User talk:Tomwsulcer/Archive 6

Photo of Rutgers Spelled Out in a Hedge on College Avenue Campus
Hi! I just wanted to make sure I understand the information provided correctly and this photo is open to use for any purpose without any restrictions? We would like to use it for an online brochure that is being put together by the Rutgers Office of Undergraduate Admissions for international students. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.151.130.152 (talk) 16:34, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, use that photo for ANY purpose, no need to attribute me as photographer, it is a public domain photo, it is yours as much as anybody's, enjoy. PS Sorry the leftmost R did not get enough sun at the time.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 18:32, 14 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Tom, that is a great shot, too...I lived in Hegeman 4 in the building behind during my junior year. That building was a dilapidated hell hole. I started a mini-fire in the basement there when the microwave in the commons room decided to turn my Hotpocket black and crispy. Oh how the times changed, I remember that quad being broken-up blacktop and neglected rusty basketball hoops where that gazebo is, they redid that entire old quad the year after I was graduated.--ColonelHenry (talk) 18:53, 14 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Colonel! Good you did not burn anything down. Cool how they get the letters right. Guess it takes a good eye I suppose. I take lots of photos and if lucky, sometimes they're usable and good.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:02, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you, perchance, have any that I could use for Kirkpatrick Chapel, the museum at Geology Hall or the other older buildings on the Queen's Campus and Voorhees Mall?--ColonelHenry (talk) 23:22, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Next time I visit, I'll try to get more photos there, hopefully remembering those two. Would this one be any good? I took photos of buildings a while back but I did not know which ones were which. Those are great articles you did, by the way -- kudos to you.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 00:44, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Two-party system
The National Assembly of South Korea regularly elects more than two parties but only two parties (Saenuri Party and Democratic Party) have sufficient influence about South Korean politics. Other parties do not have sufficient influence about South Korean politics and only have 11 seats in the National Assembly. So South Korea has a two-party system. --117.53.77.30 (talk) 16:50, 19 October 2013 (UTC)


 * This concerns the article Two-party system so I will copy this comment to Talk:Two-party system.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 19:19, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

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So then...
I was passing the JH statue the other day and thought of you. I'm sorry we couldn't meet and hope you will get in touch next time you're planning to be in the area. In the meantime, there's still that matter to resolve. How about you and I each take a few days to review the old discussion, and then together take stock of how to proceed. I trust you're well. EEng (talk) 13:54, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you for your comment, yes I felt bad we could not meet, but the trip ended up being (too) much driving, visiting Amherst (UMass), Lynn, Marblehead, a few of motorcyclists in Salem, back again, didn't quite get into Boston like I had hoped. If interested, I uploaded perhaps 50 to 100 photos here although some Jersey ones are mixed in, but after the first page or two, there are the Marbleheads and school ones. About the HU article: how about cutting the three words "culture of cheating" and reducing the line about the poll to something about how the school continues to cope with the issue, keeping the Crimson reference? Would that work for you?--Tomwsulcer (talk) 14:44, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Roofs, ideas, gun ownership, violence, etc
Yes falling off the roof is not a fun time. I realize that each time I could have been seriously hurt. The fact that I wasn't just proves your point. The falling through the unsheathed part was a perfect example of that. I was fine doing what I was doing but have a conversation and driving screws was a bad idea. Hence basically more work redoing the ceiling. The first good fall was utter stupidity. Breaking up an ice dam and then completely not thinking that the ladder would be covered in ice and snow. Dumb! The second time I was just too complacent and was blowing leaves and got off balance thanks to the leaf blower. It was one of those dumb things. I could have left the leaf blower fall or I thought I can correct this. Well it didn't work out that way. Actually the leaf blower did get saved, it got caught up on the gutter but there I was, laying on the ground again. You are laying there thinking did I just suffer massive internal injuries or am I just going to be sore as all hell. The last time which was two years ago was completely somebody else's fault. A roofer none the less. He was flashing my sky lights and I have no idea what he was thinking. He actually put his knee on one, I saw this from about 10 feet away and came running. I knew he was going right through and as the glass was breaking and falling onto my dining room table I grabbed his arm. This gave him time to grab the roof but his shirt tore and I was in a bad way. Totally off balance, falling backwards down the slope of the roof. I dropped on instinct but that thing called momentum and gravity was having no part of it. About five feet from the edge I was flat on my back sliding headfirst towards the edge. Grabbing and trashing the gutter slowed me a bit but sure enough on the ground again. Just so you know this is not a common occurrence, this has happened over a span of 19 years. Anyway enough of my issues with my roof.

Yes anybody who writes an article called Common Sense II is definitely going to draw some heat or be ignored. Being from Illinois I have a different opinion. I live in Dupage County which is a predominately Republican County. Our ballots are still basically you vote the whole Democrat or Republican slate. Trying to vote for individuals regardless of party is purposely made difficult. If you dare put a Democrat sign on your lawn chances are it will last two days tops. My point of all this is even though our President is a Democrat and Illinois is a blue State, the first time around he lost in my County and the second time he barely won. The State of Illinois is broken, the whole country is broken. This bipartisanship thing has gotten way out of hand and threatens to destroy our country. Yet other then friends, close neighbors or family you cannot even talk politics. Even then it can a bit dicey. Like I have stated, I do not agree with some of what you say. I do agree with the fact that regardless of who will actually win, you vote for the best candidate. The problem is for many years it has become voting for the lesser of two evils. You vote for someone else and even though it might be considered a wasted vote, you have still exercised your fundamental right to vote for who you think is best. At 47 I am a bit younger then you but seeing a bunch of my nephews and his friends being so adamant about Ron Paul was encouraging. They were volunteering and getting their word out. Whether you think he would have been better or worse is not the point. The fact that a bunch of 20 somethings being so passionate and realizing that change was needed was encouraging. These are the same kids who are going to their friends funerals because they are dying in a war that makes no sense. None of it did, Iraq was a joke and promises were made that everybody would be coming home from Afghanistan. Just not in body bags. Do I think that the Constitution will be rewritten? Not in our lifetime. There would have to be an all out civil war. Without have read most of what you have written we could be miles apart. After I have read some of it I totally agree. You have no right to privacy outside of your house. Well in a public bathroom. There are no simple answers, it is a sword that cuts both ways, I have had a local cop actually pull his sidearm during a polite conversation in my yard. Basically I had enough of my neighbor pilling his leaves against my wood fence, told him politely that one more barrelful and I would call the police. The fence is on my property and the rotting leaves were really taking a toll on the one section. Then bam he slams his wheel barrel into the fence not thinking for a moment I would actually call. I did, the police showed up, one officer was talking to him and the younger officer was talking to me in my yard. I had a copy of my survey and it was a polite conversation. This was 4 years ago and that neighbor was just a mean sneaky old dude from the day I bought my house. He hated my fence, tough I have a dog and want a little privacy in my yard. The way the yard is set up there is dog run around the edge, it is all big round stones and gets cleaned daily. The dog is never just left out. I am either at the door or with her in the run and the yard is for play. The cop thought it was a pretty cool setup. He asked about my dog. I said she's a 80lb Belgian Sheppard but don't worry she's in the house and on top of that she has passed the AKC good citizenship test(CGC). The next thing I know he's patting his gun. "We have ways of dealing with dog attacks". Then he actually upholstered it and my immediate reaction was like please holster your sidearm, there is no reason to have it unholstered. He was like I have right to do this. I responded "you are out of your F****** mind". You are on my property, I pose no danger to you and you are waving that around like its a toy. At this point the other cop was at my gate and screamed "is everything alright in there?" I walked outside of my gate, told the other cop to get the watch commander here now, that this was totally unacceptable behavior. He got on the radio and about 5 minutes later a Sargent showed up. He was the watch commander. To condense this I told him my side of the story, he talked to the cop outside the gate who said it was very possible, then he talked to the cop who was obviously oblivious to what his actual powers were. He freely admitted that he was waving his gun around but tried to defend it with his dog attack excuse. The Sargent asked me if I wanted go to the station and file a report. I asked the cop who went from cool to dangerous if he had learned that his gun was not a toy and he smarted off. I went and filed a report and a month later there was a hearing. It turns out that 1) The cop was still in his probationary period and 2) He had done this twice before. He was terminated with a strong suggestion that he not be a LEO. To this day 4 years later I have not gotten any grief, as a matter of fact a couple cops said good, it was a matter of time before this rookie made a big mistake that would cost a life and the village money. While most LEOS are great cops, some just do not belong. This was one.

That's part of the problem of tightening our rights, we very well could become a Police State and there are some cops that just shouldn't be cops. Just to site an example closer to you. On August 25, 2012 two New York Police officers shot 9 innocent bystanders outside The Empire State Building. Now you will call this propaganda but I saw the video leading up to the shooting. I also have had an NRA ranking since I was 11 years old. There are 10 simple rules. Rule #4 states know what is behind what you are shooting at. In this case it happened to be a crowd of innocent people. In reviewing the tape and personal accounts of what happened a year and a half ago I believe it could have been handled differently. The two officers knew who they were after and were right on him from behind. He had no clue they were on him until one of them yelled "stop police"! That is from eyewitness accounts. Had they waited 2 seconds and not yelled he never would have turned with his gun. He could of been tackled or shot without 9 innocent people being injured. 3 were shot by them and 6 others were hit by fragments. They were both veteran officers. You may think I have a bias from my experience four years ago. That is not the case. I firmly believe that 2 seconds could have prevented unnecessary victims. Once he turned with the gun they had no choice but to open fire. Another thing is in a fire fight if you have time seek solid cover. If you have no time you double tap twice center mass. A lot easier said then done but you don't let 16 rounds fly. That's why the police train. Don't get me wrong many officers would have emptied their Glocks completely. All the training in the world will not prepare you for a real situation. The point that shooter never got a shot off just sort of proves that it was an overreaction. Believe me four to the chest and you're dead on your feet. Do I think they should be kicked off the force? No. Do I think it could have been handled differently? Yes. These are some of the differences you and I have but should not prevent us from dialoging. Anyway I have to go and get some chores done. Get back to me with your take when you have time. Gibco65 (talk) 20:48, 2 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Issues like policing the police will continue to be an issue, including under the current arrangement or under a new one. Thank you for sharing your views with me. At our ages, neither of us should be on roofs! :)--Tomwsulcer (talk) 21:24, 2 November 2013 (UTC)


 * True but I have a Crimson and a HUGE Sugar Maple that grow over my house. They have to be trimmed, leaves have to be cleaned or clogged gutters ensue. The roof itself is two years old and looks awesome. Someone has to do it and it's not going to be a roofer! I saved that guys life. Believe me I am much more cautious up there. As for your policing the police I just want you to know that I am not anti-police. I have many first cousins and friends who are cops, those were just two examples of where bad judgment was shown. Nobody was killed but could have been. I'm not a gun nut, would never shoot a living thing but love to match shoot. The major problem in part IMO is honest citizens such as myself following the laws while the criminals do not. I'm not calling for a wild west mindset but if you ever spend time in Indiana they have a whole different atmosphere. You assume that most are armed, hence they have a lot less violence then in Illinois. Chicago is out of control and on it's way to being the murder capital of the US again. We have the FOID act which many complain about but I personally have no problem with. Its not perfect but keeps the guns out of the hands of most loose nuts. The background check is more thorough to even get a gun then Indiana's check for concealed carry. Our FOID act is what they want to implement nationwide. I have already passed a complete background check so it doesn't bother me in the least bit. The problem is you are never going stop someone with a insane agenda. An example would be what happened at LAX. A disturbed individual who had a nonsense "New World Order" obsession. 23 years old, wanting to die and take some people with him. His family had a weeks notice that something was wrong with him and yet did nothing. Who's at fault other then the shooter? Gibco65 (talk) 04:06, 3 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Be careful on that roof! I understand the arguments for and against gun ownership. My essay did not explicitly advocate for either gun control or gun ownership, although personally I would prefer a world in which private citizens did not have or carry handguns. Rather, I see a larger overriding issue about movement in public (outside our homes), that is, I think what people do in public should be tracked and recorded but this information should be kept behind strong privacy fences, and if this publicly-held private information was abused, there would be ways to track the abuse, and punish the abusers. I realize this is a tough order but if implemented properly, I think crime would practically become nonexistent, except, of course, as you rightly point out, for the occasional nut who grabs a weapon and goes on a rampage in public. So, if implemented, and legislators decided to allow handguns, then this could happen, but they probably would not be needed much for defense against criminals, because public movement was exposed. I imagine there would be much greater exposure in more concentrated urban areas than in lesser populated rural areas or mountainous regions.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 14:43, 3 November 2013 (UTC)


 * It's an interesting take but it would result in a full out civil war. Being in Illinois, the State Police know I have guns and exactly what they are and the serial numbers. The criminals and gangbangers, not at all. As of 6 AM only 8 people were shot in Chicago. A pretty quiet weekend. My point is even the police encourage responsible gun ownership. Case in point I (yes even me) have been pulled over. The police are right at your window. You explain every movement you are going to make so nobody gets nervous. You get to that point where you are "I'm going to take my seatbelt off and my wallet is in my right rear pocket". You get your wallet and with your drivers license is your FOID card. Its in plain view and 90% of cops see it. You would think that would kick up the anxiety factor for the police but actually the reverse is true. They don't see you as someone who may have a loaded gun, they see you as an honest citizen who has passed a very thorough background check. Most of them actually point out that they saw your FOID card. Unless you were doing something really stupid, the traffic stop ends right then and there. The last time this happened I was pulled over by an Illinois State Trooper for going 12 mph over, he saw the FOID card and said you are free to go. At that point the stop is over, you can go. I had to ask. You aren't even going to check my record? No, in 17 years of being a Trooper I have found that if someone has a Drivers License, insurance and a FOID card that they have made a mistake and everyone is entitled to a mistake now and then. It was a actually a pretty cool traffic stop. I was respectful, he was respectful and the FOID card proved to him that I was not a criminal, mentally ill, wanted for warrants. I was speeding to pass a convoy of boats on a two lane road. I was also speeding because the left lane is for passing. The second that you are arrested, flip out and end up with a 72 hour hold or are reported by a doctor to be possibly unbalanced, the local Sherriff eventually comes and gets your guns. The key word there is eventually. That is the only problem I have with the Illinois system. As for what we do in public, there is quite a bit of that now. Not to the extent that you propose but if you are on a tollway you have I-Pass. The information they gather cannot be used against you but everytime you go through a toll smile for the camera and the transponder timestamp. If you were accused of something you can subpoena this info. The same goes for your smartphone. It tracks your movements to the nearest tower. Getting back to the gun thing, there is no way to actually know how many guns there are in the US. Most estimates say between 300 - 400 million. Either figure could be off by a 100 million. Now as a law abiding citizen I am not giving up my guns. I have a RIGHT to own them. I, under any circumstances will not allow that RIGHT to be tampered with. I'm pretty mellow about it. Most people know that as a society as a whole we are better armed then anybody who would infringe on that right. Talk to some cops, that includes them. Nobody is taking away anyone's guns, not without a full blown civil war which would destroy this country. That's my take on it. Gibco65 (talk) 01:36, 4 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I understand you feel gun ownership is a right which you feel strongly about, such that if, say, society decided that citizens were not allowed to own guns, and if police came to your door asking you to surrender your gun, that you would fight (shoot the police?), or ally with other citizens who felt the way you do, and start a civil war, so you can keep your alleged right. In the context of today's world, in which there are criminals, armed, in which government does a haphazard job of protecting people and preventing violence, then one can make a case that gun ownership is needed for those instances in which there is unfortunately murder, theft, robbery and other sorts of violence by some citizens on other citizens, which government does not prevent.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 11:58, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Consider, however, that if we live in a society where all public movement is monitored and tracked and recorded, yet the information is kept private via strong privacy fences and only used to prevent violence, then there will be very little need for you or any private citizen to own a gun. Violence will be prevented in almost all cases, and in the few instances in which it did happen (ie a neighbor uses a kitchen implement to harm another neighbor) then the violators would be caught with close to 100% certainty (and knowing the certainty of capture and punishment, almost all people would not commit violence). In such a world, then, it would not make sense for any private citizen to walk around with a concealed or identified handgun, or even to have one at home, since violence has already been prevented, and the existence of the handgun in your possession would merely serve to possibly scare or intimidate other citizens, or increase the odds that yourself or others carrying weapons in public, might injure more people more quickly, or cause self-injury, or enable a suicide by oneself or a family member. A handgun is a walking symbol that the handgun-carrying person does not trust government, does not trust fellow citizens to observe the law, is prepared to act as sole prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner if they believe they are being attacked. A handgun is like a liquid government in one's hand, a primitive one, with power to execute persons instantly without any wait on death row, without oversight, without discussion or reasoning, without impartial questioning by judges and juries. You, yourself, may have excellent control over your weapon, possibly because of your previous police training, but I think we can imagine others who may lack such control, or who were recently angry about something, or who have a mental issue (hard to identify), such as the disturbed person at Los Angeles airport recently who killed a TSA agent, or the teenaged-minded persons detonating bombs at the Boston Marathon last year.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 11:58, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Basically, we live in a society in which we have a compact with other citizens, that we surrender our powers to kill, prosecute, and judge to the overall collective effort and live under a system of law, where the law rules, not us as individuals. We choose to live in such a world; it is a smart choice; there are numerous benefits. In this world, law decides the boundaries between the right of one citizen versus another. If a right is a sphere of possible future action around an individual which others recognize beforehand, then a law is the boundary between one person's sphere of future action and another's; for example, a person has a right to swing their arms but does not have a right to hit another, then the boundary (law) has been crossed, etc. What I am saying is that it is society through the institution of law that decides where these boundaries are, and that society could decide that concealed or handguns should not be carried in public or even that guns should not be in homes. If it happens to pass that a system of identified movement in public becomes our world (what I advocate -- including a revamped Constitution and with Americans once again becoming real citizens as I understand it -- a tall order which will probably not happen any time soon, I realize) and then and only then if law collectively decided that people should not own guns, then citizens should turn over their guns, including you, since it would make a safer world. I think people would agree. In the meantime, I understand why you might wish to keep your gun. :)--Tomwsulcer (talk) 15:03, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Well in Illinois we wont have concealed carry until Jan 1st. Right now you can take classes to prepare. The State of Illinois was forced to do this by a Federal Court. I actually do get where you are coming from, in simplest terms handguns are made for shooting other people. There are a bunch of us that do enjoy competitive shooting though. I shoot at paper targets, nothing else. I see a mentality which has gotten worse over the last few months. Lots of people at the shooting range shooting at silhouettes of people. Never really cared for that. If I can shoot a bull's-eye at 50 feet, rest assured I can hit someone if I wanted anywhere I want BUT that is last thing I would want to do. I'm not some person who shoots with some motive that a piece of paper is a person. There are many who do. Obama Bin Laden Targets had been the rage for years. Now to address your first part of this, if I had done something that would have the police knocking on my door to take my guns, unless I had some mental heath issue I would hand them over but I would already have done that to someone else with a FOID card. On the other hand if the police came to my house to just take my guns because the Second Amendment was violated, well that is really a fantasy point. It would never happen, if it did we already be in a civil war and more then likely the police would be making sure I was armed. Just for kicks since I think everyone on my block is a responsible gun owner, there would be shootouts going on already. I wouldn't be waiting for knock on the door. My neighbor has a FFL. Plus your take on true citizens is interesting. Most people who have been or are in the military consider you to be a civilian unless you have served. If you have served then you are a citizen. I do understand what you want. I disagree with a lot of the NRA type propaganda and am no longer a card carrying NRA member. The argument that I can make which does hold water is this: Most normal people with guns do not commit crimes with guns. Most normal people with cars do not commit real crimes, I.E. a speeding ticket is not the same as running people over on purpose. In that sense which goes to your kitchen implement point. If you go out and run somebody over, you most likely will be caught. A person with a handgun really is no different then someone just driving a car except owning a gun is a Right and driving a car is a privilege. Neither one implies lack of trust of government. We have laws in place that if you feel that if you feel that your life or someone else's life is in imminent danger then you can exercise any use up to and including killing a person. You can use a car, gun, your hands but there must be a clear danger that cannot be avoided. This is much different then "Stand your ground". Imminent danger is always grounds for self defense while Stand your ground is on a state by state basis. I personally think that if you are able to walk away then do so. Basically I'm not a big believer in Stand your ground except for when it applies to the castle doctrine which I think even you would agree to. If someone breaks into your home meaning to do you or your family harm then you kill them, no questions asked. I don't care if you have to throw your cat at them. No state will prosecute you. Nor will any state if you really felt that there was imminent danger in public. Lets just say that Illinois is going to be a much more interesting place after Jan 1st. You see waving a gun around without reason will get you shot. In my life I had LEO waving a gun around without reason and he was terminated. Many people already feel that the government is already too involved in our rights to move around freely. I disagree. If I am up to no good then yes I would be a bit worried. Being that I'm law abiding I realize that I have no expectation of privacy outside of my home. Even that comes into question. My cable company knows exactly what I watch because my cable boxes tell them, hell on Wikipedia I think I was "acquitted" of wrongdoing with my IP address. If you could get the public to buy rewriting the constitution, then yes we would live in a better and safer place. That just would not happen. We are stuck with what we have. The problem lies with our society. Canada has a lot of guns per person yet they don't have anywhere near the gun crimes we do. Like I said "Our Nation is Broken" and there are no simple answers. I wish there were. Gibco65 (talk) 10:01, 7 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for sharing your viewpoint, I understand where you are coming from. I agree it is unlikely that things will change. Not sure what FFL or FOID or LEO means. Interesting the idea of 'civilian' vs 'citizen'; I didn't know that but it rings right to me. My sense of citizenship is one of participation, involvement with politics at the local level, staying informed, really knowing our representatives, learning about the issues, showing up, voting, being there; there are a bunch of reasons why Americans have become divorced from politics (I traced out what happened). My view is that if government bullies specific citizens, unfairly, without cause or without due process of law, then the real protection for that citizen or citizens is not a gun in the home but rather being connected with other citizens. It should be an obligation of citizenship that citizens look out for one another's safety if government becomes tyrannical -- notifying each other, reviewing what happened, following up -- and if this did happen, then the proper (first) course of action should be protest; if we lived in a society where people were real citizens and in which citizens did pay attention to each other and to local government, and did understand the proper relations between citizenship and government, then this protest (with help from lawyers) would surely be enough to prevent any abuse by government towards specific citizens. I am not a fan of more extreme steps such as civil war but I can see how that this might be a last resort if every other legal means failed and if the stakes were very high. About answers -- I do think there is a simple answer, namely, revised Constitution (not easy to do; there are dangers here too), but I agree this is extremely unlikely to happen.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 11:17, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Sorry but have to give you a Wikipedia scold on those three, FFL, FOID and LEO are all on here. Basically A FFL is a Federal Firearms License and the background check is pretty much an anal probe. They can transfer firearms from state to state. If I went to say Cabelas in Indiana 2 miles over the border to have the gun legal in Illinois I would need a FFL to complete the transfer and pay them a fee. A FOID is a Illinois Firearm Owners Identification Card. That background check is more of a prostate exam. Its roots go back to the Nazi Weapons Act of 1938. A matter of fact some paragraphs are verbatim. The extreme Right opposes it but I feel that it is a system that should be implemented Nationally. You can read a biased link about it here: http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=3390 A LEO is a cop (Law Enforcement Officer) and if you want to know who has a bunch of guns, go to a cops house. Anyway by explaining FOID it should make more sense of my traffic stop story. Most cops who see a FOID card are put at a greater sense of ease rather then be like, OMG there is probably a gun in the car. Because they know that if there is, it is locked in the trunk or a case unloaded. That all being said now we are going to have concealed carry which you think is a bad thing. I think for right now it is a bad thing, Indiana's has been in place for years and they are rather casual about it. Like I said I'm not for people running around waving guns around. This does not happen in Indiana much. Basically there are not many stories of people at Walmart getting into arguments and pulling guns. In Illinois I have witnessed some of these concealed carry classes and it could be a wild west mentality for a while. The latest news is there will be no permits issued until at least April. Some of the 'Instructors" of these classes have accidentally shot themselves. Sounds like some of them are real qualified. I have taught many people how to properly shoot including people from ICE to security from El Al. That's another long story for later.

I am in no way a conspiracy nut. On the other hand I know what I saw. You have people claiming that the whole Sandy Hook thing is a lie or there were actors and no dead children. To make my self perfectly clear before I go any further I think what happened was a tragedy that actually made me, a grown man cry. That evening on the national news, I saw the police take the rifle out of the trunk of the car. I saw this with my own eyes. Do I think that anyone but Adam Lanza was involved? No. I believe he acted alone but the AR15 did not come into play. You can look on YouTube and see the broadcasts of the police taking the gun out of the trunk of the car. He shot all those children with a handgun. He took out the 6 adults and then killed the children. What happened afterwards is subject to debate. Then the parents of these innocent children, slaughtered by a maniac went on a PR campaign against "assault rifles". I ask you this, how long would you grieve if your 6 year old was gunned down at school? Yet most of these parents went out on a Obama PR tour touting how AR15s were bad within a month. The truth of the matter they are. They are not a great gun. Strictly from a tactical standpoint, there are much better "assault rifles" to use if you are going on a mentally ill killing spree. Many more would have been killed at Aurora if an civilian version of an AK 47 had been used. Its harsh but it's a fact. Back to Sandy Hook, they are still fighting about the funds raised. Almost a year later and it comes down to $281,000 for your dead child. That all being said you can Google it and there are plenty of people who claim that it never happened. I am not saying that. I despise it. It happened, but I SAW the police take the AR15 out of the trunk of the car that evening and then these parents went on a Air Force One PR campaign. Basically I believe what happened after was borderline Tyranny and a personal crusade. It split the sides even more. Did it take away my belief in the system? No that was already broken but the fact that Obama wanted something and the Republicans said no just because he wanted it was a very twisted checks and balances. Far from perfect but it worked.

As for the citizen vs. civilian that is something they teach in the Marines. My response to this is rubbish. One of the biggest spouters of this is a person who was a screw up, ended up in the Marines and doesn't even vote. Not to mention he wasn't enlisted when anything went down. As friends we can joke about it but it is like you were in from 84-88. You have Semper Fi over everything. Where were you in '91 when it hit the fan? Oh working for UPS. Yeah OK tell me all about war and firefights, you never left the country. It's a moot point but I thought you would find it interesting.

Onto the my last point, a revised Constitution. The stakes are VERY high. So high it would be impossible to do peacefully, The government and the civilians would both scoff at such an idea. You would have to convince the people to destroy what this country was founded on. I just don't see that ever happening. To sum it up if it were to happen would you be the one to break the glass and burn our Constitution? The same document that many took an oath to honor both in spirit and to the letter? The same that millions died for? The backbone of our country? Would you strike the match that burned it? Food for thought.Gibco65 (talk) 14:52, 8 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Interesting. About the Constitution, I would revamp it, keep the good stuff, fix the broken stuff. I believe it can be revamped, peacefully, if sharp non-partisan minded folks got together and proposed a document later voted on by the people (with a 10-year provision that if it wasn't working in 10 years, the old Constitution would be in effect). The Constitution itself says it can be amended; what I am talking about is a lot of amendments. Here is my proposed revised Constitution which has (1) improved foreign policy (eg less Vietnams --foreign policy is a huge weakness with the current Constitution in my view) (2) citizenship spelled out as an active relation chosen by person and government (3) term limits for congress and Supreme Court (4) expanded states powers in a federal system (5) privacy rights (6) much stronger prevention of terrorism (properly understood as three types) (7) tax reform (8) parliamentary multi-party arrangement (better representation for voters). It would be a huge stimulus to the economy too, get people working again. If it passed, I'd simply put the new Constitution beside the old one; tourists would love to see them. No need to burn anything, my friend.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 16:12, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

I have read your proposed "Second Constitution" and have drawn some conclusions. The chances of you ending up in Gitmo is much more of a possibility. So lets go through it. "I would revamp it", No it's WE the people and always will be so it would be we would revamp it. Second of all I could see a Supreme Court Judge actually executing you. While the Constitution does allow for amendments, you actually expect politicians to give up their cushy jobs? Remember that First Amendment gives you the right to express this but your chances of disappearing from existence are far greater then anything you propose. It would never come to a civil war because you would be done in by the politicians first. I'm sorry but you have to a greater understanding of the political process then you actually do. On a crazy notion say you could get some people in higher power to agree to this which would NEVER happen, you would all be arrested and disappear. While you see it as reform, others would see it as an act of lunacy. I mean it's interesting but basically you would be calling for an overthrow of Government and subversion of a Constitution. At the very least that's sedition. That's all very meaningless because if you had a movement in place, you would basically just disappear. You assume that the Government would play fair and follow the Bill of Rights. I doubt they would. They would simply kill you and be done with it. If the next President was your brother or sister, this still would happen. That's assuming that you get a movement going. More then likely you would be ignored, your mental health status would be challenged and you would be made to look like you belong in a tinfoil hat. Those are the cold hard facts. Any real change would have to come from a civil war and that's treason. That would require an act on the Governments part so stupid that that would not happen. Today, 2 hours ago I saw a peaceful protest on an overpass. It was Overpasses for Obama’s Impeachment and against the Affordable Care Act. People were hanging banners and traffic was greatly affected. They were exercising their First Amendment Right but were also causing quite the traffic jam. The Police were there. They watched as they hung signs, but then something happened. A traffic accident. Then another. At that point public safety overtook the Right to Assemble. They were ordered to disband and leave. They had become a safety hazard. I mean I only saw a little, I was stuck in traffic but it was put to an end. I talked to a friend who is a local reporter when it was going on but he was quite busy. The banners were taken down by police and the spectacle was over. The little crowd on the overpass was moved. I have really have no idea how much force was used. I will know more as it becomes available but my question is: Were their rights violated?Gibco65 (talk) 01:46, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Arbitrary break (about roofs, constitutions, protests, etc)

 * I disagree my proposing a revised Constitution would cause me to "disappear", be executed by Supreme Court judges or end up in Gitmo. Supreme Court judges do not execute people. Are you implying that they might uphold a lower court sentencing me for treason or sedition? It is hard for me to imagine a judge punishing me for simply proposing an alternative constitution, by free speech (protected by the Bill of Rights), peacefully, for purposes of discussion. Your worries are absurd. Further, you misinterpret my intentions, saying that only I would revamp the Constitution (as if this was possible); of course any revision would be a consensus effort involving many others, would go through approved processes (votes by state legislatures e.g.), be approved by the public in a referendum; all I have done is propose an initial draft. The Constitution itself asserts that it can be changed via amendments; all I am doing is proposing many at once.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 11:42, 9 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree that any substantive change is highly unlikely, but not because some power elites would not permit any change and would therefore kill off opposition, but rather because government has become so complex, with various different and often competing centers of power, with frustration to the point that nothing really gets much done anywhere (such as social security, health care reform, immigration, etc). There are sensible reasonable nonpartisan tax reform proposals such as Fairtax which struggle to get a toehold in the US Congress, and have been struggling for many years, so I do not see how more substantive change could happen in the foreseeable future. Further, I doubt any movement would ever get going, because ordinary citizens are essentially uninvolved consumers focused not on politics but on jobs, shopping, entertainment. Let's face it -- there is much right with the nation overall -- the US has many economic strengths which should not be underestimated or subverted. I see my proposed revamp as protecting and expanding these many good things.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 11:42, 9 November 2013 (UTC)


 * My sense is there is not one monolithic power elite that runs things in Washington, but rather numerous power elites, many unhappy with the present arrangement, and it may come to pass that one or more of these elites begin to see the wisdom of a constitutional revamp, possibly, since substantive reform might be highly consistent with some of their goals (more sensible foreign policy => less war => better for business => more $$ => better governance). Last, you brought up a rather inane example of a street protest in your state, essentially a problem of a balance of rights (rights of drivers vs rights of protesters) for reasons unclear to me about how that relates to this discussion. I would comment that street protests, themselves, are an unfortunate consequence of politics breaking down and that the proper place for reasoned rational discussion about issues is in local assembly halls which my proposed constitution would require. If something along the lines of my proposed constitution were in place, there would be no need for street protests, bumper-sticker advocacy, attack ads on TV, since citizens could debate these issues in a local assembly hall and make good decisions there. If you get tired of traffic delays because of street protests, then you might see the wisdom of a second constitutional convention.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 11:42, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

I understand your passion but I am a realist. The second you were perceived as a danger to the "rather numerous power elites" you would simply disappear. You think that in our wonderful country everyone plays by the "rules". Big hint, they don't. If you could not be discredited, back in the day you became a martyr. Now it is much more sanitized, a perceived threat to the power elites and you simply cease to exist. Like I said they would discredit you more then likely. My inane example was something that had just happened. That was a question to you. Were these peoples Rights under the First Amendment violated? It was not an inane point at all. It was something that happened right before my eyes not a half hour before I typed my response. You had a group of people who were rightfully protesting. They were ordered to leave under the threat of violence. They left. Traffic jam or not I found the whole thing rather interesting because the First Amendment had failed right before my eyes. You see people have strong opinions but when faced with the possibility of being pepper sprayed their opinions really weren't that strong. I feel that their rights were violated. You are basically proposing a Orwell 1984 Big Brother scenario. Basically stripping away basic rights and monitoring everyone's movements. Lets not forget what Orwell said "perhaps" according to Wikipedia. "We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would harm us." That unfortunately would be you in the eyes of the power elites. Someone would visit violence upon you if you were really perceived as a threat. "In our age there is no such thing as “keeping out of politics.” All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia" and never were truer words spoken. That is my point. If the constitution was threatened it would be defended. Amended sure but that's not what you are proposing. You are proposing a rewrite. This country was founded by violence, many died against overwhelming odds. Many died defending it. If you are not prepared to do the same to change the Constitution then no real change will ever happen. Instead you use one of the most influential things ever written, twist it and then call it Common Sense II. Like the Constitution, Common Sense was written 250 years ago and times have changed. We are not face with tyranny from an island far away, we are faced with tyranny from our own Government. No change will come without a full out civil war. You think it can be done peacefully, I say it cannot. That was my inane point. Those people, their point right or wrong were peacefully demonstrating. When faced with violence from Government in the most local form they fled. Had they not they would have been dealt with more violence until they did. Then the ACLU would get involved and the courts would say "great point" case dismissed, you can leave now. Basically the power elites can fight among themselves all they want but the second someone who is not one of them has an issue as big as yours, you can leave now. If you had started this when you were in High School you would not have a chance. Our own President issued Executive Orders and what became of them? Most of the Right had a good laugh. Basically I have no absurd worries because change will never happen as you propose it. The better possibility is our Government will collapse because the National Debt is growing like a fertilized weed. Right now I feel that is the #1 problem. Lets work on that first. We can only print so much money before it is useless. I think that should be priority One.Gibco65 (talk) 14:08, 9 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I have said what I have said. You have said what you have said. Let's agree to disagree. We both have other projects to do, including improving Wikipedia. Enough of this thread. --Tomwsulcer (talk) 15:59, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

I agree but no hard feelings, we just have different opinions. Gibco65 (talk) 00:17, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

TCNJ
Can you please help in mediating at the TCNJ page. User:Jerseyresident ONLY edits TCNJ page and tries to downgrade the reputation of the college. There is a clear conflict of interest. (24.157.56.12 (talk) 13:59, 19 November 2013 (UTC))
 * Everybody has some kind of POV here in Wikipedia, including yourself and myself, such that it is almost impossible to keep our biases out of Wikipedia. Rather, what we can try to do is achieve consensus by way of trying to be neutral, following Wikipedia's rules, and doing our best. There are rules against canvassing other users to try to "win" an editing argument. I urge you and others to try to be detached about the subject -- Wikipedia's purpose is not to tout any college's reputation, but to try to neutrally record what is reported via reliable sources. Also you should consider getting a free account at Wikipedia. I am watching the TCNJ article but am busy with other things.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 14:08, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


 * No one is is trying to downgrade the reputation of any college. I am only seeking to ensure that claims that are made are true and can be substantiated.  That is what an encyclopedia is about.  Every edit I have made had been about ensuring that citations back up the claim, and that the finding of the references are appropriately summarized.  Unfortunately, there appears to be a lot of padding of TCNJ's resume in its Wikipedia article.Jerseyresident (talk) 14:41, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


 * People may I suggest? This stuff belongs on the talk page of TCNJ? Also, consider taking a break for a week? The page is being watched by many people and rest assured that statements that are unsupported may be tagged and deleted forthwith. I just had to write a sentence ending with "forthwith". Even though I have no idea what it means. Just sounds cool.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 15:01, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

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Rutgers photos
Tom...

I'm planning to use several of your Rutgers photos in my upcoming revamp of Voorhees Mall. Someone pointed me to one of your photos of the Schanck Observatory (it took me weeks to no avail to find a recent free use image, so I settled for one from 1901 and your shot of it was just waiting on commons to be used). I took the opportunity to see what other Rutgers images you've taken that haven't been used and found many that I could put to good use.

One request: If you can get a day in the next few weeks to visit the Geology Museum at Geology Hall--I'm 90 minutes away and it's hard to find a day to get down to New Brunswick. The museum director denied my request to use some of their photos, and I'd like to get some images of their exhibits--especially the mummy, the mastodon, the dinosaur tracks, etc. I'm planning to bring Geology Hall to FAC early next year, and I'd like to add a gallery of images. I've recently been working on Queens Campus as well--and Voorhees Mall is next.

Thanks again. --ColonelHenry (talk) 18:02, 20 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Great ColonelHenry! Glad photos are being seen. I made a list of the photos requested and I'll try, but next time I plan to be in the area will be mid-January. I'll keep the list in my wallet so hopefully I do not forget. I'm 60 minutes away approx. Great job on these articles btw. Seasons greetings too!--Tomwsulcer (talk) 21:02, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I didn't realize you were so far away from New Brunswick. Thought you were local. ;) Are you north or south of NB? I'm about 90 minutes to the northwest. Best wishes for a Happy Christmas!--ColonelHenry (talk) 22:55, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
 * P.S. my Voorhees Mall workup is here: User:ColonelHenry/sandbox/sandbox6‎. Planning to put in the namespace sometime in January.--ColonelHenry (talk) 22:57, 20 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Cool workup. Looks great. I live in Summit, New Jersey, like 8:30 on a clock if Manhattan is the center. You have great photos. If I can help, let me know; busy with other stuff these days, haven't revamped any articles in a while.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 23:07, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I know Summit well. Pass through it several days a week on the train. I'm several miles off exit 12 on I-80 (although it might take just as much time from Exit 19 or 25).--ColonelHenry (talk) 23:47, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The name "Summit" is a bit of a real-estate exaggeration. More of a mound, a slight hill. You'd think it would host major conferences between world leaders, but no, it has a Starbucks.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 00:25, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Danielle Miraglia for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Danielle Miraglia is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Danielle Miraglia until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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 * Yes, I know. Nominating my own article for deletion, unfortunately. Hoped the subject would grow as an artist.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 17:20, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Foodscaping

 * Oh, thanks, I'll put this on my pile! And maybe one of these days I'll go ahead and get a barn.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 17:41, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hey there, and thanks for adding to Citizens for Self-Governance. I've been seeing a lot of stories in the news about calls for constitutional conventions and I'm doing what I can to bolster our info here on WP. Question for you: I'm having trouble clearly differentiating between these two pages: Second Constitutional Convention of the United States and Convention to propose amendments to the United States Constitution. There is definitely a lot of overlap. Maybe that's not a problem. Or else perhaps all of the contemporary efforts to call a second convention should be in one place? That may leave gaps on one page, however. There's probably too much material for a merge to make sense. Anyway, I was just thinking about this and wondered if you had any thoughts on "what goes where." Thanks! Safehaven86 (talk) 22:03, 21 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Hey you're welcome. Hmmmm. Good question. Definitely overlap. The Convention to propose amendments to the United States Constitution article gets 150 pageviews per day, the Second Constitutional Convention of the United States gets maybe 50 pageviews per day, so if combined, the latter one should probably be merged into the first. If there is any substantive difference, it might be this: the Second Constitutional Convention.. article would be about a convention proposed to essentially rewrite the Constitution, whereas the Convention to propose... article is more about when a convention is proposed to add an amendment, or several amendments. So I am not sure what people will decide, but merging the articles might take some time.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:17, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, the 1787 Constitutional Convention started out as a group to propose amendments to the Articles of Confederation, but quickly turned into an effort to rewrite the whole kit'n kaboodle.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:44, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

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Suspect photo
I'm not familiar with how Commons deletes pictures that are copyvio/nonfree, but if you could take a look at File:Geoffrey hill- 2014-02-13 17-24.jpg, I'd appreciate it. The photograph is from Chris Floyd, a noted British portrait photog, and it does appear on the Poetry Foundation website similarly cropped. It popped up two days ago by a user claiming its his own work, and it looks like it's cropped from an image that too many places uses...as well as other sites:,. I don't know...do we needs Floyd's permission, or is it a publicity shot that isn't considered copyrightable but here would need attribution? I wish I knew more about WP:IUP and this area.--ColonelHenry (talk) 19:57, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not well versed in Commons copyright issues but how about if we post links on the talk page of the photo file?--Tomwsulcer (talk) 20:06, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I saw this and nominated it for deletion on Commons as a probable copyvio. DES (talk) 20:14, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 20:17, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks to both of you. --ColonelHenry (talk) 20:33, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes but if we divy up the thanks, DES should get 95%, I'll take 5% if that is okay with everybody, like a fragment of the last s maybe.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 21:27, 15 February 2014 (UTC) And maybe 50%+ of the thanks should go to you Colonel for spotting this. You should be toasted at a dinner party perhaps.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 21:28, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * You deserve to get a bonus for being the kind of guy that people like talk-page-stalking. :) Are we up to 200% yet?--ColonelHenry (talk) 21:43, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Bonus for being a talk page stalkee? I will not turn down thank you percentages I suppose, but I still think you and DES are the superheroes here, like when Wikipedia comes out with tights and capes, you guys will get all expenses paid uniforms with your handles on them, maybe even toolbelts like Batman's Utility Belt, while I might get a pencil perhaps which, of course, I will continue to brag about.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 21:50, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Why was an edit removed...
Hello, I was wondering if you could tell me why this edit was undone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dating&action=edit&undoafter=595013815&undo=595285671

The point of the reference is to indicate that matchmaking professionals are being spotlighted on television. The sentence references the show and how "dating" appears on television, but without any context what's the relevance? By linking to the Wikipedia page of the host/executive producer/creator/matchmaker it will indicate to the user that there are dating professionals who have made the leap into mainstream media thanks to the growing popularity of the dating industry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.185.21.146 (talk) 02:08, 18 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Please see this. The Wikipedia community has enacted rules against spam and advertising and the "reference" was a link to a for-sale site to promote matchmakers. I did not make these rules against spam but I support them, and I think you will too, if you enjoy the encyclopedia for its information and like how it is (mostly) ad-free, akin to driving down a highway with (hopefully few) billboards -- don't you appreciate this like everybody else? -- but I understand how it can be difficult when an ad that you would want to see, to promote a cause perhaps close to your interests, such as your mastermatchmakers site, it removed. Further, if I had not removed it, somebody else would have in short order; if you look at the history of the page, you will see it happening again and again -- people adding links to businesses, and these links being removed. It is all part of the process.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 14:04, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Geology Hall pt 2
Would you like to share a FAC nomination for Geology Hall? I'd be glad to address the FAC reviewer's concerns regarding prose repairs, etc., but given the contribution of photos that really make that article come alive, I would like to give you some credit for your work and include you as my co-nominator. Let me know, I'm preparing it for FAC soon.--ColonelHenry (talk) 23:09, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I've never done FAC stuff before, I do not know what it entails, but if you need my help, please tell me what to do to be helpful. My sense is you're the prime mover and shaker behind the article, and the photos are only a small addition, so I think you deserve the lion's share, if not all, of the credit, but let me know what I can do to be helpful. I am busy with several other pressing projects in the next few weeks -- a renovation, plus a book revision -- so I probably won't be able to put much time into anything until these are over.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 23:17, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll take care of whatever transacts at FAC, but I think you deserve part of the honour. The photos make a considerable difference in the reader's enjoyment of the article, before it was just my boring words--the pictures were a drastic improvement.--ColonelHenry (talk) 00:07, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Well thank you. I appreciate it. I am bowing within my mind and almost knocking some chairs over.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 12:15, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Photo request
Since you seem to have ventured to NB lately, wonder of you might have any photos to add to or would be interested to create new ones for List of tallest buildings in New Brunswick. much thanks Djflem (talk) 23:09, 24 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Next time I'm in New Brunswick, I'll try to snap photos of buildings there if convenient to do so, and I'll try to remember to post a link to your page. Might be in six weeks or so.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 02:32, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Boraie
Can I draw you attention to this: Articles for deletion/Boraie Development?


 * Generally not a good idea to canvass regarding article disputes. Generally, as in all things Wikipedia, your best bet is to follow Wikipedia's excellent rules: you know, reliable sources, reference, NPOV, etc etc.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 16:54, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Big Data
Thank you for your direction on this page. it was very helpful. I have found a third party source for the information. I tried to mention this in my revision summary, but it did not appear. My apologies. Stuartzs (talk) 13:07, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Congrats
Geology Hall, with your help, photographs, and hard work, was promoted to FA status yesterday evening, 13 April 2014.--ColonelHenry (talk) 04:42, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Excellent job getting Geology Hall to FA! Thanks for saying thanks for my (minimal) contribution. Wikipedia is lucky to have excellent contributors such as yourself who know how to do FA articles.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 08:25, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Mayday PAC
Thanks for your help. I'm sure journalists and others will start editing the page on their own soon enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brian Boyko (talk • contribs) 23:59, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 * What I've found is that following Wikipedia's rules works best all around, that is, the article will be more effective, believable, powerful, with excellent sourcing, impartiality, trust me on this.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 00:46, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

James T. Butts, Jr
I would like to a add a more complete biography but it keeps getting removed. How can I accomplish this? There are also some inflammatory portions from sources considered non-reputable locally that I would like to remove or challenge in some way. Any help would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MorningsideCitizen (talk • contribs) 17:36, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * First, please learn to sign your posts with two dashes and four tildes like this --~ . Second, Wikipedia has a learning curve; it takes time to learn it; are you willing to invest the time? If so, please read this, this, this, this, this, this, and this. The overarching idea is that individual contributors such as yourself or myself are not paramount, but rather the community's rules govern--rules made by many contributors over time--and respecting these rules means that we can cooperate to write a truly excellent, useful, informative, and powerful encyclopedia. My sense, based on your past removal of referenced content at the article James T. Butts, Jr. is that you have an agenda of furthering this politician's career, and this is fine, provided that you first learn to follow Wikipedia's rules.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 18:19, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for sticking it out with me! I hope you never felt like we were in an argument per se, but rather two editors coming from different positions that are trying to sort it out. It's useful to get a few editors involved to get a broad range of perspectives, especially editors that are veterans on BLP pages.


 * You probably saw my COI disclosure, but I wanted to clarify. I usually represent a lot of corporate marketing departments to help them obtain GA-ranked company pages (the other participants in the BLPN page all know this, but I thought you may not). I'm actually one of our most prolific contributors of highly ranked content about organizations and most of that work was sponsored by the subject of the article themselves. So even if someone merely inquires about my services, as is the case here, I disclose a COI and leave final content decisions up to disinterested editors. This is intended to avoid the appearance of covertly manipulating articles for PR purposes.


 * Just wanted to explain why I have not made edits and have instead sought consensus and used Request Edit. If you have any questions, let me know! CorporateM (Talk) 23:02, 23 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for explaining. Yes I think overall the result is much better, it is good to hash out these issues, so we all can get on the same page.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 23:06, 23 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Yuppers. I appreciate your civility, assumption of good faith and focus on the content. I never know jumping into these types of situations what to expect and it does seem like local politics in that specific city are especially heated (maybe they always are, I have no interest in politics). Regarding the Request Edit you may fulfill it if you are comfortable doing so by copy/pasting the draft into article-space, or if not, it would be useful if you voted or commented on whether you support the proposed draft as other editors may be waiting for any objections. Thanks again! CorporateM (Talk) 23:57, 23 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Look, I know you worked hard on your draft, but many others have been working hard on this article too. My personal sense is your draft is too positive, omits important information such as the CACJ vs Butts court case. Further, swapping in your draft will start the battling all over again. Trust me -- there are many divergent views on this subject, and I do not think you have achieved any kind of consensus. Rather, the Drmies version, in my view, is the best, is least likely to reignite the battling.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 00:39, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Just FYI ...

 * Thanks, but I am far from perfect, I get cranky at times, but I try to be nicer; and it is time, sharp contributors such as yourself who make cogent arguments, and the many folks here smarter and more knowledgeable and politer than me who keep me trying to improve. I appreciate your gesture.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 01:18, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Best seller
"Author of a NY Times bestseller => notable."

Of possible interest ResultSource and NY_Times_Bestseller_list. -- Green  C  02:38, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, thank you, and I agree nothing is perfect, and while book sales are subject to manipulation, overall, a book making the NY Times bestseller list, for whatever reason, indicates (to me) notability (and there were other reasons too for notability in that specific instance, while of course there were problems with the article.)--Tomwsulcer (talk) 11:22, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your hard work!

 * Hey, thanks.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 12:05, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Consider this an oak leaf cluster on that last barnstar, I don't often take time from trying to close AfDs to actually voice my own opinion, but your work at Thumb Tribe was appreciated and very possibly made the difference between a solid article and a deleted one. Well done.  --j⚛e deckertalk 22:42, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, which I'm writing using my four non-thumb digits.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:43, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Two different Paulie Ayalas
I should have caught this but I didn't. After I sent Paulie Ayala (featherweight boxer) to AfD debate you added more information and references. Normally that would be a great thing but in this instance it was from a different Paulie Ayala who confusingly also is a boxer. I don't know why I left it at that point because I did know about it - just did not remember. I think what I should do is revert Paulie Ayala (featherweight boxer) to my June 8th version and resubmit to AfD debate. I am pretty sure the revert is a must (but my paranoia suggests that the wrong one could be changed) but what is your opinion on the AfD submission?Peter Rehse (talk) 15:36, 26 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Think you're right. There is a definite discrepancy; two fighters, same name, one born 1962, another born either 1970 or 1971; the latter one is notable; the first one is probably not. I came across the 1962-Ayala article, saw it up for deletion, added references pointing to the 1970-Ayala, and thought that was that. What I bet is happening is that these fighters or promoters sometimes fudged their ages, possibly to help them qualify for a match, who knows. Look at this reference in the NY Times: talks about a Paulie Ayala, about a 17-year old fighting in 1984, that makes the birth year around 1967, right, in this reference. What a mess. My sense is to move the references from the 1962 Ayala (which belong to the 1970 Ayala), to the pre-existing Paulie Ayala article, then delete all the rest of it. Let me know what I can do to help.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 17:04, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Factlet
Hello, Tomwsulcer. Thank you for your edits to Factoid. It looks as though the relevant content from User:Cnilep/Factlet is now in Factoid, is that right? If there is no further need for the user page it can be deleted, but there might more to merge. Cnilep (talk) 00:43, 28 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes I think that is right. I agree with you that the whole factoid-factlet subject is encyclopedic and notable, and I hope that the redirect page (Factlet => Factoid vs factlet) remains since I think it will be helpful for people. Sometimes, I keep my sandbox pages since I can use them again for other stuff, so I don't know what you wish to do with your User:Cnilep/Factlet page.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 10:05, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Notice of Fringe Theories Noticeboard discussion
Hello, Tomwsulcer. This message is being sent to inform you that a discussion is taking place at Fringe theories/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.-- Ubikwit  連絡見学/迷惑 13:45, 29 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes we'll take the discussion there.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 14:23, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Adding movie/TV credits
Hi! I'm new to Wikipedia and trying to update a page that's in jeopardy of being deleted. Can you tell me what sort of references are considered acceptable to prove an actor appeared on a show or movie? It appears that IMDB isn't considered reliable so does a news story work?

Thanks for your time, Mel7190 (talk) 01:41, 12 July 2014 (UTC) Mel


 * Check out WP:RS. Basic underlying idea is to find sources which are themselves reviewed by others who (hopefully) know about the subject. This is why news organizations, in which reporters have their facts checked, in which editors review the stories, are generally seen as reliable. The IMDb doesn't have this (as far as I'm aware).--Tomwsulcer (talk) 08:49, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Peter Lynds
Hi Tomwsulcer. I came across some comments by you regarding some pages that were up for deletion and thought you were very reasonable and fair. If you have the time and interest, I would suggest the deletion discussion of Peter Lynds' page as being in need of some fairness. SamW2 (talk) 05:53, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Essentially you are asking me to step into an edit war? There are rules against canvassing to try to win adherents in a deletion battle, and by writing on my talk page, you are essentially doing this. I am not qualified to participate in discussions about high-level physics ideas or people, although I spent years trying to work through ideas about philosophy, the cosmos, fate, trying to come to grips with what life is all about, and at this point in my life, I have guesses, but guesses only, and continue to learn, but overall my answer is I don't know. But getting back to Lynds and his ideas: generally Wikipedia is not the place for new ground-breaking ideas (if that is what Lynds' ideas are), that is, let the academic community, physics journals, and such sort out the thinking -- it has gotten some attention apparently by academics -- and when the dust settles, and there are good sources, then maybe Lynds or his ideas can be in Wikipedia, or not, depending on what is determined. Right now, if asked to participate in the deletion discussion, I would probably choose delete based on the history of edit-warring, lack of sources, etc etc.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 08:49, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

If you don't mind...
Hello. Would you mind reviewing what I've done so far with the User:Corkythehornetfan/Jory Collins article? I've taken your suggestions, and I've also added more info. It's a working progress... and just an FYI, I'm not that good of a writer, which you'll probably be able to tell. Thanks,  Corkythehornetfan  Talk 04:48, 29 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you for asking for my view, and I will try to help, although I continue to learn as I go, and I will try to share things I've learned from other Wikipedians. Generally I think you are a competent writer and you have done an excellent job with the infoboxes, coach boxes, references. My sense is, if you float this article in its present state, it will (probably) not get deleted or challenged. If there are any areas of improvement, it might be that you, as a writer, are a bit too close to the subject, almost like a marketing person, assuming Jory Collins is hero-like in terms of college basketball. It might be hard for you to see this, but most people, reading this article, will (probably) not be that enamoured of women's college basketball, Emporia State, coaching, and if they read this article, they may tend to see you as a PR person being the flag-waver for Jory Collins, his press agent, etc, whether you are or are not. Such readers may discredit the article by thinking that you are not impartial (whether you are or you are not impartial). I do not know where Emporia State college is. I don't know what league they play in or how substantial the basketball is (I am clueless about many things unfortunately unless I read up on them.) My hunch is that having a more detached perspective, being aloof from the subject, distancing yourself, trying to see it as a neutral unattached observer, will help you write it better, to be more believable. Like, less is more -- a shorter, more honed article will probably have more oomph. Let the facts of Collins excellent record speak for themselves. Last, I take it as a cue to trust reporters and other secondary sources to cue us in to what is important, interesting. If a reporter doesn't write it, and a Wikipedian does, chances are it is uninteresting to readers of Wikipedia. Like, for example, "Casey is a high school teacher" -- does anybody care about this? Also, using first names in Wikipedia is generally not a good idea unless they're Madonna. Overall, excellent effort, good luck with it, and remember that anything floated in Wikipedia can get edited, chopped up, even deleted, remember it's all part of the process.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 10:52, 29 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your response! I am not close to him, I haven't even met the guy. I only know him because he is the coach of where I attend college. I know how the seasons go, but other than that, everything I've written I have found somewhere on the Internet. The seasons (2010-2013) that I put in, I based off of what was on the Bill Self (Kansas Jayhawks) article. More info on Emporia State University is that it is located in Emporia, Kansas, it is a member of the NCAA Division II, and participates in the Mid-America Intercollegiate Athletics Association. I plan to work on it a little more this week, and then I'll move it to an article space. Thanks again for your response.  Corkythehornetfan  Talk 20:26, 29 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Hey, good luck!--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:52, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Miss Multiverse
Greetings Tomwsulcer

What do you base that Miss Multiverse is less notable than the numerous pageants listed in Wikipedia? Is there a page or group where people who have experience with pageant within wikipedia? i think people that fallow pageants should look in to this, i meen no offense with this but as i see your profile you have no experience at all with regards to pageants, i would like it if someone with notable experience looks in to this. Jose Cuello (talk) 06:49, 1 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I can understand your frustration. You feel Miss Multiverse as a subject is notable, and you feel that clueless persons, who do not know about beauty pageants, who in your view are ill-equipped to render a capable judgment about whether the article should stay in Wikipedia or be deleted -- persons such as myself -- are making judgments with which you disagree. I have been contributing to Wikipedia for several years now, and it takes time to become familiar with its rules and procedures. There have been occasions in the past where subjects I've written about, which I wanted to stay in Wikipedia, were deleted. What I am saying is that it takes time to become familiar with Wikipedia's rules. About this particular subject, I spent considerable time trying to find good sources for the Miss Multiverse pageant, but couldn't find any; if I had found them, I would have voted for keep and tried to improve the article. Consider the Miss America beauty pageant. Here is a source here which could be used to establish notability; can we find sources like these for the Miss Multiverse pageant? If you can point me to them, and if there are sufficient in-depth multiple independent reliable sources, I'll switch to keep.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 12:31, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Judaism in Nepal
You entered an RFC asking whether History of the Jews in Nepal should be renamed to Judaism in Nepal. I closed the RFC, finding that the consensus supports the rename. I have not renamed the article because, with the rename (move), the lede should be rewritten. I am asking that either you or User:Nyttend rewrite the lede and move the article. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:00, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I revised the lede. Please review it.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:12, 12 August 2014 (UTC)