User talk:Tomica/Archive 15

Edit summary
Hi Tomica, someone just e-mailed me to complain about this revert of yours. If you're reverting non-vandal edits, please try to use an edit summary that explains the reasoning behind the revert. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 14:40, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry I probably should provide a summary. However, with that edit the sentence became only larger and only made the prose worse. — Tomica   (talk)  14:47, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah not a big deal, just something like, "AGF Revert, not an improvement to prose" is ok for a first revert, then you get into a WP:BRD situation with further edits. Just don't use edit summaries like "ARE YOU A BLOODY WANKER, YOUR PROSE IS HORRIBLE" and you'll be ok. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:54, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Haha. No I usually never use that kind of summaries. I would better leave it blank instead of writing that kind of edit summaries. :P — Tomica   (talk)  16:31, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: Let Me Love You (Until You Learn to Love Yourself)
Hey Tomica, Thank you you Tomica. Mean's a lot. Tbh I'd said to myself I defo would not come back. But i've some free time at the moment and tbh this keeps me busy and keeps me practising something semi-academic. We'll see how things go. Ne-yo's new single is an absolute banger. When I saw there was no page for it I was absolutely shocked. I've done the album as well: R.E.D. (Ne-Yo album). What do you think? And no of course I don't mind! I think we should always endorse good articles whether we've written them or someone else has. Its always good to get great examples out there. I hope your well? &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  18:50, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Aww thanks, you flatter me too much. Its nice to see familiar names in edit summaries. Quite a few people have asked me to come back. I guess i am but not as much as last time. I have "Looking for Myself" on spin quite regularly! I'm so excited for "Numb" being released as single. Its my favourite up-tempo/pop Usher song (and controversially i'll say its the best song on the album after climax). Again rather controversially I'll say Talk That Talk was over after "We Found Love" tbh. That's the only song on there I like and maybe "Where Have You Been". I was over TTT about 6 months ago. I'm ready for a new album already. I just hope its more like Loud cause honestly for all the fast-food i'll release a song every 2 months that Rihanna does.. Loud was full of hits and had zero fat! A small trim album. Im also excited for Glassheart. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  19:09, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Numb (Usher song)
Hi Tomer, I saw a couple issues with the nom. Could you reply there? Thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:10, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

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A Girl like Me
Do you want to start today and try and finish it within 5 days? Aaron  &bull; You Da  One 11:56, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * We can try it, I guess.— Tomica   (talk)  14:34, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Or if we start tomorrow? Do you it is 5x expandable for DYK? Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 14:58, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It is already 56,983 bytes so I really don't think we have some chances for DYK :). Btw, tomorrow I can only edit at night (I can start around 12 AM my time and 11 AM your time), of you are able then okay, if not Monday is perfectly fine for me. — Tomica   (talk)  17:08, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 12 am, so 11pm for me? Well I can start on the singles section for SOS, We Ride and Break it Off if you like, then you do Unfaithful as you did Unfaithful. Maybe a short paragraph per song like on Loud. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 17:20, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah sorry 11pm, for you. I think since this is a collaborative project you can add information for "Unfaithful" in the singles section. Nevermind who did what... this article we are doing together. So can I add information for the others one. — Tomica   (talk)  17:40, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I just suggested that because I'm not familiar with the Unfaithful article and thought you would be better at writing about it. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 17:45, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. Nevermind I can add the information. — Tomica   (talk)  18:36, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm back online now. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 17:56, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm online. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 22:44, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Tom
Just testin'.  Statυs   ( talk ) 17:52, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Haha, like. — Tomica   (talk)  17:53, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

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Review of Template:Did you know nominations/Teeology
Hi Tomica, I've just raised this at Wikipedia talk:Did you know because the article was too short for DYK - only 1306 characters, well short of the minimum 1500. Concerns were also expressed at Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors about the promotional nature of the article and possible copyright violation. Mikenorton (talk) 08:19, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


 * My apologies - I didn't check the edit history, or I would have realised that the article was shortened after approval and promotion - please do remove this thread from your talk page if you prefer. Mikenorton (talk) 16:09, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Euphoria (Usher song)
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DYK for cognitive vulnerability
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DYK for Numb (Usher song)
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Hey. How you doing? Just wanted to ask if apart from Princess of China any other Rihanna article has to be worked upon. I may be of help. :D Thanks and greetings. Syedwaheedhussain (talk) 20:02, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

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Radio airplay
Hello, I saw the "Break It Off" article in the Good Article Nominations queue, which is why how I came to edit it. I feel I must explain to you how the radio industry works. Firstly, a radio add is not the same as a commercial release, so they must be separated.

In the US radio industry (which I have knowledge of), what happens that labels issue tracks out to stations in the hopes that they will add them. They often have an "add date" that they hope stations will add the record to their playlists. The point of this is to get it chart high on airplay charts by aiming for a specific date. However, due to the sheer size of the US, stations never add tracks at the same time. And naturally, some station will never add the track. So this cannot be constituted as any sort of proper release date, and should not be grouped with them. Note how in "Smells Like Teen Spirit" the date promo copies were sent to radio station was was before the physical release, but that date is not considered a release date. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:05, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi. Per Wikipedia's policies as I am acknowledged every song that gets a radio release date it becomes a single. For example look at "Raining Men", the song never got a digital or physical, but only radio release date. No matter if the radio stations are going to play the song, the songs are already released there so they are practically a singles per Wikipedia rules. As matter of fact, the radio release date we put it in the release history chart tables on the articles we edit. — Tomica   (talk)  11:14, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You see, being released to radio does not actually make a song a single by default. In fact, whole formats are based around playing songs from full albums--this is how you get something like "album-oriented rock". College radio in particular does not rely very much in individual tracks beings released--they pick and choose tracks from albums they want to play. What is the policy you are referring to? Because whatever it is appears to be very flawed. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:26, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Then, by your theory why the label does not put the whole album for airplay in hope they would play all the songs? Why they choose only particular songs that are sent on certain dates to the radios? That makes songs singles actually, radio singles. That's how it goes on Wikipedia, songs that are sent on radio are singles. Mainly first they are sent to radio then they are digitally or physically release (they don't have to be though). I can't really understand your removal of the radio dates... — Tomica   (talk)  11:38, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I explained my removal of the radio dates. Merely sending out a promo to radio stations is not a release, because consumers cannot buy it or own it. By its nature, it's promotion for a proper single release, or to promote an album without sending out the entire album to radio stations. You can indicate when a label sent out a track to radio, but it should be separated from proper release dates like those for CDs and digital downloads, for they are two very different things. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:45, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * But your explanation does not fit the grounds here on Wikipedia. I can tell you thousand of songs articles that use the radio release date as first date and include it in the release history chart table. Maybe people can't buy it (for that it is not a format), but still songs that are released on the radio are singles on Wikipedia. Check whatever articles you want and you will see the release date there. — Tomica   (talk)  11:48, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Just because other articles do it a certain way does not make it accurate or ideal. As I said earlier, point me to the "Wikipedia policies" you are referring to. WesleyDodds (talk) 13:09, 22 August 2012 (UTC)