User talk:Tommyrobredo

Details on the most recent update to the "Tommy Robredo" Wikipedia entry (10 October 2007):
1. Externals links to fan forums and other fan-created websites dedicated to Tommy Robredo have been re-ordered to reflect the date they were first submitted to this Wikipedia entry. In the interest of fairness this is the best way of ordering links to fan websites. Some websites are more active than others but to order the links based on how much traffic they generate or to promote one's own website by placing it at the top of the external links list when other websites have submitted their addresses for that position already is not fairminded.

2. Since the 2007 season is coming to a close, the performance timeline table has been expanded to accomodate Tommy Robredo's 2008 results.

3. Weasel words and redundant information have been removed.

4. The external links for the Steve G. Tennis match results and rankings history were deleted because they are not noticeably superior to what the official tour website provides and are therefore redundant:

4a. As mentioned Tommy Robredo has not needed to qualify for years so the fact that Steve G. Tennis provides this information is a moot point.

4b. The match results on Steve G. Tennis are presented in a style that is poorly formatted and difficult to read, making the site far less user-friendly than the official tour site.

4c. The fact that the ATP site does not list entry status and seeding for opponents is a moot point considering that they provide the full match statistics and draws for each tournament Tommy Robredo participates in, which Steve G. Tennis does not provide.

4d. The ranking history of Tommy Robredo provided at Steve G. Tennis is very incomplete, with most weeks missing.

4e. Most of the links on the "match results" pages at Steve G. Tennis redirect to the ATP's own webpages for player profiles, head-to-head information, match statistics, and other informational pages. This fact in particular makes the Steve G. Tennis links provided redundant.

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If you need any help, just click on my name at the end here and write me on my talk page. Chavatshimshon 11:37, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I Re-entered External Links for Recent Match Results and Ranking History
I just re-entered the links you removed 2 weeks ago from the Robredo bio for Recent Match Results and Ranking History.

Please take a closer look at them and the level of detail and additional links they provide.

For the Recent Match Results link, first of all, it delivers Recent Match Results with just one click. Most of the time when people come to a wikipedia bio for a current player, it is during a tournament (such as the US Open) and it is for a player with whom they are unfamiliar, and they want to know who this player is and what they have been up to lately.

So a link that says Recent Match Results is about the most useful external link you can provide to a wikipedia user. The ATP profile main page has a link to a player's results. But it is inferior to the SteveGHelper results.

ATP shows tournament results only AFTER the tournament ends, never during, and does not ever list qualifying matches (although Robredo has had to qualify in more than 5 years ...). And to see doubles results takes a couple more clicks to get to another page that shows them. The ATP results do not list entry status and seeding for opponents (entry status such as Wild Card, Qualifier, Alternate, Lucky Loser).

SteveGHelper, using the data maintained at SteveGTennis.com, lists all singles, doubles, and qualifying matches, almost always updated every morning with the previous day's results. Each player's entry status is there (WC, Q, LL, ALT), as well as links to each player's ATP profile page, the Head-to-Head page at the ATP site for the 2 singles players, and the player's Ranking History page at SteveGHelper (linked via the text for his ranking at the time of the match.) These are serious advantages over all the ATP alternative. And no advertising, either.

As for the Ranking History link, it pulls up a Ranking History page directly. The ATP site has something marginally similar, which takes 3 clicks to get to from the main page, and then gives you an inferior view of inferior data. The ATP site does also show doubles rankings, but it shows only the singles ranking number, shows it for every single weeks (do you really care to see EVERY week's ranking from a year ago, or would you prefer to just see a sample of ranking every few months to see how the player is trending?) The SGH site shows a "telescoping view" of the ranking history, first going back a week at a time, then 2 weeks, then monthly up to a year, then every three months after that. In a single screen of data, you can see both how a player has been rising or falling recently and his general trend over the last year and last several years. Additionally, SGH contains a direct link to each week's ranking file at SteveGTennis.com and shows 3 more important details: # of tournaments played, points accumulated, and increase / decrease since the beginning of the year.

When you look at the details that the SGH pages give compared to ATP site, you can see they are not simply delivering data redundant to the ATP site, but deliver a unique perspective on a player such as Robredo and any other current tour player.

Please let me know if you think there are perspectives on this that I am not seeing clearly. ShabbatSam 11:18, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

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