User talk:Tony1/Archive 12

Patrick White
I did the Patrick White navbox basically at random. After my first 20 or so navboxes, I ran out of authors that I'd read or was personally interested in, so now I'm picking authors who I've heard of and who have enough articles on their works to justify a navbox.-- INeverCry 18:19, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You might be interested in seeing the first feature film of a White novel: The Eye of the Storm. Tony   (talk)  07:55, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Hyphen question
Hello Tony,

Which of "dependently typed programming language" and "dependently-typed programming language" would be correctly hyphenated? I have difficulty choosing between "Do not hyphenate between an “-ly” adverb and an adjective" and "Hyphenate between two or more adjectives when they come before a noun and act as a single idea."? (Here it are the "types" which are "dependent".) Cheers, —Ruud 19:56, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I think "dependently" is an adverb here; not like the book example of "friendly-looking man" where the hyphen is needed. My tendency would have been to also hyphenate "dependently-type", for a different reason, but that's not WP style.  Tony might agree or not, when he wakes up down under.  Dicklyon (talk) 20:09, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The MoS says generally to avoid hyphenating -ly adverbs (since their forward connection is well-flagged by the -ly). Tony   (talk)  08:19, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Note on requested moves
Hi there Tony! I accidentally closed some of your recent move requests a couple days early. Since they seem fairly non-controversial I will leave them for now, but if anyone questions what happened, just send them to me and I will relist the discussion. Cheers mate,   A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 20:24, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for doing that page-move admin work. Tony   (talk)  01:25, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

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FS
I'm not sure if you saw the Signpost or my edit but FS is officially inactive. If you would like to discuss I am open. I just ask you put a note on my talk page if you reply here. cheers --Guerillero &#124; My Talk  20:12, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

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SFL task force
Hi Tony, I thought it was probably about time that we moved your sandbox over to WP Linguistics and start the SFL task force going officially. With your permission, I'll move the page over to WikiProject Linguistics/SFL and get the infrastructure set up. Do you have an image we can use for the task force on Template:WikiProject Linguistics, by any chance? Nothing obvious really jumped out at me. Also, for the name, would you be happy with "Systemic Functional Linguistics Task Force", or would you prefer something else? Best —  Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 04:29, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Mr. Strad., I'd be delighted if you did that. I hope we don't disappoint in terms of immediate activity. Some people have joined up and we have established a bit of a list of need-tos, but it's not a hive of dynamism yet. It's just a start. And I've got little time at the moment. Tony   (talk)  08:00, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Business Process Model and Notation
Hi Tony1, first I appreciate your huge work on correct capitalization, but I have reverted the one on Business Process Model and Notation. I don't find any discussion initiated on this one, and I'm not sure this will be an accepted one. You can still intiate a requested move procedure if you like. -- SchreyP (messages) 14:00, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I see now that there's a version number attached (it's software, proprietary I presume). Fair enough, and thanks for picking this up. Tony   (talk)  14:07, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Office Hours
Hey ! I'm just dropping you a message because you've commented on (or expressed an interest in) the Article Feedback Tool in the past. If you don't have any interest in it any more, ignore the rest of this message :).

If you do still have an interest or an opinion, good or bad, we're holding an office hours session tomorrow at 19:00 GMT/UTC in #wikimedia-office to discuss completely changing the system. In attendance will be myself, Howie Fung and Fabrice Florin. All perspectives, opinions and comments are welcome :).

I appreciate that not everyone can make it to that session - it's in work hours for most of North and South America, for example - so if you're interested in having another session at a more America-friendly time of day, leave me a message on my talkpage. I hope to see you there :). Regards, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 14:33, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry not to see you at the session; the logs are here. In the meantime, the Foundation has started developing a new version of the tool which dispenses with the idea of "ratings", amongst other things. Take a look at WP:AFT5 and drop any comments, criticisms or suggestions you have on the talkpage - I'd be very grateful to hear your opinions. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:28, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Or not? :P. If the issue's no longer one that interests you, just say the word. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 08:56, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It was scheduled at 6am on a Sunday. Tony   (talk)  08:57, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I meant heading over to WP:AFT5, giving it a read and seeing if you have any comments to add to the discussion on the talkpage. I understand that Office Hours is a problem for aussies, yes - as said above, we're working on holding one at around midday your time, if that would be more helpful? Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 09:00, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Midday would be fine (presumably on a weekend day), if there's notice. Thank you. I'll try to look within a few hours. Tony   (talk)  09:03, 30 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Awesome! Hope to see you there; I'll give you a heads-up when we schedule a time. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 09:08, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, logs from the last meeting are here. Future schedules call for us to hold some meetings at around midnight UTC on Fridays, which (if I'm working out my aussie timezones correctly) would make it around 10am on a Saturday for you. Would that work? Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 22:21, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, if I know in advance. Thx. Tony   (talk)  00:08, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

animals

 * WikiLove strikes again haha. Res Mar 01:46, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Rather unusual, I must say. -- Ohconfucius  ¡digame! 00:36, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Advance passenger information system
Can you take another look at the move you've just made - surely this article is about a specific system so the capitals are correct (as in references). DexDor (talk) 09:04, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll go there right now. Sorry if I got it wrong, but I don't know yet. One moment please. Tony   (talk)  09:13, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * US Customs own website downcases it, at least in the first reference. And I notice they call it "AdvanceD", not "Advance", which was worrying me a bit. [Later:] Yes, it IS with the D, so the article title was wrong anyway. Hmmm ... I see it's used outside the US, too. Can you check whether this is proprietary and specifically licenced out, or whether it has now become generic (like Internet protocol suite?). I'll revert if it's a proprietary, specific title rather than a generic name for a type of software/system. You may be right. Please let me know. Tony   (talk)  09:21, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The first two refs show both "Advance" and "Advanced", but neither show "advance". Also the article begins "The" rather than "An" indicating that it's about that specific system, not any such system. DexDor (talk) 09:32, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * So do you agree it should be upcased again, but with the "d"? Without the "d" looks weird and a little ambiguous, and the primary site does use the "d". Tony   (talk)  09:34, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it should be upcased. Probably best with "d". P.S. Your edit summary could be construed as misleading. DexDor (talk) 09:44, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. Tony   (talk)  09:49, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks OK now.DexDor (talk) 10:56, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for picking this up, Dex. Tony   (talk)  10:59, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Global Editors Network
The first paragraph of the new article "Global Editors Network" is the following. Global Editors Network (GEN) is the first non-profit, non-governmental association that brings together editors-in-chief and senior news executives from all platforms – print, digital, mobile and broadcast. Its goal is to break down the barriers between traditional and new media, so that information can be gathered and shared with each other to define an open journalism model for the future and to create new journalistic concepts and tools. field of the infobox. However, the value is used as AUD, a template that automatically inserts that dollar-symbol (and even links it to an article about this type of currency). Could you remove the now-doubled symbol you inserted? DMacks (talk) 11:33, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, I wondered what that was. Give me a few mins and I'll fix. But my greater concern is that the numbers now sound misleadingly cheap. You can't get a plain office block for 102 million now. Do you think a 2012 equivalent could be cited somewhere (I think it's probably 2.5 times 1972 dollars)? Tony   (talk)  11:39, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * PS, the pan-pic of the interior of the Concert Hall: a pity it's so dark ... don't you think it would be more effective if cropped about 25% of the width at both right and left, so the pic could focus more on the stage? Tony   (talk)  11:44, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 2012 dollars sounds good but could be some OR issues if someone objects. You could add cost= A$120 million (1972) or something similar? Bidgee (talk) 12:09, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * What about the Reserve Bank's calculator I just found? Goes from 1966 to 2011. OMG, $102M in 1972 (still conservative, I think, since most of the expenditure was before the 1973 launch) is equivalent to $922M in 2011. See what you think in the infobox now ...? Tony   (talk)  12:43, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Good idea, providing a "current value" equivalent so the number has meaning! We have inflation that can calculate it on-the-fly, but that template has a loud warning not to use it for government or capital expenditures, and (while reading the talk-page to figure out why) there's a note that it only supports up to 2008 for A$. MOS:CURRENCY is the only lead I can find about how to format the actual content. DMacks (talk) 13:15, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Request
Could you weigh in here, as a former writer of the featured content section? Mathew and I are having a disagreement over what should be included in the Featured Picture blurbs, and he has said something about agreeing with you. Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:57, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for weighing in. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:48, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
...for your helpful tweaks to the Teahouse db report page. - J-Mo Talk to Me   Email Me  06:16, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Teahouse invitation tracking
Hi Tony! I saw you were inviting folks to the Teahouse! That's awesome, as that is the #1 area that we need help with during this pilot period. However, we do need your help in a more specific aspect - tracking your invitations. During this pilot, we need to track all of our invitations, as this tracking will help us gauge the success (or failure) or the project in various areas. You can do this by using the templates we have created here and by tracking them, as mentioned here. I noticed that you also aren't using the template, while that is okay, and I appreciate your own personal spin on the template, if you aren't using the template, it's really really really (REALLY!) important to track your invites in the tracking document mentioned in the "Track who was invited" section I link above. Thanks Tony for helping during this pilot program (And hopefully beyond!). Sarah (talk) 14:15, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure. The instructions could do with some simplifying: I'm finding them hard to digest all at once. I'll get around to this tomorrow. On revisiting that invitation of mine, I don't like it, actually. Tony   (talk)  14:33, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

your comment
Hi,

You incorrectly stated that I requested that you comment on Skomorokh's page. I didn't. And I don't know where my request there on his page has gone. I had wanted to have a discussion with Skomorokh but my comment has been removed. In any case, being the new person, I'm beginning to feel very uncomfortable with what's going on, so I think I'll just bow out for now and let you all handle it. Perhaps you'll discuss my concerns somewhere. You, of course, are free to add back the "Lesbian kisses." Best wishes,    MathewTownsend (talk) 14:06, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry, I see above it was Crisco who asked. Does it really matter? I really don't want to take sides here, and thought I was being supportive of all—not hard, since it's based on a genuine belief in both your excellent contributions. What do you mean by "bow out"? Tony   (talk)  14:30, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Quit. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:04, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I really hope he didn't mean he was quitting FC. Why? He's good at it. Tony   (talk)
 * I think that's what he meant. I'm not a mind-reader, but he may be upset because of the discussion's outcome and possibly with your typo. For what it's worth, I won't be adding the "lesbian kiss" line to the Queen Christina blurb because I think he's right that such a claim should have a good source (the claim was that the film featured one of the first lesbian kisses in Hollywood). I've also asked him to reconsider at his talk page. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:16, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

(ec) I don't know the rules, I guess, so I'll bow out and Crisco will do the Featured content section. Of course you can weigh in on my request to Skomorokh, whether or not I requested you to. Unfortunately, he removed my comment. Perhaps he wouldn't have removed it if you had not entered, and I could have continued the conversation just with him and come to a satisfactory conclusion. Now my comment is gone with no feedback. In any case, I don't support material that is not sourced being included in FP, especially since the other Featured content items are bound by it. Crisco is apt to include promotional material to hype his images from various articles not mentioned on the promotion page, material that is not sourced. MathewTownsend (talk) 15:15, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't imagine how my mixing up your usernames has cascaded into this. Why not reinsert your comment at Sko's page? Can't you work out a flexible practice between you? Tony   (talk)  15:20, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If an editor says he will answer your question that evening, and then after you enter your comment, he deliberately removes the whole thing, is it really ok for me to put my comment back? And if I do, should I put his response bacK? (Both of these he deliberately removed.) And should I return your comment also? This doesn't seem right to me or the way editors do things here. It might be considered vandalism or disruptive. MathewTownsend (talk) 15:26, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know either, and I don't take kindly to the claim that I'm "apt to include promotional material to hype [my] images". You disagreed with the lesbian kisses line, I removed it and replaced it with a bit about critical reception (cited, actually), which quoted a critical review aggregate site and was thus more representative. You disapproved, so I switched with something completely innocuous which still gave more context than just veni, vidi, vici. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:27, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * FC is more important than this localised differences. Tony   (talk)  15:29, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Mathew, Sko did answer your questions and provide feedback. He also noted on his talk page that he moved the thread to Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost so that it could get further discussion. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:33, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * @Tony, I agree. The show must go on, no matter what. If Mathew decides that working on a different part of the Signpost is better (more interesting, less hassle, whatever), then all the power to him. I'll just need to cut back on my content creation to ensure we publish on time. If he wants to continue with FC, I think he is doing a fantastic job, especially with the text-based featured content. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:35, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * @Crisco, you did not remove "lesbian kisses" as you claim above. I did. Part of the problem is that the Featured picture process is so superficial that no good reasons are given on the nomination page - in fact no reasons at all sometimes. Just vague "EV". It's not a well considered nomination process, and is controlled by a few ediors. No real discussion. Perhaps some work on upgrading Featured picture nominations so that credible reasons are given for the nomination that could be used in Featured content. That way, you wouldn't have to go roaming around to other places to find "reasons" for the nomination and introduce extraneous stuff. The fact that a poster got a high rating on Rotten Tomatoes is a reason that the 1933 poster is featured (when Rotten Tomatoes didn't even exist?) This is on the level of dyk, which I don't respect an can't be a part of.  MathewTownsend (talk) 16:15, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Right, sorry. I didn't reinsert it, which got mixed up in my mind. FP doesn't consider the article quality; in fact, if one were to oppose based on text in the article (aside from the image caption), one would see quite a backlash. The film received a high score on Rotten Tomatoes, and by giving an easily understandable factoid (don't forget, Rotten Tomatoes often includes old reviews as well as new ones), we give the reader greater understanding than the bland "well-received". Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:07, 23 March 2012 (UTC)


 * FPCs are certainly less technically troublesome than FSCs were. All of the modes are different in multiple ways, which is one thing you see clearly in doing FC. Mathew, if you find FPC unsatisfactory, why not write an opinion piece about it? Tony   (talk)  16:22, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not worth the trouble. It's very much like dyk. Too much vested interest in the way it is and it's not going to change. MathewTownsend (talk) 16:46, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * ps - I have no idea what FSCs are. MathewTownsend (talk) 16:48, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Featured Sounds. Tony was quite active there before the project went... Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:07, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

What was the answer to my question? Crisco says above that it was answered. What was the answer? Should I do as suggested above and reinsert my question on Skomorokh's page? MathewTownsend (talk) 22:04, 24 March 2012 (UTC)


 * He's back to removing content - common knowledge (i.e. stuff we generally don't have to cite). I'm getting stressed. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:54, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Scratch that, we worked it out eventually Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:14, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Arbitration/Requests/Case/Article titles and capitalisation closed
An arbitration case regarding article titles and capitalisation has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:
 * 1) All parties are reminded to avoid personalizing disputes concerning the Manual of Style, the article titles policy ('WP:TITLE'), and similar policy and guideline pages, and to work collegiately towards a workable consensus. In particular, a rapid cycle of editing these pages to reflect one's viewpoint, then discussing the changes is disruptive and should be avoided. Instead, parties are encouraged to establish consensus on the talk page first, and then make the changes.
 * 2) Pmanderson is indefinitely prohibited from engaging in discussions and edits relating to the Manual of Style or policy about article titles.
 * 3) Standard discretionary sanctions are authorized for all pages related to the English Wikipedia Manual of Style and article titles policy, broadly construed.
 * 4) Born2cycle is warned that his contributions to discussion must reflect a better receptiveness to compromise and a higher tolerance for the views of other editors.

For the Arbitration Committee, Alexandr Dmitri (talk) 22:57, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Health
Best wishes for a speedy recovery. ```Buster Seven   Talk  13:05, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * From me too, mate. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 15:13, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Very kind of both of you. Thanks! Tony   (talk)  05:49, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Asia and dmy
China and Japan do not use dmy formatting for dates, so I do not think it is proper for you to add use dmy dates onto articles with East Asian subjects.— Ryulong ( 竜龙 ) 16:50, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ryulong, I think it's mixed, although I've noticed that a large majority do use mdy. The situation is further complicated by the fact that we are translating much of the relevant information into English. Your help in commenting on the reliability of articles such as Date_and_time_notation_in_Japan and Date and time notation in the Philippines ("In the Philippines, the dates are written both in dd-mm-yy format as well as in a way similar to that of the United States") would be appreciated. Tony   (talk)  05:48, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Linked dates
Oh? Could you point out where? I don't remember doing this. Cheers.  Omg †  osh 17:02, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I've spotted them on the t20 article you recently edited. No idea why I did that, but thanks for correcting it!  Omg †  osh 18:19, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, bad practice on my part not to link you to it! Tony   (talk)  05:41, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Interview
The interview appears workable. Probably on the Sunday depending on what the people are doing then. Monday won't work because my flight leaves at 10 am. Eclecticology (talk) 02:56, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

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Berlin
Hola, I've left note in the newsroom to help coordinate the activities of the interested reporters re: the Berlin conference – obviously we don't want to document planning best done in private, but status updates on availability and areas of focus should be helpful. Contactable only on-wiki for the next five hours or so; otherwise will aim to catch up on email tonight (within 12 hours). Cheers,  Skomorokh   10:40, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

"that"s
Hi,

I've roamed around your "self-help writing tutorials" and value your insights. Do you mention "that" anywhere? Sometimes "that" is useful/necessary in a sentence, but occasionally I see "that"s put in when none are needed. What is your view on the use of "that"? (Also, I prefer "that" over "which" most of the time when one or the other is needed. What do you think?) Regards, MathewTownsend (talk) 14:50, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Mathew, I strip out "that" wherever it's not needed. And if there's no preceding comma, I do prefer "that" over "which", for the same reasons as the Chicago MoS's: that it avoids any chance the writer has got it wrong concerning the presence or absence of the comma (which can radically alter the meaning). Tony   (talk)  15:26, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I think I'll frame this and hang it on my wall. MathewTownsend (talk) 16:01, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Conversions
Hi Tony -

I came across one of your edits calling for metric conversions at Martese. I then noticed that you made a similar plea at Mountain weasel. I went ahead and made the conversions, but was wondering if you knew about Template:Convert? It's an easy way to get conversions into text, and is one of my favorite wikignoming activities. I usually use the default units, and add "abbr=on" to put unit abbreviations in the text and keep things shorter. It doesn't take long to learn (although I do have to go back to the template page now and again for some of the odder units). If you want to start using it, that'd be awesome; if not, feel free to ping me with pages that need conversions. Thanks! Dohn joe (talk) 17:32, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Dohn, thank you indeed for making those changes. I'm not so hot on templates, because they make it harder for "anyone to edit". I'll copy this thread onto my notes file and either ping you or try it out myself next time I encounter this. Tony   (talk)  09:44, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

blurb size in Signpost featured content
Hi,

This week I've stripped the blurb size down just a bit on the notion that the blurb should give a general idea of the article and not be replete with facts (and especially) figures. If you get a chance, let me know what you think. (I expect some flak.) MathewTownsend (talk) 22:49, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

You need explanation, here it is
You did read my talk page. My other account is User:Waorca. It's legit if I don't use both accounts to support each other or voting support/oppose. Check both edit histories of the 2 users, I've never done anything like that. I use both users like a separated person. Also, I change the titles due to WP:RETAIN. Like I'd said last time: if you renamed some articles by un-capitalizing the word "dynasty", well then every other articles of the similar subjects should be renamed too. Why did you only rename some articles while not all of them? Last time, someone else already explained to you when I ask you should also rename the Burmese/Chinese dynasty articles, but you ignored that. Why is that? ༆ (talk) 01:01, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * A less aggressive section title would have been welcome. You are on the edge of breaching WP:SOCKPUPPET. Please edit under your real username when performing potentially troublesome actions that relate to your previous name. Tony   (talk)  01:44, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * OK! But it's better if I stop using the other account and redirect its talk page to this one (༆). And still I want to keep the word "dynasty" with capitalization. Cheer. ༆ (talk) 02:20, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You may want one thing, I may want another; but what counts is discussion. Please remember that these names are translated from the Vietnamese, too, and that sources in English are what count (not in sources' capped titles, but in normal text); also of bearing are WP's house guidelines, although they're not the whole story. Do you announce on your talk page what the other account is? That is the expectation under WP:SOCKPUPPET. I've missed an important point: WP:RETAIN on no account functions between articles—only within each individual article. Please do not use this misinterpreted principle. Tony   (talk)  02:24, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, you're right, you might want this and I want that. So we should keep it the way a article creator likes it to be unless there's a strong nationalism or it's wrong grammar. Also, recently, all ancient Egyptian dynasty articles are renamed with the capitalization of "Dynasty". You might like to see some oppose/support comments in Talk:First Dynasty of Egypt. ༆ (talk) 19:59, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Possibly; it's not an issue I'm going to live or die by. But it should have been put to an RM, since the whole area of caps often needs individual decisions. You'll find that many articles for dynasties and related items are not capped on en.WP. Tony   (talk)  03:26, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Titles for articles concerning VESA technologies
Would appreciate any comments you would have on the discussion here. Thanks. GoneIn60 (talk) 03:48, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Web searches—coming changes
This article discusses Web searches and imminent changes. There is an embedded YouTube video with a duration of 12:47. —Wavelength (talk) 02:12, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * How to Prepare for Google&#8217;s Search Makeover

Online resources about writing and speaking
Editors can use this link to find online resources about writing and speaking. —Wavelength (talk) 18:56, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Writing and Speaking | FindHow.com.

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The Tea Leaf - Issue Two
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tony
you said to ask you about editing but thats not what im having trouble with...the problem is editors keep deleting my contributions any help? especially on the "al ahbash" article...the article is not even close to NPOV and its a stub. Baboon43 (talk) 01:29, 6 April 2012 (UTC)


 * B, note that Tony is in hospital right now. I'm sure he'll get back to you when he can in a few days.
 * N oetica Tea? 05:42, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Postponed interview
Hi Tony1, your note leaves me worried. Get well soon, but take all the rest needed! Looking forward to reading your piece in the next issue. Regards, HaeB (talk) 21:02, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your wishes, HaeB. I responded by email. Tony   (talk)  12:13, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!
Rob, it's very kind of you to leave this message. Thank you! Tony  (talk)  12:13, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Update on Tony's absence
I am in communication with Tony, and will pass on to him the expressions of concern above. He has undergone surgery a second time, and is in good care. Of course he is without internet access, and anxious to get back to Wikipedia. It seems he will be out of action till Friday at least, and probably till the weekend. If this changes I will post a follow-up note.


 * Thanks for letting us know, Noetica. Please pass Tony my best wishes when you're next in touch with him. SlimVirgin (talk) 22:24, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Wishing Tony a speedy recovery. I hope someone is watching after that lovely daughter pictured on the user page. :) Neotarf (talk) 19:04, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * SlimVirgin and Neotarf, thanks so much for your thoughts. Fortunately, a neighbour was able to mind my canine daughter – 26 kg of squirming muscle – at very short notice. Tony   (talk)  12:13, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

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 * Fixed. Hope your recovery is going well. Jenks24 (talk) 15:41, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Jenks, thanks for your kind thoughts and your fix. Tony   (talk)  12:13, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Australian hospital, 2012
My heart-felt thanks to well-wishers, whose messages I heard about via a text-message from Noetica. My laptop wouldn't talk to the network device someone brought in for me, but in any case I wasn't well enough to do anything useful on WP.

I was discharged about 10 hours ago. So there goes a week of my life I'll never get back; and the expenditure of a ton of taxpayers' money—all unnecessary, since my emergency admission and operation last Monday could have been avoided had I been given proper instructions about warning signs after the first operation three weeks ago (which was straightforward and planned). You soon learn that the admixture of 19th- and 21st-century communications and record-keeping systems come at considerable systemic cost to both patients and staff.

This time, an extended stay in hospital allowed me not only to gaze at a million-dollar view from my bed, but afforded time to observe the worst and the best of what goes on in modern healthcare. There was the night nurse who took out her dislike of a patient who didn't want to be treated as stupid, stabbing a cannula into the back of my left hand with such apparently wilful sloppiness that the infusion machines played up when connected to it (the area is still swollen and painful). But some of her colleagues—perhaps a quarter—rose above the utterly humdrum low-grade duties of nursing to show that skilful engagements with patients, and medical knowledge and curiosity, can really make a difference. BTW, there was a gender skew among nurses that still approximates WP's 87–13% ratio, both of which I find strange and undesirable.

Unseen doctors and patients behind curtains conducted conversations that fascinated; lying in a half-awake state with all the time in the world, I got much out of listening to the interpersonal grammar of their dialogues, particularly as played out in their intonation patterns—only a language-nerd would do that! One doctor talked of "an exciting urine test", leading the bemused patient to ask who would be excited and about what. A man whose broken leg was chronically unhealed was told he risked losing the whole limb without an operation. I later hobbled over and encouraged him to take the advice of his doctors, having heard the tension in their voices. He was bed-wheeled back from the five-hour op involving multiple skin grafts. The orthopaedic surgeons sent up the junior anaesthetist, of all people, to explain the complex details of care to a nurse; but the ensuing doctor–nurse interaction of the highest imaginable professional standard on both sides showed that their delegation spoke to the junior's brilliance, not to their wish to get away early.

Now, just eight hours "out", real-life is losing its sense of bewildering novelty; but several phone conversations have already exposed the temporary damage to my working memory and lexical access wreaked by the general anaesthetic; I believe the effects last from two to four weeks. (Fortunately, the previous op involved only a spinal block after I'd huffed and puffed for that alternative.) Tony   (talk)  12:13, 8 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for sharing! Thinking of you, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:29, 8 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Having just gotten out of the hospital myself, I can sympathize. These things are never fun.
 * In the U.S., it has become quite common for hospitals to have an unsecured "guest" wifi that anyone can connect to. Useful if you are waiting for someone else, but if you are the patient, and alone, you dare not bring anything valuable.
 * I have never heard of any long-term cognitive impairment from general anesthesia. I myself don't notice any difference (but then I wouldn't if I was impaired, would I, ha ha.) The important thing is to get up and move around right after surgery and get your lungs to expand. During anesthesia the lungs move less and the anesthetic gas can stay in the lungs until you get the lungs moving again to exhale it. From what I have been told, the affects of general anesthesia last only as long as the drug is actually in your bloodstream. If you are feeling less than 100% cognitively, look to your pain meds, which you will probably need for a while. (But don't take my word for it, ask someone who has actual credentials in medicine.) My own strategy was to negotiate an earlier-than-planned-for discharge so I could get some sleep.  I whittled the three days approved by the insurance company down to an overnight stay, but didn't get any fun pain meds.  :(   Neotarf (talk) 13:53, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear you're out and about again, Tony. Sorry to hear of your travails. Best wishes for your continuing recovery. Dohn joe (talk) 19:10, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

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US Shortening discussion

Interested in your opinion. Judicatus (talk) 08:24, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Coordinate syntax
Just a note that replacing a hyphen with an en dash in negative coordinates, as you did here, makes the coordinates unparsable by GeoHack, which therefore displays the wrong location when the coordinates in the article are clicked on. It's not a good idea to do this. Deor (talk) 13:40, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, you're right. Replied on Deor's page. Tony  (talk)  01:07, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Ryanair
Hi Tony1, I was quite surprised to see this edit despite Date and time notation in Republic of Ireland. WP:MOSNUM doesn't advocate MDY over DMY and the version used in the relevant country/ies is DMY, so is there any chance you can run your script to revert to DMY, unless there's a reason I've missed? Thank you, Cloudz 679 16:19, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oops, sorry, that was unintended. Yes, dmy is correct, and I'll change it now. Thx. Tony   (talk)  01:01, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Passion
He was despised - wishing you good recovery and spirits, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:05, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Gerda, it's a beautiful number from Messiah. Thanks for your kind wishes. Tony   (talk)  12:13, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * How are you now? Are you ready for 10,000 Easter eggs (top of my talk)? Or is that too much of a good thing ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:40, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm steadily on the path to normal, thanks Gerda. The amount of chocolate looks huge. Tony   (talk)  14:03, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hope it's not too disappointing that they are made from eggshells and plastic! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:06, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Subra Suresh
Tony, I am new to Wiki editing. I have just completed "Subra Suresh" entry, having completely revised and adding a photo/portrait. However, the Question Book text at the top of the entry has not changed since my edits were accepted last week. Who edits this box and when? It is out of date with its reference to a lack of primary sources, etc. Thanks, in advance, for your help. --LeeHerring (talk) 20:13, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

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N&N
Hey Tony. Looks like we're really going to need you on this one&mdash;in short, I'm going to be handling E-in-C duties this week, but I'm not going to have the time to provide the "the buck stops with me" approach to N&N that most E-in-Cs do. In other words, any help appreciated, particularly this week. Thanks! - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 19:25, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a good week for me to put more time into it. I've left a note at NAN about the two stories I'm preparing. Tony   (talk)  00:49, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Just realised I forgot to thank you for your hard work on this, much appreciated. - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 14:45, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Jarry—no problem. I'm not very good at identifying potential stories, I have to say. I've looked through the long list of links at the resources pages and found nothing. Tony   (talk)  14:55, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

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