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From Bedrooms to Billions
The notability of this film is questionable. A self-funded documentary film by a relatively unknown pair of directors that has not yet even been released might not quite meet the criteria for inclusion at Wikipedia. The Metro article is good, and helps the project, but it is only one article. I am unable to assess the other references (my company firewall prevents access to those sites) but since they are gaming-related sites (or the film's own IMDb entry), they may not constitute significant independent coverage as required.

If you can provide more instances of general interest coverage, such as the Metro article, that would help greatly. Please remember to keep a neutral tone when writing about this film or any other subject at Wikipedia. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:47, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

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From Bedrooms to Billions
Stop spamming this on video game articles. 1. The statement is not noteworthy. 2. You've provided no reliable sources for any of the edits so I'm reverting all of them. 3. Your userpage indicates that you are the director of From Bedrooms to Billions meaning spamming it on articles is a conflict of interest. --The1337gamer (talk) 14:16, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

I see your point but it's a pain. Many of the developers in questions have been requesting to properly record the games from the film as we had permission for their use. I wanted to keep the reference factual and accurate so in many cases it is jut a small factual mention, especially if the developer or creator was also featured in the film. If you are a game fan (as you appear to be) maybe you can help me do it properly, I can provide you with a copy of the film if you wish. I am obviously relatively inexperienced with wikipedia so wish to work within the correct bounds but we are only a small team. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.171.139.31 (talk) 14:44, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * A game's inclusion in the documentary is not noteworthy. This is an encyclopedia and trivial mentions such as this should be not be included on video game articles. It seems more like an attempt to promote your own documentary more than anything. --The1337gamer (talk) 14:53, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

You seem to be taking a very negative view on this, there is no need to be offensive. One example you removed the reference from the Manic Miner entry, however the very meaningless entry to the game influencing Nathan Barley from 2005 remains. In addition Matthew Smith the creator of Manic Miner gave the film his only recorded interview and himself and the game in nearly 30 years and you deleted this information. I just want to be clear, you are removing all references to any games or personnel who created those games from wikipedia entirely? I already said earlier I respect the time you put in to make sure a wonderful resource like wikipedia is kept as corporate free as possible, but I set aside a lot of time to do this, and I have requested to work with you to out them right. Is this not of interest to you as a video game fan? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonytestly (talk • contribs)
 * The statement you added to Manic Miner is unsourced. Information on Wikipedia should be verifiable. The statement also does not indicate that the clip featured in the documentary is of any significance or importance. All you are doing is namedropping the documentary on hundreds of articles without sources or useful commentary. It's spam and it's not appropriate. --The1337gamer (talk) 15:10, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

The Nathan Barley entry also has no source. To me it seems as if a newbie started making entries, it showed up on your radar and you took it upon yourself to remove everything. You have no idea how many of these developers have been asking for this. Fine the film is of no interest to yourself, and fine if you don't want to assist me to do it myself, which let's be honest a lot of companies pay staff to do for them. I choose to keep it basic and simply factual. It seems to me that the information has no interest to yourself as I see factual references to media being feaured in other media all the time and often with film there is no source given. Despite your insistence that I am some cigar chomping corporate mogul looking to further his interests (the film has bene out more than a year also) as a filmmaker who champions programmers and geeks I fully respect what you do so no hard feelings! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonytestly (talk • contribs)
 * I've been around here long enough to recognise what content is appropriate on video game articles and when someone is spamming. The statement you were adding to articles is not appropriate, is unsourced and is a clear conflict of interest. --The1337gamer (talk) 15:32, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

I simply went through each game as it appears in the film and entered it in. Perhaps as it was done so often you could view it as spamming. I'll go back and tell the developers what you have said and if you don;t mind provide them with a record of this conversation. I don't agree with you on the info not being of interest, in fact I was trying to simply keep it factual. I'll ask the developers to make their own entries as I'm sure if I try to do it for them again you'll be on me right away. Most of the film's fans are computer programmers so I'm sure enough people will want to help those devs out now that I've tried. For the record though, I was not trying to promote the film, I'll concede on all your points but not that one. British games are a passion, hence making the film, and many of those developers only speak on the film and we've donated it free of charge to every school who wants it. I'd appreciate it if you could replace the Ben Daglish post though, he composed much of the film's music and he is really ill at the moment and the sales of his music go straight to him. You only need to google it to see he composed it along with Hubbard, plus it's on iTunes, however if you simply do no want to assist then fair enough and best wishes! As I said I'll keep all your points in mind! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonytestly (talk • contribs)
 * You clearly don't understood how Wikipedia works. So, I'd recommend you spend some time reading through the guidelines and policies that are linked in the welcome message at the top of your talk page to get a better understanding of what you are doing wrong. Getting other people to add the same information to articles for you isn't going to be of any benefit. And, no I won't be restoring any unsourced information. --The1337gamer (talk) 15:55, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

I am in agreement with The1337gamer. The appearance of a clip of a video game in a documentary is not notable in itself. And you adding this is a clear conflict of interest. If you wish to "properly record the games from the film" then I would suggest that this is not the place for that. Use your own website to credit contributions to your film, not Wikipedia. What would be suitable is if you used the documentary as a source for information about the games that was notable. (Although films are difficult sources to verify.) Is there anything in the documentary that could tell readers of Wikipedia something new and significant? Some of what you added may be suitable in this sense, but the fact that you set out to spam multiple articles with trivia about your film is understandably going to make other editors wary. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 17:22, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

All fair points. May I ask where you say if there were interesting points learnt about specific games perhaps discovered or only reported by the documentary that could (perhaps) deem them suitable for inclusion in an article about those games or programmer, someone closely linked to the source can or cannot enter them? Having had quite a learning curve today would assume not but just want to be sure. Also if a website reported on a specific section on the film, say the struggles a specific programmer had with a game that was featured in the film then I assume that would be a good source. Please understand I do agree with you both, but the Nathan Barley reference on Matthew Smith's Manic Miner has me confused as it is not sourced so is it allowable as it is somehow treated as an influence? The thing is I am a video game historian and the film uncovered so much but it will be difficult to add anything referencing the film without it looking like a conflict of interest as I'd have to reference the film as the source. By the way the way the website idea is a good one so thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎Tonytestly (talk • contribs)
 * The Nathan Barley sentence on Manic Miner should be removed, it is unsourced trivia. Just because information is on an article, doesn't mean it is allowable. There is so much content on Wikipedia and anybody can edit a Wikipedia page, so it is not logistically possible to maintain quality and content on every article. Lots of people add rubbish and unsourced information to articles every day, it gets overlooked often. As for using the documentary as a reference to cite information from, that is fine assuming it is a reliable source. For example, if you want to add new useful and noteworthy information about the development or reception of a game that was covered in the documentary, then you can do that by adding a reference at the end of a sentence (see Citing sources). Ideally we want to use web or print references though, as they are easier to verify and archive than video content. You can read more about referencing information here: Help:Referencing for beginners. Also if you are genuinely interested in contributing to video game articles on Wikipedia, then read WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines, it is page covering the general guidelines for video game articles. --The1337gamer (talk) 20:56, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

December 2015
Hello, I'm The1337gamer. I noticed that you made a change to an article, OlliOlli, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. The1337gamer (talk) 14:25, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello, I'm The1337gamer. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Sniper Elite III ‎, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. The1337gamer (talk) 14:26, 12 December 2015 (UTC)