User talk:Tony Holkham

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 * Then sign your message with four tildes ( ~ ) – that will automatically produce your user ID and the date. Thanks.  Tony Holkham   (Talk)  22:27, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

CCI
Hi Tony - great to see you. I'll leave Pages 1861 to 1880 to you or we'll edit-clash. It would be nice to clear this on St David's Day! KJP1 (talk) 12:57, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll do my best.  Tony Holkham   (Talk)  13:00, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm now going down Pages 1761 to 1780 - we'll meet somewhere! KJP1 (talk) 14:28, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Not sure how much I will get done as other things wanting my attention, but will press on for the moment. ;o))  Tony Holkham   (Talk)  14:33, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * No worries, really appreciate the help. The end is definitely in sight! KJP1 (talk) 14:35, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Got to break off now, but will continue later if there's still some to be done.  Tony Holkham   (Talk)  14:57, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hugely appreciate it. I think there are only five entries left, which should be done before you're back! KJP1 (talk) 15:35, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

We're done. Really, really appreciate your help. KJP1 (talk) 16:35, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

And on a different note entirely….
Just wanted to offer a belated congrat.s on your GA for Pembrokeshire. Casting about for something new to get my teeth into, I looked at the county article for my own adopted county, Monmouthshire. Although some editors have done some good work, it’s not in great shape, with big chunks missing which I would have expected to see; Economy, Transport, Demographics, etc., etc. So I thought I would see how other Welsh Principal areas were handled, and came across Pembrokeshire. It’s a model! - and I’m not surprised it’s the only PA GA. I hope you will take it as a compliment if I shamelessly nick the structure, with proper attribution of course. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 17:18, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * - Thanks for your kind comments, and good luck with the GA quest. It's hard work and close collaboration, but nice to enjoy the process, and a source of pride to be involved in it. Not sure I'm up to it for the future, as I have been editing much less of late, but who knows? I'll be interested to see how Monmouthshire goes - it's not a county I know that well, but have driven through it many times.  Tony Holkham   (Talk)  21:28, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Lifeboats & Ojsyork
Dear Sir I am troubled by your comments while discussing lifeboat names, or unnamed.

I only started updating in November. Most lifeboat pages were found missing or needing up to date information, so I grabbed the bull by the horns, and started making updates. The most significant thing I have done, is rearrange fleet tables so they are all the same format, and added a whole section of Station Honours for nearly all pages.. I have added missing boats, ON numbers, class types etc as referenced by the LBES handbook, and added info such as 30-foot Self-righting (P&S), taking great care to maintain format. I do not wish to upset anyone.

Having not made any significant contribution for 5 years, this chap seems to have taken umbridge at my attempts to make updates.

I have had updates completely rewritten after just 12 minutes. I have suddenly found pages and tables rearranged while I'm mid edit. He has been trailing me around all the South West sites, making a point of changing every addition I have made, changing Unnamed to (No Name), changing class type to whatever he chooses - I believe the latest one is 'Standard Lifeboat', and making all tables sortable - even ones with only two entries. He is deleting entries to valid pages, such as 35ft 6in self-righting lifeboats. And in one case, he created a whole history of gallantry, so he could delete my Station Honours entry.

I'm not well acquainted sufficiently with Wiki to be able to raise a fuss and say vandalism.

I'm not a bad guy. I'm really very reasonable and care about what I do. I have now created a further 12 station pages, one on Steam-class lifeboats, one on Civil Service lifeboats, and created or amended all the D-class pages.

So please don't judge me by my profile notes, which are borne of the absolute nonsense I have endured from a fellow member of the group after only days into editing. MartinOjsyork (talk) 20:55, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 * - I have read some of your discussions and remarks with (and about) other editors as a result of following some of the articles you have edited. Your repeating some of the difficulties here on my talk page only confirms my initial instinct not to join the discussion and increase the wordage. Thank you for the articles you have created, and good luck with your editing. If I may offer one piece of advice, it would be to remember above all else that Wikipedia is a collaborative project, and that may sometimes require us to compromise. I think that's key to happy editing. Best wishes, Tony.  Tony Holkham   (Talk)  10:03, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply and advice.
 * Martin Ojsyork (talk) 11:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

RNLI Medals
Hi Tony

Just seen your edit on RNLI page I've been struggling to know what to do about the entry from RNLI Historian The first one was a complete cut and paste from the RNLI.(copyright contravention). But I thought the info maybe worthy of being included somehow, so I rewrote with a citation. He's just deleted some of the extra ref to his accompanying crew and bronze medals. and now you have moved it - but I'm not sure it should be included in the list of multiple medal winners??

He has also just added his original cut and paste to the RNLI Medals page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awards_of_the_Royal_National_Lifeboat_Institution In the eyes of Wiki, its complete Copyright contravention. MartinOjsyork (talk) 09:18, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


 * - I've deleted it as non-multiple.  Tony Holkham   (Talk)  10:08, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


 * - If there's a copyright violation, you should remove or rephrase it and explain in the edit summary.  Tony Holkham   (Talk)  10:14, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Little and Broad Haven extra lifeboat
...was listed in the LBES handbook as Littlehampton!

MartinOjsyork (talk) 15:57, 10 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Good thing you spotted that :o)  Tony Holkham   (Talk)  16:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Updating Littlehampton, and the boats didn't tally.
 * So a quick message to Richie, who confirmed it was Little Haven, so both pages updated.


 * Hope you like some of the other welsh updates / former stations..


 * Martin Ojsyork (talk) 17:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, very impressed with your work. Thank you.  Tony Holkham   (Talk)  20:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

RNLI IP editor
Thanks for the revert on RNLI. Be aware of this SPI report - Sockpuppet investigations/Wisdom-inc 10mmsocket (talk) 12:02, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry - that's actually a different person. Still a good revert though!! --10mmsocket (talk) 12:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC)