User talk:Tony1

During my years at the Signpost I authored or co-authored 266 articles, including one that the WMF republished on their site. But I recommend no one bother subscribing to it now—the standards are very low.

Errors in date style "fixes"
Hi Tony. Can I ask you to be careful when doing date style fixes, not to "fix" date ranges when there are mulltiple date ranges in close proximity to one another. This typically happens with football seasons, for example. Specifically, in this edit, "their five-year winning streak in the championship between 1984–85 and 1988-89" is correct and "between 1984 and 1985 and 1988–89" is wrong; "Steaua managed a six consecutive championship streak between 1992–93 and 1997–98" is right and "between 1992 and 1993 and 1997–98" is wrong; "to make it to the Champions League group stage three years in a row between 1994–95 and 1996–97" is correct and "between 1994 and 1995 and 1996–97" is wrong. Scolaire (talk) 17:28, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

By the way, why do you not link to your talk page archives? It would be useful for me to find out whether this has been brought to your attention before. Scolaire (talk) 17:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Shipwreck lists
Please do not unlink flags in lists of shipwrecks or ship launches. There are hundreds of these lists and established practice is that the flags link. Mjroots (talk) 06:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Noam Bettan
Hello, could you help me give more notoriety to the article Noam Bettan if you have them but they opened this query hastily. Acartonadooopo (talk) 04:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

April 19, 2024
Hello, this is Winter. I have noticed that some of your script assisted edits have not followed the documentation stated by infobox company. You are spamming these edits without properly reviewing what they are doing. Please take the time to review your edits. If you have a complaint, please move it to the company infobox talk page. Wii nter  U 14:30, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Can you give me some examples please? Tony (talk)  22:56, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * On Paramount Global, you changed many of the perimeters to be delinked and also changed Public to Public company, even though the documentation stated that it has to be the original. On Princess Pictures, you changed Private to Privately held company. This has already been revised, that is why the perimeter is "Company type" and not "Type" anymore. Wii  nter  U 23:10, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * There was recently a discussion (but where?) on this point, with consensus that "Public" and "Private" are sufficient. By "perimeter", do you mean "field"? I don't follow your logic: if the perimeter is "Company type", why repeat the word "company"? Tony (talk)  01:37, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Shripad Amrit Dange
I did not insert links. Somebody else did and you removed them. Can you justify their removal? Do you take my point about the lakhs? Can you justify any of the other changes? Spinney Hill (talk) 08:50, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The problem with lakhs is that no one else (non-Indian second-language speakers included) understands them. You need to insert conversions at the very least. en.WP rations links to the most likely to be followed by readers. Most of those links were common terms: we do not want a sea of blue, which disrupts the reader. This was decided a decade and a half ago; also, please read WP:OVERLINK. Tony (talk)  08:52, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree about conversions. There are certain Americanisms in other articles which non-Americans do not understand (or which mean something else in British English e.g. "braces") which I have pointed out -not the spellings or the simple words that appear in US films like "faucet,"
 * I'll have a look at the blue links when I get the chance. Can you justify the word changes you have made.? Spinney Hill (talk) 09:02, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * In order to? Never use it. Amongst? No. Same for whilst. These are pretentious old-fashioned glutinous forms. Tony (talk)  09:08, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I strongly agree! —Finell 02:03, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Spinney Hill On lakhs, please see MOS:LAKH and MOS:COMMONALITY. On links, MOS:OVERLINK sets out that major geographical entities (countries etc), among other things, should not be linked to. Thanks.  Pam  D  13:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Spinney, if you need a quick run-through of another article you've worked on, please ask and I'll try (unless my workload is high at the time). Tony (talk)  13:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Tony1
I am happy to see that you are still very active and, I hope, well. Have you ever considered publishing your excellent guidance on writing to a broader public than those who discover it on your User and Talk pages? Have you already done so? —Finell 02:16, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Finell, it's available to the public already; all that's needed is to promote it outside WP. It desperately needs renovation, which will have to wait untill I finish a big job (should be in a few months). Thanks for your kind words. Tony (talk)  02:20, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Script error in downcasing?
Tony, in this edit you changed University of Edinburgh to university of edinburgh. This seems like a bug in the script you're using? Dicklyon (talk) 04:24, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Dick. I've reported this to Ohconfucius. Tony (talk)  04:48, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * i seem to remember having had this discussion before. Isn't it nonsense for someone to have "professor of University of Edinburgh" as an occupation? Are people not aware of the difference between a person's occupation and their job title? It isn't even a subtle difference. The occupation of the subject ought simply to be "educator" or "professor", don't you think? --  Ohc  revolution of our times 21:11, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Tony (talk)  06:36, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Script-assisted flag fix errors
Hi, thank you for your many script-assisted fixes. I noticed that some of the flagg fixes don't always render correctly, for example at Special:Diff/1217808882. Also, I'm not sure if it is wise to replace with  as a rule, because they aren't necessarily exchangeable, the former uses IOC country code while the latter uses ISO 3166-1 which doesn't always match. If you want to unlink the country name, you can use instead. Thanks, --Habst (talk) 15:49, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

St. Michaels Historic District
Tony1 - Thank you for your cleanup of St. Michaels Historic District. It is a busy tourist attraction during the summer. Any idea why the article is rated as Stub-class? TwoScars (talk) 19:06, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Not anymore! Ed [talk] [OMT] 21:13, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. TwoScars (talk) 15:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Imagicomm Entertainment moved to draftspace
Thanks for your contributions to Imagicomm Entertainment. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Clear friend  a  💬  23:44, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Script errors
A couple of errors I've noticed from recent edits: ITBF (talk) 02:43, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * – introduced inconsistency with abbreviation of degrees (M.E. vs PhD)
 * – Woy Woy is not in Sydney
 * – grammatical error introduced ("served" changed to "had")


 * Thanks. (i) That inconsistency is built into the script. (2) Not the script: that's my fault. I'll fix it. (3) Again, my manual edit. I find "served as" for wealthy, powerful politicians rather self-serving. <b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b> (talk)  03:24, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Redundant commas
Hi Tony! Recently a User made an edit to VH-RMQ, an article on my watchlist. The edit added 25 characters but most of the additions were redundant commas. See the diff. I checked the User contributions for the User responsible and I could see that most of their edits insert commas where previously there were no commas. The majority are to insert commas at the end of dates that are embedded in sentences. For example, the following: diff 1, diff 2 and diff 3. Before I write to the User responsible I want to check what resources are available to help Users with the matter of commas, and redundant commas in particular. Are you aware of any Wikipedia guidance that clarifies when commas are desirable, and when they are not? I see you have some useful guidance on your User pages. Do you have anything devoted to commas that might persuade the User responsible that extra commas don’t necessarily mean extra quality? Thanks for any assistance. <i style="color: green;">Dolphin</i> ( t ) 13:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Please stop this user from inserting silly commas: they're like road-humps for readers. Unfortunately no "Comma workshop" yet, but perhaps later this year. <b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b> (talk)  03:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your support. I found MOS:DATECOMMA and MOS:DATE. Unfortunately they do not support our preference for economy with commas around dates embedded in sentences.
 * Perhaps there is an opportunity to challenge this item in MOS. Insisting on a comma after a date looks like a relic from the 1950s. <i style="color: green;">Dolphin</i> ( t ) 10:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I dislike the addition of a comma to produce the "In 1952, she moved to England." format, which I think might be a "fronted adverbial", something I never came across in an old-fashioned academic education in the UK. But if a date is in the American format with an internal comma, I feel that there does need to be a date after the year too. Pam  D  11:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't see any difference across the Atlantic. It's rather difficult for a manual of style to legislate comma usage: it's complex. But adverbial and prepositional phrases at sentence start are just silly—a habit I fear editors see in others and adopt thinking it's required. BUT, if the initial phrase is medium to long, that sways a bit toward using the comma; and even after a short initial phrase a comma is useful for breaking up numerals; so "In 2011 1032 craters were detected on Mars" would possibly be improved with a comma. <b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b> (talk)  11:18, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * So many editors are adding those horrible commas after "In 1952" that I'd assumed it was correct, rather than reverting them as clunky prose, just as you say. I should be more assertive in the interests of decent writing. Thanks. Pam  D  11:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * At MOS:DATE there is actually a valuable ruling in the case of dates written as dd month year without an intervening comma. The Table shows that closing the date with a comma is incorrect. Hooray!
 * I was able to incorporate this in a message to the User in question. See my diff.
 * If the date is written as month date, year then the Table at MOS:DATE shows that a comma is required after the year, to close the date. <i style="color: green;">Dolphin</i> ( t ) 11:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Comma therapy is especially productive when an article goes through the history of the subject, with almost every paragraph starting the same repetitive way. This needs the delete button to smooth things out. Watch for nested phrases, though, like: "In 2011, without hindsight, the troops went on the attack." <b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b> (talk)  11:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * What do you think of this example? Pam  D  18:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm OK with that one—such a cluster of linked constituencies and wards. <b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b> (talk)  05:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Tony1 Please start a campaign to amend MOS:COMMA to include "Where not to use a comma". I hope you agree with this edit, as I cited you as an authority! Pam  D  14:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Pam, I'll certainly be creating a "Comma workshop" tutorial page when I renovate them later this year. <b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b> (talk)  05:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

single-ses
This "Script-assisted style fixes" includes a change to "single-ses", which is clearly wrong. I can't tell if it is a manual typo or an error in the script that needs fixing. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:01, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry, manual error. I'll fix it now. <b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b> (talk)  09:03, 16 June 2024 (UTC) PS I'm amused that this family of articles announces "single-sex" and "school for boys/girls". <b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b>  (talk)  09:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

W. David Marx Script-assisted styles fixes
Hi Tony1,

I can see that you are trying to use scripts to make changes on the article W. David Marx (Author). Having looked through your talk page, I can see that there are other people complaining about these edits. If you want to continue to edit on W. David Marx, please provide evidence and explanations for the changes you make, including taking out hyperlinks. Otherwise I will keep reverting them - without explanation I cannot understand why you are making these edits and therefore change my mind, if I am incorrect.

Thank you Theobrad (talk) 09:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Yes, you are very much incorrect in linking common words like these: American fashion and culture writer who works and lives in Tokyo, Japan. Have you read WP:OVERLINK? If you don't like it, I suggest you launch an RFC at WT:MOSLINK. <b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b> (talk)  10:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * With response to WT:MOSLINK, I understand why you have used the script. However, with this new information, I will happily go through myself and make these corrections individually if you don't mind. Theobrad (talk) 10:38, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I think "blazer" should stay linked. <b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b> (talk)  10:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I have gone through and adjusted your changes. In hindsight I agree most of them are correct. With the Board of Directors one, as it is a specific Board of Directors (one at Human Made) that I am referring to, is it or is it not meant to be capitalised. As it is in the same sentence as Human Made, it could be written "the Human Made Board of Directors," in which case it would definitely be capitalised (according to a quick search). Theobrad (talk) 10:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The authoritative US and UK style guides, and our own WP:MOSCAPS, say to minimise unnecessary capping. That includes "board of directors", "board", "board members", and "chair of the board". <b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b> (talk)  10:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

June 27, 2024
Hello, this is Winter. I have noticed that some of your style fixes have gone against the documentation of. Public company should always be linked as Public, and corporate titles always have to be linked. Please make sure your scripts comply with the documentation of. Wii nter  U 00:32, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * OK, pinging . <b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b> (talk)  00:41, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Buggy script
I reverted your script-assisted edits to Crystallography. There was no reason I can see to remove the links to the UN or the centuries, removing that to iron was wrong as the structure matters, and changing "Paul heinrich von groth|Paul Heinrich von Groth" to "Paul heinrich von groth" is obviously wrong, even Google autocorrect knew this as I typed this message. Perhaps discontinue using it? Ldm1954 (talk) 08:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Who doesn't know what iron is? If its structure is at issue, link to the relevant section of Iron. Linking chronological terms is strictly discouraged, and has been since a community-wide RfC in 2009. I don't know how the von Groth thing happened. <b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b> (talk)  09:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I removed the chronological terms as updated to Iron, a good suggestion. The article needs major work, but is not at the top of my to-do list as yet, life is finite. Ldm1954 (talk) 10:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Good work. <b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b> (talk)  10:25, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Alive!
Tony, I am so happy to see you have resumed activity on Wikipedia! Your writing exercises were so much fun and have measurably improved my writing (if not my life!). Carry on my friend, and I hope to learn more of what you've been doing the past decade. What happened to your research on the human factors in musical sight reading? Ke6jjj (talk) 05:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your kind words, Jeremy. The exercises are badly in need of renovation, which might happen by the end of the year. Research on sight reading? Since my PhD I haven't done anything in that area; but I am preparing something big in music theory. I don't think I ever left WP. <b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b>  (talk)  01:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Help talk for new article
Hello! I hope you're doing well.I've just created an article called 5 July Committee, but I'm not sure if it's totally ready to be on the Main article page or if I should move it back to a Draft page for more work. Your help with the other article I created was amazing, and I'd really appreciate it if you could take a look at this one too.Thanks a lot, and I hope to hear from you soon. Bruno pnm ars (talk) 11:56, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Request for assistance in creating a Wikipedia article
Hi Tony, hope you're doing well! I was referred to you by Meta AI as an experienced editor who can help me create a Wikipedia article about myself. I'd greatly appreciate your guidance and expertise in getting my article started. Please let me know if you're available and willing to help. Thanks in advance! Alhaji Jatlaw (talk) 13:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

"Distribution Center Management System" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_Center_Management_System&redirect=no Distribution Center Management System] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. Tule-hog (talk) 06:36, 18 July 2024 (UTC)