User talk:Tom Morris/Archive 9

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Geonotices
Hi. I guess you're possibly away over Easter. In connection with #Geonotice for Wikimania UK 2013, I've just left a note at User talk:Deryck Chan querying how to proceed. Cheers. -- Trevj (talk) 10:17, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Not sure there is much point proceeding. Thanks for pursuing it with Deryck. —Tom Morris (talk) 10:19, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah. You mean not proceeding with the Wikimania stuff? -- Trevj (talk) 14:58, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No, it's more that at this point, adding a Geonotice isn't going to really change anything about the London bid. —Tom Morris (talk) 15:04, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Request for adminship
Hello,

I've seen all the opposition to my nomination and have decided to withdraw. I guess I'm not ready yet. Then I would like to ask you a question, when do you think that I would be ready for something like this? I do have a lot of knowledge on railroads and believe that I could contribute in a good way. Anyway thank you for your advice! Cheers! (Central Data Bank (talk))


 * Hi there, Centra Data Bank, I'm sorry your RfA didn't go so well. It is probably worth mentioning that, as great as your contributions to railroads have been, they are not the most important thing if you are considering being an administrator. Although administrators need to be good content contributors and understand our policies surrounding content, they also need sufficient experience in the other areas of Wikipedia (the admin areas). It is wonderful that you enjoy contributing to railroad articles - you don't need administrator rights to do this. If you are still interesting in being an administrator, I suggest you look at admin areas - that would include WP:AFD, WP:DRV, WP:PERM, WP:RPP, WP:AIV, WP:CSD, WP:NPP and others. If, after a few months of heling out around there, you are still interested you could consider applying again. If you do not really enjoy those kinds of tasks, adminship may not be for you (it is not for everyone; some of our best content contributors are not admins). If you do plan to reapply, I would suggest a 6 month wait as a minimum, maybe even 8-12. That will give you a real feel of what kind of work being an administrator would entail and give you enough experience to work in those areas effectively. Whatever you decide to do, I wish you the best of luck. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 17:39, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I also added a heading to this section to differentiate it from the section above. Hope you don't mind.


 * I haven't got much to add beyond what ItsZippy has said. I hope you don't the rapid rejection at RfA personally: if you think you can help as an admin, don't be put off. We always need help on WP:AFD: just pick a topic, and see if you can find sources for it. If you have a high tolerance for drama, consider commenting on threads on WP:ANI and WP:AN. You don't need to worry if the dramaboards aren't your cup of tea though. Just keep at it, do more maintenance work and try again in six months. You'll be fine! —Tom Morris (talk) 19:18, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

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 * No, that's fine. —Tom Morris (talk) 18:46, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for being a great contributor!
I'm new to Wikipedia. I just wanted to say thanks for being a great contributor! Ajsmith8 (talk) 23:13, 10 April 2012 (UTC)ajsmith8

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My overall contributions so far (Important)
Hello Tom Morris, hope you are doing good :). I need to ask about a frank view/opinion on my contributions so far from all experienced users (all other users are also most welcome to comment). As i want to improve more and more day by day and help the project become more successful which i am proudly a part of. I am always truthful, i also intend to become an administrator in the future to help and serve the project better than ever and for that i need more help and support from all other users on every aspect. I had started my Wikipedia editor review Editor review/TheGeneralUser almost a month ago, but only one user till now have given me feedback about my contributions. Looking forward to hearing for suggestions from you and all members of the community :). Happy Editing! TheGeneralUser (talk) 18:53, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

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 * ✅ Thanks. —Tom Morris (talk) 21:44, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Tom, glad you got your account. Did the lack of a closing "sup" tag mess up your talk page in some way?  In other words, do I have to fix 450 talk page messages??  Cheers, Ocaasit &#124; c 21:59, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep, 'fraid you've got some page fixing to do. Had the same thing with This Month In GLAM before and gone and fixed them all manually. Thanks for sorting the HighBeam thing out. Lots of referencing to add! —Tom Morris (talk)

DYK for Ford's Hospital, Coventry
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Re: My Article
Dear Tom Morris

Thank you for your reply to my message to Ron Ritzman. With regard to 'sources' for the deleted article, a quick google search under my name 'Ali Paya' provides ample evidence concerning scholarly articles and books written by me in academic journals and/or published by well-known Iranian or international publishers. As suggested in my message to Ron a copy of my CV could also be provided to whoever is going to referee the case.

With regards,

Ali PayaAlipayaa (talk) 19:16, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

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Re Article in Wikipedia on Ali Paya
Dear Tom Morris

In an earlier message which I am not sure whether you have read, I thanked you for your proposal for resolving the case of the deleted entry in my name in Wikipedia. In that message I had explained that all the sources which you or any other editor who wants to restore the deleted article on me in Wikipedia is easily available by a simple Google search. I would appreciate it if you could look into this matter and let me know if any other piece of information is required which cannot be obtained through such a search. With kind regards, Ali PayaAlipayaa (talk) 14:12, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


 * It's on my list of things to do. I only have a certain number of hours in each day. —Tom Morris (talk) 14:19, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

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TargetProcess page deletion
Hi Tom,

I am willing to know more information about TargetProcess (software) page deletion. This product is quite popular and well known on ALM market, so I wonder why pages like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiquidPlanner exists, but TargetProcess page was deleted.

Thank you for clarification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdubakov (talk • contribs) 09:00, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I nominated it for speedy deletion as "Unambiguous advertising or promotion." back on January 2. Another admin, User:Malik Shabazz agreed with my nomination and deleted the article. The article was created back in 2007 by a user called "Targetprocess", you have an obvious conflict of interest writing about software you've created. In addition, software requires sources to establish notability. I'm not sure the Jolt Awards count on that front, but I'm not necessarily that knowledgable about what the current standards are for inclusion in software. —Tom Morris (talk) 10:41, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

OK, I got it. What can be done to restore the article, change wordings, etc? Product is in active development actually. Again, it is easier to me to use real examples. Here is the tool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mingle that has quite few sources, TargetProcess have even more of them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdubakov (talk • contribs) 11:44, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


 * May I refer you to WikiProject Cooperation/Paid Editor Help. They can probably help you better than I can. —Tom Morris (talk) 12:16, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Setting up a draft copy in Mdubakov's userspace would be a good first step, since we need to see what we're working with first. Silver  seren C 03:48, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I've added a page User:Mdubakov/TargetProcess. Please check it and let me know what can be fixed/improved. Thanks! --Mdubakov (talk) 20:19, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Could you explain an edit of yours for Vlad Ţepeș (disambiguation)?
Hi there!

I would like to revert the edit made by a sockpuppet of the banned User:Iaaasi to the article. Have you any objection to it ?--Nmate (talk) 11:07, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Tom, Vlad Țepeș is the precise name (with diacritics), not Vlad Tepes. Please don't listen to this guyBzg1920 (talk) 11:14, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

All I was doing yesterday with the disambiguation thing was responding to Bzg1920's page move issues at the request of another user who spotted them and asked me to handle them. I have no interest in the issue of diacritics: life is far, far too short for me to give a shit about diacritic usage on disambiguation pages. If Bzg1920 is supposed to be a sock of Iaaasi, I'd suggest taking it to WP:SPI. —Tom Morris (talk) 11:21, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Who was that user you are referring to by "Bzg1920's page move issues at the request of another user who spotted them and asked me to handle them"?--::Nmate (talk) 11:27, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * An experienced user I trust made a request to me informally. Exactly who is of no relevance to this discussion. —Tom Morris (talk) 11:38, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, But if I would like to discuss with said experienced user, I can't ask him/her about the reasons why the disambiguation page had to be moved under a new name.--Nmate (talk) 12:00, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * No, that's still irrelevant. Bzg1920 made the decision to move the page to the version with diacritics. In the process, they were making mistakes to try and get around the fact that they were trying to move the dab page over a redirect. The user who asked me to sort it out will have nothing to add to this discussion: I simply made sure that the move was executed cleanly. Bzg1920 was going all over the place. Neither me nor the user who brought it to my attention have any view on the appropriateness of the move, I just made sure the move was done cleanly. If you wish to revert the move, I'm happy to do that too. But the issue you've raised is apparently the claim that Bzg1920 is a sock of Iaaasi. That's a much bigger concern: if it's true, we ought to block Bzg1920. But you seem to be more interested in my utterly run-of-the-mill admin housekeeping than the socking claim here. —Tom Morris (talk) 12:05, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

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Day of Silence
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Skepticamp DYK
Tom, thanks for the help on Flynn's page. Do you have any idea what we are to do now with the DYK skepticamp submission? It has stalled and seems forgotten. I don't think I can comment on the submission as I helped with the Skepticamp page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know#Articles_created.2Fexpanded_on_March_28 Any help you can give would be great! Sgerbic (talk) 15:14, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

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Talkback
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Sorry.
I am very sorry for my actions and/or arguing with you :).-- Deathlaser : Chat  15:46, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Info
Hello Tom, just out of interest - you protected the visibility level of a number of edits here which were mostly mine. Why was this? What exactly is RD3? To my knowledge these things only happen when there is offensive material and I certainly didn't think I submitted anything like that. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 18:41, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No, you didn't do anything wrong at all. Another user posted some inflammatory material just before your comments, and because of the way MediaWiki works, admins can't surgically remove just those edits, but also have to hide edits after those. RD3 refers to the revision deletion criteria. You've done nothing wrong, just a minor bug in The Matrix: all will be straightened out shortly. —Tom Morris (talk) 18:46, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh I see the picture now, the IP made an inappropriate edit and my comment appeared when his was still visible so you had to effectively return to the earlier version. Not a problem, thanks Tom. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 19:12, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

User:216.166.10.195
I received a rather bizarre, rambling message from this user on my talk page and noticed he had posted it to several others. He's been blocked by you for block evasion and is apparently a banned user, so I reverted his edits, but do you know what that message was all about? Calabe1992 17:19, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Probably needs a rangeblock, you blocked .161 after an edit to Soviet King's talkpage and now .163 has posted contents of a private email to the same page. (Prolly also needs revdeleting, that...) —Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 17:43, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * For that matter, could I suggest you semiprotect his talk page to prevent similar future attacks from this IP range (or other ranges). —Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 17:44, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Rangeblock and semi-protection both done. Now to go clean up the mess. —Tom Morris (talk) 17:48, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * No, no, no Tom. That's not a mess, that's a breakdown. There's a boy out there in trouble (I mean troubled in his soul) and you're not helping. You're just sweeping it under the carpet (but it's all there to be peeked at if need be Tom). I don't know if you've been involved with this boy before in Wikipedia, or know who has, but you should be doing something more positive for him if you were. I have done all I'm prepared to do for him. I am truly sorry but his problems began long before he chose to involve himself with me and I can do nothing for him. 206.222.178.217 (talk) 22:12, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Not being a priest, the state of anybody's soul is not my concern. Your repeated attempts at outing the user in question are my concern. If you believe any Wikimedia user is in imminent danger, please contact emergency [at] wikimedia [dot] org. Blocked. —Tom Morris (talk) 22:15, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

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Redacting
I saw what you did at User talk:Anna Frodesiak, you may want to do the same with this edit. Cheers, --kelapstick(bainuu) 23:30, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks. —Tom Morris (talk) 23:34, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * and it got readded to the talk page this time. I have removed it again, but can't revdel the three edits in question. I will go leave a message on User:Titodutta's talk page. --kelapstick(bainuu) 23:41, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Revdelled. Thanks. —Tom Morris (talk) 23:46, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Spiffy, thanks. --kelapstick(bainuu) 23:59, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

My talkpage and userpage
I saw that you made 3 revisions hidden from my talk page and userpage. I m confused and little scared because I don't think that I posted any kind of disruptive material. Can you please tell me in brief that what was the problem actually? Regards,  Yash  t  101   04:25, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't worry Yasht101. I was dealing with a user who has been evading a block who posts a long comment about an underage editor on the talk pages of a variety of users. Said long comment includes personally identifiable information about the user: this is both disruptive and infringes on this user's privacy. You got one of these messages on your user page and quite naturally wanted to move it to your user talk page: I deleted the revisions on both your user and user talk page. The material is disruptive, but your actions aren't. I can't give you any more details about the content of the deleted material without risking the privacy of the user who is being attacked by the content. —Tom Morris (talk) 08:06, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know the content, but it was about my editor friend who has retired from wiki yesterday due to such messages according to me. I won't say the name but probably you might be aware about him.  Yash  t  101   08:10, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I believe you know who is being referred to. —Tom Morris (talk) 08:12, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:The Wandering Songstress
Feel free to discuss; the discussion is located at the bottom of the talk page. --George Ho (talk) 08:39, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why you are asking me: I have never edited the article or commented on this issue before, nor have any interest in songs from Chinese movies from the 1930s. —Tom Morris (talk) 08:41, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Retirement note
Even though I've retired, I just wanted to let you know that I am under an Interaction Ban against Dave1185, and he has violated it by referring to me on this : in Chinese and I find it insulting. Soviet King :  Talk or Yell  09:02, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Is your name mentioned anywhere in that conversation, whether in English or Chinese? That's a rather absurd claim when you're not even mentioned. —Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 10:52, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Even relying on Google Translate, it's fairly self-evident what you and Dave1185 are talking about. Even if you doubt the sincerity of Soviet King's retirement, I'd still hope Dave1185 could keep to his end of the interaction ban. —Tom Morris (talk) 10:55, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * How is it "self-evident" when he's not even mentioned at any point? Don't you think it'd be stupid of Dave to violate his interaction ban when he knows the power of Google Translate as you point out? So what makes you think it's anything to do with Soviet King? —Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 12:24, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You don't have to mention someone by name to refer to them. When a particularly annoying person that you know in real life decides to up sticks and move abroad, you might say "Our long national nightmare is over!" And, no, you aren't naming them or mentioning them. Pragmatic linguistics aside, I asked someone who can actually read Chinese to take a look, and they tell me it's pretty damn vague. I'm sorry for jumping to conclusions on shaky evidence. Enjoy your indecipherable conversations! —Tom Morris (talk) 12:54, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Just so you know, can you revoke this users : User talk:81.178.38.169‎ talk page, he's again trying to out me. Soviet King :  Talk or Yell  12:18, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ —Tom Morris (talk) 12:22, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Last but not least, I would like a ban proposal on User: Rinpoche for repeatedly harassing me. Then maybe I'll come back in a month or two when things have all calmed down. @ Strange Passerby, thank you for being nice and proposing a temp page protection from this troll, and I am deeply sorry for hurting you because I misunderstood. Thanks and take care. Soviet King :  Talk or Yell  12:28, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. I can sympathise with what you must be going through, it's not fun to be harassed. —Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 12:32, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed, I appreciate your help and enjoy the rest of April :) Soviet King :  Talk or Yell  12:33, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * If you are still around please propose an WP:ANI case to block this troll from harassing me further. This troll needs to be thrown back under the bridge. Soviet King :  Talk or Yell  12:34, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * My understanding is that the user in question is already banned, and that therefore any further appearances of him will result in (more) blocks and rangeblocks and reversions and revdels as necessary. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 12:44, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, according to this, I don't see any reference of him being banned at all. Thanks again people, now I hope to come back in a week or two when his mess Is cleared up. Soviet King :  Talk or Yell  12:55, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * True, but that is an incomplete list. If I get time later on today, I'll try and find the ban details and then add him to it, unless Tom or someone else wants to go ahead and add him directly. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 13:07, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you even think that I was harassing him? Soviet King :  Talk or Yell  13:39, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I've seen nothing to suggest that you were, and I also haven't seen any suggestion from anyone else, that you were. However, he certainly has been harassing you, and in a very unpleasant and cowardly way. Either way, he's banned, so that's that. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 13:56, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It's funny that he told my school that he's 64 years old, and a retired maths teacher, when clearly it could be another spin doctor (preferablly in his 20's) posing as a 64 year old to avoid scrunity. Soviet King :  Talk or Yell  14:27, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Or a dog of any age. However, I don't think you should be saying publicly how old he's claimed to be in correspondence with your school, unless he's posted the same thing publicly on Wikipedia (which he may have). --Demiurge1000 (talk) 14:51, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit summary usage
Hi, thank you for your message, I revert the article Amir Sayoud to changes the last name Sayoud to Saayoud because it's his correct name. I don't put copy past method, I revert corretly, yes I know I don't discuss that, because I thought it's not realy an important subject. U warn me and thank you. I contribute much in this wikipedia since many years and I ask you is it reason to block me ? --Faycal.09 (talk) 12:30, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Astronomy
Hello Tom. If you tag any more non-notable minor planet articles with the WikiProject Astronomy template, please could you add "|class=stub|importance=low"? That way I won't have to come through afterwards and clean up the ratings. (I.e. the noise [minor planets] is hiding the signal [new articles].) Thank you. Most of these articles are going to be converted into redirects in the near future. Regards, RJH (talk) 20:24, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, will do. —Tom Morris (talk) 20:30, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Regards, RJH (talk) 20:38, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

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See Requests_for_permissions/Rollback. --Tomtomn00 (talk • contributions) 16:58, 29 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Easy. I didn't grant it when Simeondahl applied on WP:RFPERM. He subsequently asked me off-wiki and I granted it when he demonstrated that he was capable of doing anti-vandalism competently.
 * Also, just a note on your non-admin observations on WP:RFPERM. The basic stuff like number of edits, history of anti-vandalism etc. are things admins are going to look up (no offence to those doing the non-admin observations, but if we blindly trust what NAOs say about this stuff, our necks are on the chopping block). The way to help at RFPERM as a non-admin is to make non-admin observations when you have something useful and new to say. If there is a legitimate concern about a user that the admin ought to be aware of, that's a really good reason to provide an non-admin observation. —Tom Morris (talk) 17:06, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay! --Tomtomn00 (talk • contributions) 17:25, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

The Flying Carpet Troll
The person you locked out of 1001 nights immediately moved his attention to Magic Carpet. He (or maybe she?) operates from multiple IPs - and STILL won't engage in talk page exchange (only argument is personal abuse of me and a rack of websites - the result of googling "ARABIAN NIGHTS" and "FLYING CARPET"! I have actually examined these - some are not relevant at all (as you'd expect from a raw google - none "prove" what the troll keeps bleating. I would dearly love to ignore this obvious game player and get on with my life - but I don't see why they should get away with this sort of thing.

Appreciate your advice on where to go from here - any way I can get out without leaving these two articles (and probably a succession of others) repeatedly disrupted, if not permanently scarred?? --Soundofmusicals (talk) 14:12, 29 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I have added a further reference (a direct lift from an on-line edition of Burton's translation of the "Nights". Hopefully this finally silences the troll?? --Soundofmusicals (talk) 02:49, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Re- Wikipedia article on Ali Paya
Dear Tom Morris

Further to our last correspondence on 17 April, wonder whether you have had a chance to look at the issue of deletion of the entry in Wikipedia entitled 'Ali Paya'.

Kind regards,

Ali PayaAlipayaa (talk) 22:23, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Shiatsushi
Dear Mr Morris, thank you for posting your impressions on 10:54, 30 April 2012 (UTC) on my talk page (shiatsushi), but either you haven't understood me or I haven't explained myself very well. I don't know what you have read or assumed. WHAT I am saying is not that IRWolfie had me blocked for edit warring or that it was an unfair decision. WHAT I am saying is that he TRIED to block me (not the first time I was blocked) when I opened Cabal Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/11 April 2012/Template:Shiatsu because I disagreed with him. I believe you only need to look at the cabal I have just mentioned to see that I am telling the truth. He mentions my previous blocking as if that had anything to do with the disagreement in that PARTICULAR cabal. In fact, as anyone can see, he REFUSES to give REASONS for undoing my edits, and writes to Blade of the Northern Lights (09:39, 17 April 2012 (UTC)) trying to get me blocked when this time I am NOT edit warring. So I am problematic because I refuse to edit war this time, and ask for reasons? Or because I ask for mediation because he doesn't allow any editing that doesn't agree with him? Shiatsushi (talk) 16:32, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

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User update


Hi as you blocked this user and he has been unblocked and returned directly to previous behavior - just a note to update you and request you to keep an eye on his activities as he is clearly a single purpose account on the Dave Winer BLP - thanks - You  really  can  14:10, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard


 * Oops - excuse me - I didn't see the above section - didn't mean to 'pile on'' with the comments - nothing really serious is going on - just a request to keep an eye on the situation - regards - You  really  can  18:41, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

User talk:Irelan12
Hi! I've unblocked User:Irelan12. It seems almost trivial to point out that, to block someone as a block evading sock puppet should require that the original account have been blocked, which it wasn't. --jpgordon:==( o ) 23:43, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Can we please get them both blocked again, then? As a quick perusal of the Talk:Dave_Winer page will confirm -- or as anyone will confirm who has worked on Dave Winer's biography, Nirelan's sole purpose on Wikipedia for the past five years has been to force his deeply prejudiced point of view on that biography. Moreover, this person has been through countless accounts and blocks, and his behaviour remains the same it has ever been. Having Nirelan out and about with two accounts in good standing is an insult to anyone who would like to get on with their lives rather than being forced to respond to his relentless antics. ARK (talk) 08:18, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Please, can SOMETHING be done? I strongly concur with ARK's summary above. A great deal of time is being devoted to maintaining this page in the face of incessant and tireless attempts to denigrate the subject, often rehashing issues that have been discussed for years. MarkBernstein (talk) 18:22, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Nirelan, Irelan12, and any of the user's other sock puppets needs to be blocked indefinitely. The administrator who blocked Nirelan in early 2007 said that the ban was indefinite for edit warring on Dave Winer under a variety of usernames: User_talk:Nirelan. It turned out that the original ban was not indefinite, however, and Irelan12 got his recent block removed on this technicality. Yet Nirelan went through a whole raft of sock puppets after the original 2007 block, and Nirelan2 was blocked indefinitely, as was NickIre, which should be sufficient cause to block user:Irelan12 indefinitely. Here's a discussion from the archives that should settle the issue. ARK (talk) 21:48, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Watch this space. —Tom Morris (talk) 21:52, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I've taken the Irelan12/Dave Winer stuff to WP:ANI, see Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. —Tom Morris (talk) 22:17, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Tom! ARK (talk) 23:38, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Tom, you have a bit of explaining to do. When are you guys going to quit falsifying the page?--50.103.147.66 (talk) 00:46, 2 May 2012 (UTC)