedback Dashboard withdrawal next week :) Thanks again, and keep up the great work! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 18:32, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Here, have a barnstar, you deserve it!

 * Aww, thanks. My contributions have been pretty minimal compared to others though. —Tom Morris (talk) 07:18, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Featured article nomination
Hi there, Tom. Just to let you know, I've nominated religious language problem as a Featured Article, here. Any feedback you could give would be appreciated. Thanks. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 13:26, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Nice to meet you
Thank you for your post. I am learning a lot in a short amount of time. Nice to meet you Tom.  Ț ♥ ttØØd Ẅ ♥ itre§  15:58, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Feedback Dashboard update
Hello, Tom. New feedback should slow down and then stop in the next couple of days – the researchers temporarily turned off the MoodBar for people registering right now, in order to get a control sample for their test – so you'll have time to catch up. It will be turned on again on the 29th. I just hope you don't get too bored next week without feedback! Maybe visit the Teahouse? Cheers, Riley Huntley talk No talkback needed; I'll temporarily watch here. 18:14, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

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Kikko Matsuoka
Hi Tom! As you voted for deletion in the related discussion, I would invite you to check the improvements to the Kikko Matsuoka article and consider if now it satisfies WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR requirements. Regards, Cavarrone (talk) 10:55, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Paxlodge
Hi. I wonder if you would like to reconsider this block. Wandered into it by accident, and if you look at the edit pattern, it is blindingly clear that this user is someone who is genuinely trying to improve Wikipedia (albeit primarily in one article whose name coincides with his or her username). And, OK, he or she did not competely statisfy all the cpermission requirements for some pictures uploaded. But really, come on, this is not real conflict of interest territory: it's the scouts/guides ffs. Also, where are the warnings that a block was imminent? Mcewan (talk) 19:15, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Just to let you know, I raised this here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Inappropriate_COI_bans Mcewan (talk) 22:03, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I probably did go over the top on that block, yes. Usually I don't go anywhere near WP:UAA as there are admins who handle it. That said, the block is strictly within policy as it is a promotional username. If another admin wishes to unblock, I won't object. —Tom Morris (talk) 22:13, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia on retina
Ooh. Very nice. Finally, the computer industry is delivering us decent screens. (Not my laptop, sadly.) —Tom Morris (talk) 13:08, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

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