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Jesse Jackson references
Hi, I moved the discussion you started to the article talk page. --KeptSouth (talk) 15:59, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 September newsletter


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Reviews in progress
Greetings Tony. Looking at your contributions, I see you have been rather busy, so I am kindly reminding you that I had made responses to some of your comments on the GA Reviews for Interest rate parity and Forward exchange rate that are awaiting your response/review. Best wishes,  John Shandy`   &bull; talk 14:15, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Death of a Salesman (1966 TV movie)
Casliber (talk) 00:03, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Sidebar collapse
Heyo. I just saw this revert in my watchlist, and thought I'd poke you gently with it. That Sidebar cannot/doesn't collapse! ;p —Quiddity (talk) 21:11, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Willy Loman
Hello! Your submission of Willy Loman at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! LauraHale (talk) 21:20, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Template talk:did you know
I have reviewed Template:did you know nominations/American Heart (song), and I hope you can review another article, please. --George Ho (talk) 23:32, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Ricky Dilliard
where you objected to a prod, as fixable:  I took a look at it, and it was obviously professionally written, so I checked the ref to his bio on his blog, and there it was, at http://rickydillardlive.blogspot.ca/2008/01/biography-ricky-dillard.html .I deleted as G12 When something looks both smooth & promotional,   I usually find something like that.  DGG ( talk ) 03:27, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with you that he's notable. If it were just promotional, I'd even have agreed with you that it should have been fixed not deleted. But it was out and out copyvio.  Someone should write a proper article, but its too far out of my field. DGG ( talk ) 03:37, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of View of the World from 9th Avenue
Hello! Your submission of View of the World from 9th Avenue at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:25, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Please see new note on DYK talk page. Yoninah (talk) 01:22, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Current DYK bank
Used 3 of 9 QPQs against Template:Did you know nominations/Champaner-Pavagadh Archaeological Park--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:34, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

"Give Me a Ring Sometime"
I've already merged the Cheers pilot into Cheers (season 1). As for the awards on the pilot, the information is already at the "Accolades" section of the season article. There is no need to resurrect the pilot, even when there are awards won. I found reviews not very valuable to merge. --George Ho (talk) 03:35, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Discussion is created, and I would like more consensus. --George Ho (talk) 03:43, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

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Articles for deletion/John Linton Roberson (2nd nomination)
Hi TonyTheTiger. I've been on an extended wikibreak for a while so I'm probably not up on all the current slang, but at Articles for deletion/John Linton Roberson (2nd nomination) you wrote "Delete his high G-test stats, I am not seeing PD content with him as the biographical subject", and I'm struggling to work out what you mean. G-test I'm wondering if that means some sort of google-test stats? and PD content, would that be public domain? Anyway, appreciate you clueing me in so I don't look silly next time it comes up. Happy editing, Hiding T 08:22, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of View of the World from 9th Avenue
The article View of the World from 9th Avenue you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:View of the World from 9th Avenue for things which need to be addressed. Kürbis (✔) 11:28, 8 October 2012 (UTC)


 * The article View of the World from 9th Avenue you nominated as a good article has passed [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]]; see Talk:View of the World from 9th Avenue for comments about the article. Well done! Kürbis (✔) 15:41, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Template:Franz Lehár
Hi there. I'm wondering if this might be redundant in some cases, i.e. when added to the articles on his operas and operettas. All of them already have Template:Lehár operas at the top of the page which has the exact same works listed and is standard for opera articles see Category:Operas by composer templates. Perhaps better to use your template only for articles on the films made from Lehár's operas and his bio? Best, Voceditenore (talk) 05:52, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for American Heart (song)
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Whaam!
I note you have removed my observation about the aircraft types in the Lichtenstein painting. You state that it lacks references. However it is hard to see how to cite references other than to the Wikipedia entries for the two aircraft involved. The text of the entry reads -

- both aircraft names are linked to the relevant pages in Wikipedia and the differences between them mad clear. Examination of the original art and Liechtenstein's version will, I believe, convince any reader.
 * Lichtenstein also altered the target aircraft to a North American F-86 Sabre (note the oval air intake and low set tailplane). The original target appears to be a Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15 (note the circular air intake with vertical division and tailplane about halfway up the fin). The Lichtenstein version thus shows one US aircraft attacking another.

However, I am still a novice in Wikipedia practice so I may be missing something which is obvious to you.

--Johninghamdavies (talk) 21:16, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

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Copyedit
Sorry, Tony. I'm just floating along these days, not doing reviews or anything that looks like hard work. I'm still enjoying research and writing but doing very little editing except to correct the occasional misspelling or to revert a bit of vandalism. I'm glad you're still at it, though, and I wish you the best. Finetooth (talk) 17:51, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ellis Coleman
The article Ellis Coleman you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Ellis Coleman for things which need to be addressed. LauraHale (talk) 09:47, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Look Mickey/archive1
Hi Tony, I reversed the bot archive of the peer review per your request. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 12:29, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

GA reviews
My bad. Forgot that part. I don't do WP:GAN all that often and didn't read the step on the direction. --LauraHale (talk) 20:55, 12 October 2012 (UTC)


 * If you could do it, that would be great. :) Good work on those articles BTW. --LauraHale (talk) 02:42, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Willy Loman
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DYK for View of the World from 9th Avenue
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Devdas
Nice template! A link to Chandramukhi (character) should also go in it. Can't find a good place though. §§ §§ {T/C} 03:24, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Kinky Boots (musical)
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Paglu and Devdas
Hi, Tony, what's up? How are you doing? Well, AFAIK, Paglu is not relevant in Devdas. It is not based on Chattopadhyay's novel! --Tito Dutta (talk) 07:40, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Ya, paglu and Devadasu too–. I have not seen these films but read the novel (my mother tongue classic after all :)). These are not based on the novel. Plot is completely different. So are the characters. These are novel's adaptation Devdas --Tito Dutta (talk) 07:56, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Greetings, I have seen Dev D (well not full, but most of it), that is directly inspired by Devdas. In reviews and news articles etc it is mentioned the film is on Devdas. Also you can find the same info in the article's infobox etc, see Dev.D. But nothing is mentioned about Chattopadhyay's novel in Paglu etc Wikipedia article or web articles. Thanks! --Tito Dutta (talk) 14:01, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Show me any reference which mentions it? --Tito Dutta (talk) 03:54, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Awkward sentence in Sigma 8-16mm f/4.5-5.6 DC HSM lens

 * The lens is equipped with a built in lens hood and the comes with a ring to mount the front cap over as well as a rear cap.

I can't tell what this is supposed to mean. At minimum, it seems to miss a noun or have an excess article, but I think it really needs rephrasing to be intelligible. Unfortunately, I'm not sufficiently familiar with the details to make a good suggestion. Hope you can remember what was intended here.

Regards,

Samsara (FA • FP) 00:55, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Tony,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Chicago Theatre blend.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on October 26, 2012. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2012-10-26. — howcheng  {chat} 21:56, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Anna and the King
Hi. You created a new template for this, but it seems to me that the top of the template should be Anna Leonowens and King Mongkut with all works based on their lives, starting with Landon's, below. You would also need to add Anna and the King (TV series). Also, it could contain a section for the related historical people, like the king's son, Louis T. Leonowens, etc. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:12, 23 October 2012 (UTC)


 * The only comment on the others that occurs to me is that, instead of separate templates for Oscar Wilde works, can't there just be one template for all of them? I would consolidate templates instead of creating so many little ones.  My feeling is that there are too many templates - perhaps the bar is too low for what needs a template. Just my 2 cents.  All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:44, 23 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, I disagree that so many templates are needed or useful. When you read an article about a work of art, you already have blue links in it to any characters with articles, so why do you need them in a template.  We have so many redundant ways of categorizing and linking things:  Categories; lists; See Also; blue links; templates; projects... it all just gets to be a mish-mash of redundant links, it seems to me.  All these templates seem to me to add clutter to the bottom of articles, until it seems like a sort of arts and crafts project.  That's just my opinion, for what it's worth!  All the best. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:22, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

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Advice on CCI
Thanks for your advice on the recent blp dust-up, I took your advice and beefed up the out-of-town refs and I thought it had blown over; at least, your advice staunched the section blanking and rs deletions, so thanks. Sorry to bother you once again, but you are the closest thing to a "rabbi" I have on wp. One of the actors has returned with a CCI. Never been through this before, and I would appreciate your counsel. Of course I want to conform to WP:PARAPHRASE. If possible I would prefer to address this short of officially opening the cci case. Please note the "fair disclosure" in the CCI request; might we invoke CCI policy discouraging requesting a cci citing an editor with whom one has a dispute? does a cci requester have any responsibility to contact an editor and attempt gf resolution prior to a cci request? Thanks Tony! Hugh (talk) 15:46, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * This seems to be an important issue. Although I usually don't, I am going to respond here to keep everything together. Rabbi!! Wow! Well, I am 'e multis unim' among the throngs of WP editors on certain levels. This is why I noted the out of town consideration, which most editors will relent to on a WP:N challenge. However, I don't know anything about a CCI. Never seen one before. I don't understand its implications/ramifications. Can you it affect your editing privileges? Please point me to specific content at issue.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:31, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. I figured anyone with Chicago cred would understand what "rabbi" means in this context. Thanks for offering to facilitate. Since my above post the case was sadly officially opened. I thought with the backlog at CCI there might be a window to head that off without involving the fine folks of our CCI team, but no. Here is the open case Contributor copyright investigations/HughD which includes 5 alleged instances of copyvio as required for a CCI request. I don't understand the full implications/ramifications either but the one most concerning is that it seems this CCI status authorizes section, sentence and article blanking with no burden of concensus throughout my contributions if insufficent volunteers are found (which of course there never are) to take each contribution by cases, pull the rs & evaluate for close/acceptable paraphrasing. Recall the recent blp dust-up took the form of section blanking and rs deletion, this sure feels like to me a new means to the old end. I don't think my editing priviliges are in jeopardy.


 * Some ideas for going forward. Given CCI policy and the admitted unresolved dispute with the requester I would feel better about this if we were to close this request and ask that the requester find another neutral editor to make the request if necessary. Further, I believe I may have a valid point in the lack of any gf effort prior to jumping to a CCI request. I believe I am in general a conscientious editor and I understand and am committed to conformance with WP:PARAPHRASE but would prefer to work at this outside the formal CCI process.


 * Enough of my contributions include word choices and sentence structures similar to rs that I believe anyone will be able to find 5 examples and file a CCI request if that's their thing, but it's not blatant disregard of WP:PARAPHRASE. By way of explanation without taking anything away from the importance of WP:PARAPHRASE the beat of BLP local politicians means that rs is often newspapers and newspapers use the inverted pyramid so wp summary style tends to converges to the lede of an article; the lede is often the clearest, most concise summary of a few hundred word newspaper article, and there are only so many words for for example "subpoena" or "indicted" so it is to some extent unavoidable to edge close to into WP:PARAPHRASE issues.


 * Anything you can do to smooth things over and get us all back to article space would be greatly appreciated as always. I'm proud of the Burke and Berrios articles, and the Shiller article which was inspired by your Preckwinkle and Jackson, and I'm think of picking up Mike Madigan next. Thanks. Hugh (talk) 21:18, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I have no understanding of this process. I think the majority of the specific examples are vios, but I do not think that this evidence of anything widespread. I think finding one example in each of a few articles is probably normal. Do these cases have discussions where a consensus is reached?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:24, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. I'm unclear on the process myself. That's a key issue you identified: how is concensus reached on opening a case on a CCI request? After the notice I saw there was a backlog and decided to wait a bit to respond, I thought I had a little time to solicite advice from a senior editor (and to cool off a little) before responding, I guess that was a blunder because boom, the case openned, apparently an action of a single editor on the CCI team, with no concensus or discussion. Sigh. Hugh (talk) 17:04, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * What confuses me is the process seems to have cases that have been open for years.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 08:06, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for tracking this unfortunate situation. Yes, it surprised me how quickly and with so little discussion this thing took off. My preference is to resolve this with less wp rigamarole rather than more, so while still unclear on the process I have been trying to engage the requester of the CCI request on the request page in a disussion of CCI policy, agf, and npa, in the course of which the requester stated "it is my view that the cited editor has a lengthy history of copyvio additions." I don't think this is fair. I don't think it is fair to me that the requester filed the request, without, for example, paraphrasing even ONE close paraphrase and having it reverted by me, or, for another example, posting on my talk page or an article talk page on WP:PARAPHRASE concerns. I don't think it is fair to me that the requester admits he has very broad, unstated issues with my "approach towards WP:BLP" which seems to me to be a prima facia violation of a CCI guideline, yet this stands. I don't think it's fair to me that the request stands in light of the requester's admitted assumption of bad faith. I don't think its fair to me that the requester's broad-brush, negative, utterly non-specific characterization of my work, which zinger he apparently could not resist tacking on to the end of his CCI request, which seems to me to be be a prima facia personal attack, be made a part of the permenant record of wp for years. You asked earlier if my editing privileges are threatened, and at the time I thought no, but as I understand this better the CCI request out there for years establishes that I am in fact an editor with a "lengthy history of copyvio additions" which in turn eliminates the normal editor-editor burden of concensus on article, section, and sentence blanking. So yes I think I am being classified as a editor in a category somewhere below gf editor, and my effectiveness and certainly my enthusiasm will suffer. And it would seem I am to be in this status until either 78 articles are blanked or thousands of rs are fetched and compared to article content, which yes could be years. Hugh (talk) 17:36, 28 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Not finding any concensus building prior to this CCI request, Contributor_copyright_investigations/HughD I attempted after-the-fact concensus with the requester, but he has refused further concensus efforts. Do you have time to review the discussion there and offer guidance? I think I have some points about an assumption of bad faith, about a personal attack wrapped in a CCI request, about a novel extension to CCI guidelines on the part of the requester with respect to requesters with an ongoing beef, and a lack of "a large-scale pattern of copyright violation." I've never done an ANI or any other type of conflict resolution outside of article talk pages. Thanks in advance for your time. Hugh (talk) 17:46, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The problem is that you are asking me to be your advisor in a process that I have never encountered. I am not sure of the implications of any action or of the process.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:17, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. We are both unfamiliar with this CCI process. I am not sure what the correct action is, but I am considering a request for comment, user conduct. Are you familiar with rfc/u? I am not but I believe the rfc/u process asks for two editors to attempt resolution prior to requesting rfc/u. Might you have time to serve as a 2nd? I would be very grateful if could you please take a few minutes to contact the requester of the CCI and raise any or all of the following issues you feel comfortable raising: AGF: Prior to your CCI request, did you paraphrase a close paraphrase and it was reverted by the cited editor? Prior to your CCI request, did you contact the cited editor regarding WP:PARAPHRASE? Are admins held to a higher standard of agf than editors? CCI: In your interpretation of CCI guidelines, is there an exemption whereby disclosure of an ongoing dispute exempts the requester from pursuing more appropriate venues? Is there in CCI guidelines a definition of ongoing under which a 7 week quiet period is not ongoing? Are admins held to a higher standard of conformance with wp guidelines than editors? NPA: Is a broad-brush, non-specific negative characterization of a fellow wikipedian's work appropriate in any situation? in a CCI request? Are admins held to a higher standard than editors with reqard to avoiding personal attacks? Thanks as always. Hugh (talk) 17:37, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Possible WP:WLL event
Thank you for an invitation. What is the time and location of planning event? I love to be there if it's not to far from my location (I got 3 fingers of my right hand fractured and I can't drive long distances). belissarius (talk) 18:08, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Pricker Library is to far. My hand allows me to drive 10-15 minutes, and this is 40 minutes on highway. Taxi will be to expensive. belissarius (talk) 00:24, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

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Favor?
Hi Tony,

are you able to take a photo of the waves at Lake Michigan to illustrate : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Sandy#Illinois Victor Grigas (talk) 06:02, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Lajoie
Hello there. Since it's been a few days just thought I'd drop by and see if there was anything left you wanted me to tend to on the Nap Lajoie article. Cheers! Zepppep (talk) 01:48, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey
I love the poseidon adventure and all the other movies like that please put some more pics and moke it longer by the way if your a boy writ about your self or if your a girlm write about your self thanks from joe — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.95.184 (talk) 01:54, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Joe! Thank you for your input here. I think Tony is a boy, and his writing about himself is on his User Page (just next to this talk page). But, Wikipedia is not really a social network... you might want http://www.runescape.com/ or http://www.clubpenguin.com/ or http://www.moshimonsters.com/ ... good luck! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:21, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

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