User talk:Top Jim/Archive 1

thanks for jumping in
at Bainbridge Bunting. I just dashed it off and now am off to work and was worried that some wikizealot would appear and raise a fuss. Your category will help prevent that. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 15:53, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Happy to help, thanks. Top Jim (talk) 15:54, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * And now I see that you have done a lot more. Life is good.Carptrash (talk) 15:55, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

sarwari qadri
i dont understand really what is gmrdsardar intention. firstly they deleted the old article without any users permission and trying to show others are wrong. but in my opinion, if they think they are true they should create a separate article with proofs of supporting documents instaed they dont have any rights to delete others article without any permission and discussions as per wikipedia policy. i also want to remind gmrdsardar that, just by creating two pages of html websites will not show them the right cause. hope i haven't shown any conflict of personnel interest just want to justify to someone that dont underestimate others.

and requesting wiki team to approve the old article which was in the name of sarwari qadri. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shajahanwiki125 (talk • contribs)
 * I don't understand: which article do you think should not have been deleted? Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 09:53, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Wow
Eric Shinn; sorry I didn't read that closer! Thanks for tagging with db-attack. &mdash; Timneu22 · &#32; talk 10:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. It's probably a joke page rather than an attack page, but I like to err on the side of caution to avoid turning Wikipedia into a steaming pile of libel. Top Jim (talk) 10:29, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Stephen Boler
Thanks for the cat add on Stephen Boler. BrainyBabe (talk) 14:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Anytime! Top Jim (talk) 15:05, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Conflagration
Hey Top Jim, Please delete that Great Conflagration article. My younger brother created an account and thought that would be funny. It's a joke article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsanders1976 (talk • contribs) 15:20, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 15:22, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

DellaTech
Regarding the recent deletion tag placed on the article DellaTech, I believe this should not be deleted, as it is currently useful to a number of customers, locals, and residents across the UK. It contains information about a vital company (such as Geek Squad) that would be of interest to many. The company is going to be expanding across Europe in the near future, and as such, requires information such as source, location and history which is something irrelevant to put on the website. Please consider your choice. Thank you. Jamie —Preceding unsigned comment added by Solidsnake1211 (talk • contribs) 15:48, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your contribution, but the article's been nominated for deletion on the grounds of WP:Notability. There's zero assertion of notability in the article. Please see also WP:ITSUSEFUL, and WP:Conflict of interest: if your company is notable, then please wait for someone else to write about it. As I wrote on your talk page, please don't remove the speedy tag yourself: if it's been nominated in error, then an admin will remove it. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 17:59, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Deletion test page
Sorry, i'm italian and I copied the wrong url. --Genuzzu (talk) 13:16, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries! Top Jim (talk) 13:18, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

i need help editing my page, can you proof read it for me and tell me what i need to do to make it wiki worthy...thanks
HI Can youhelp me edit my page please Im having trouble editing it. Can you tell me if it is ok the content?? thank you its  Mohamed Yehia Zakaria

thanks sirAnyz 16:05, 7 October 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azny4644 (talk • contribs)
 * Hello Azny4644, it's looking much better now. I've done some more editing on it too: all it needs now is some more references. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 22:50, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok Thank you Jim, im having touble with citations.. can you give me an example?i m having touble editing it on the page im not sure how o do it.. thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azny4644 (talk • contribs) 20:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, you can see some examples at WP:CITEFOOT. There's also one in that M. Y. Zakaria article already at Mohamed Yehia Zakaria, at the end of the sentence "...had its highest ever net profit of 17 AED million." Ask if you have any more questions. Top Jim (talk) 22:44, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Dave's One Night Stand
Hi Jim,

I received your note about speedy deletition of the Dave's One Night Stand page I recently created.

Could you please advise how I can avoid this happening? I have seen several articles about TV shows where the format is not too disimilar. I understand this could be preceived as an advert so any advice greatly appreciated

Thanks

Westerveld Westerveld (talk) 16:02, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello Westerveld, WP:SPAM is a good place to start. If you're in doubt, you could always create a draft version in a userspace draft, and then ask some experienced editors to take a look at it before you copy it into the main article space. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 22:40, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

User:Longdongdiver
Regarding your recent report to WP:UAA, please see this comment from the user; I think their response should satisfy any concerns you might have with the potentially offensive meaning of "long dong".  Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  16:15, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks like it's true. :-) Sorry for the misunderstanding. Top Jim (talk) 22:39, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem, easy mistake to make (I understood your concern though you didn't clarify the report, after all). For ambiguous names like this which might be an obscenity but could be something else though, it's usually best to discuss it with the user first and take it to WP:RFCN if they ignore your message or decline to explain. The easiest wayt to do that is with .  Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  22:45, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, will do next time, thanks. Top Jim (talk) 22:47, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Portfolio
i just created Almerindo Portfolio. was wondering how you jumped on it so fast to make some much appreciated improvements? thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ccirulli (talk • contribs) 07:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You're most welcome! Thanks for the excellent article. Top Jim (talk) 07:15, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Confusion
I have a question: I put up an aritcle about Peter Bruner, who was a slave born in Kentucky in 1845. In the article, I talked about his life and all the experiences he went through as a slave, later as a soldier, and finally as a free man who built a wonderful life for himself and family, despite all odds being against him. Then I got a message saying it was to be speedily deleted becuase the subject of the article (Peter Bruner) was not historically significant. My question is...why? Lindsay Lohan has a multiple paged article, but the past slaves of our country are not considered "historically significant" enough to simply have a Wikipedia article written about them? I am confused by your reasoning and if you could enlighten me, I would much appreciate it.

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aclymer1339 (talk • contribs) 14:21, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Take a look at WP:GNG for an indication of criteria which articles need to meet to be considered notable enough for inclusion.  Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  14:23, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * There are tons of articles on Wikipedia that ought to a lot bigger than the Lindsey Lohan one. Take a look at Category:Articles to be expanded and Category:American slaves, and please dive in and help. If you know a lot about a certain subject, then please join up with one of the many Wikiprojects, all of which are very keen to get your help expanding their articles. Please don't take it personally that the subject of the article you created wasn't judged to be notable enough: it's not a reflection on you or your editing abilities. Thanks in advance for your help. Top Jim (talk) 14:53, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Percy Ann
...or whoever... I don't think I've seen as unreadably dense a bit of text in years! Keep up the good work. Peridon (talk) 10:41, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh heh, thank you. Top Jim (talk) 10:59, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Jim
I want to create a page on employee performance. There is no page about it, and i want to add knowledge.

Please don't attempt do delete my page even before i have created it. Thanks :) Hoping for your cooperation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Creativaindia (talk • contribs) 13:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello, please add referenced information to the existing article: there's no need to create a separate one yet, and what you've added so far is an essay with a lot of Original research in it. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 13:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I would add referenced material now. Please give me time to do it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Creativaindia (talk • contribs) 13:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Can you tell me whats wrong in my way of proceeding? Please. It would be a great help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Creativaindia (talk • contribs) 13:29, 9 October 2010 (UTC)


 * What's wrong is that despite my warning you four times not to remove the speedy template from the article you created, you removed it a fifth time with this edit. Then you pasted your unreferenced promotional screed over a perfectly good article with this edit. If you don't stop vandalizing pages, you're going to get blocked from editing by an admin. Top Jim (talk) 13:34, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

copyvio vs spam
Sorry about  the EC. Anyway, copyvio is more serios that  spam even :) --Kudpung (talk) 13:47, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * When I'm in the frozen foods aisle at the supermarket, and can't decide between two flavors of ice cream, I nearly always settle the dilemma by choosing both. :-) 13:56, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

QA About delete
Hi Jim, I am technology journalist and I'm new at wiki policy and rules. some of the info that i did was based on other changes that i have found in other places ,what was wrong with what I did? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DrTheNewWay (talk • contribs) 20:04, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I've cleaned up that section in Near Field Communication, and restored the entry about Digimo running the trial in Israel: all it needs now is a reference from a WP:Reliable source. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 20:16, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of SUMObot


The article SUMObot has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Unreferenced stub with very little context.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing  will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a message on my talk page. @ 05:44, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed: I tagged it for maintenance, but there's nothing online supporting notability. Thanks for copying me. Top Jim (talk) 05:57, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Categories at Central Luxury House
Top Jim, thanks for adding categories to Central Luxury House. If you're feeling generous could you also mark it "patrolled" at Special:NewPages? I'd appreciate it. Hope you're doing well. Saebvn (talk) 19:50, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, done. Interesting article BTW, I'd never heard of that. It would be a good idea to add references from other sources though. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 20:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Have spent part of this afternoon, when I'm supposed to be working, looking for other articles. Looks like the satellite images were taken from an individual project where a journalist or researcher poured over Google Earth images to find images of the elites' residences and reeducation camps, prison camps, etc.  The problem is that so little is known about the DPRK that images and explanations are hard to come by.  Will keep looking.  Thanks.  Saebvn (talk) 20:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Dialog Axiata
Apologize if the content sounds as if it's advertising motivated. However it's not. In fact the turn around of Dialog from Performing to Non-performing and then Performing again is an important case study for Sri Lankan enterprises. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Milindat (talk • contribs) 07:51, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Adding case studies about the company is fine, but you'll need WP:Reliable, WP:Secondary references to support that, and all of your edits to the article so far have been highly WP:PROMO. Please have a read of WP:SPAM: Wikipedia is not the place to post marketing for your company. Thank you, Top Jim (talk) 07:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

The Flood (novella)
Thanks for the helping hand. My first literary stub. Anthony (talk) 18:56, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Excellent work, thank you. Another one of Zola's works I still haven't read yet...  Top Jim (talk) 18:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The is, unlike many of their efforts, quite well read, if you like talking books. Anthony (talk) 19:02, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I had never heard of Librivox, thank you! I'm listening to it now.  Much obliged. Top Jim (talk) 19:04, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Top Jim. You're welcome. I listen to them when I'm too busy or tired to read. Do you think I should move this to its French title (L'Inondation), it having been authored in French? Anthony (talk) 11:29, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, yes that's a good idea, as the other novels in Category:Novels by Émile Zola are all in the original French. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 15:14, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Cheers. Anthony (talk) 17:05, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. My first page move! Anthony (talk) 05:25, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Top Jim (talk) 07:46, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Will o'the Wind
I've changed your csd vandalism to a prod blp. He does seems to exist and appear on Stern's show. (I feel glad I live in the UK and have no TV anyway...) Peridon (talk) 19:29, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Egad. Thank you. Top Jim (talk) 19:32, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Name change
Hi Jim,

I have uploaded a new page but would like to change my username as it conflicts with the article!

Can you please give instructions of how I do so? —Preceding unsigned comment added by EllipseUK (talk • contribs)
 * Hello, you can find info on how to do this at WP:Changing username. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 14:15, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Jim,

I've changed my username now!

When does it come into action as I would like to publish the 'Group Risk Scheme' page and another one

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by EllipseUK (talk • contribs) 15:01, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

CSD A1
Hi there Jim. I saw you tagged Edward anthony mason cullen for speedy deletion under WP:CSD. However, since there was sufficient context to identify the subject, this was not an apprioate criterion. I have instead deleted the page under WP:CSD. Please make sure you review the WP:CSD, to help avoid making errors in tagging in the future. Cheers, and keep up the NPP work :), - Kingpin13 (talk) 07:46, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. But I'm so out of touch with TV culture that I'd never heard of Edward Cullen, and assumed from the editor's previous edits that it was some sort of joke or disparagement of an acquaintance. Next time I'll be more thorough. :-)

Thanks
Good Day Top Jim,

Thx for your warm Welcome. Thank you also for the Help links, I have read them and made some improvements to the article.

Would be glad to read back from you.

Many Thanks Barcelona2010 (talk) 13:10, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello, and thanks for your contributions. The new references look good - please ask if I can be of any more help with the article. Top Jim (talk) 13:14, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Top Jim,

thank you very much for your response. What changes should be done at "External Links" to answer the red question mark? Or could you remove the question mark?

Many Thanks again! Barcelona2010 (talk) 12:54, 14 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I've removed that tag, it looks done to me. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 12:59, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

reply from Fahamid (talk) 09:53, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
hey, how r u ? Hope fine. I just have written that article, coz i live in that district. I have all the info abt that clg. Remember one thing. I am not a fake person.
 * Hello, and thanks for your contributions. Please note that you shouldn't sign your contributions in an article itself, but do please continue to sign your additions to talk pages. Top Jim (talk) 10:00, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Request to remove wikify=October 2010 from Dialog Axiata
Hi, Top Jim. I have gone through the article and wiki-fied most of the text. Appreciate if you could go through the article and if there aren't any more, to remove the wikifiy tag. Thanks! :) Milindat (talk) 10:19, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 10:53, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Fasthosts page
Hi Top Jim,

My first wiki entry has been flagged up due to Conflict of Interest. I feel the article has been written by a neutral point of view after reviewing other wikipedia pages such as United Internet, 1and1 and heart internet. Please let me know what we specific elements of the article you feel are in breach of wikipedioa terms and I will correct those.

All the best, --Fhsupport (talk) 13:44, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your contributions, but I would strongly recommend that you not edit an article about your company: please see WP:COI. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 13:45, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello Top Jim, The page was not created for any promotional purposes, solely to give a neutral viewpoint of one of the UK's web hosting companies. Do you know if wikipedia will allow this page to stay online?

Thanks --Fhsupport (talk) 14:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I won't be nominating it for deletion, as there's nothing promotional about it. There was an AFD discussion on this article before at WP:Articles for deletion/Fasthosts, but that was 4 years ago, and in my opinion there wasn't a strong case for deleting it even then. Another editor might disagree though - who knows. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 14:06, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Top Jim --Fhsupport (talk) 14:20, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Christopher Richard Barker & Nick Drake
Dear Top Jim,

The creation of a page for the author CRB is justified and the links verify the claims made therein. Indeed, a downloadable PDF of the first part of Barker's collection 'Tenebrous Tales' proves that it includes a 50pp novella based upon the life and death of Nick Drake. Furthermore, I can furnish you with emails between the author and Drake's former manager Joe Boyd which further prove the existence of the book and tale.

Please don't hesitate to contact me if you need any further clarification. This is the first article I have created and I studied other Wikipedia articles and tutorials very carefully before creating it. Thanks in advance for any tips or pointers you can supply.

(Curemaniac (talk) 18:07, 14 October 2010 (UTC))
 * Hello Curemaniac, and thanks for your contribution. The article doesn't seem to assert notability per WP:CREATIVE, WP:BIO or WP:GNG. Am I missing something? If there is more to tell about the man, then please let me know and I'd be happy to help you with adding references etc. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 19:55, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Top Jim:

The author published & edited two award-nominated collections by the highly notable Reggie Oliver, and reviews for his own short stories have been very praiseworthy (citations from his Wikipedia peers can be obtained, but probably not until after the weekend). His fictionalization of Nick Drake is the first of its kind and has been especially lauded and involved consultation with the legendary music producer Joe Boyd. The BBC's Head of Radio Drama was planning to produce a dramatization of one of Barker's stories when an unexpected shake-up led to the dropping of the project at the last moment. Barker has also completed a mainstream work of Dystopian fiction which is about to be placed with a high profile London publishing house. He is also working-up the abandoned radio-play into a screenplay. Hope this helps. PS. Several inferior authors and publishers have Wikipedia entries. Please could you what the precise criteria for inclusion is? Thanks in advance! (Curemaniac (talk) 20:11, 14 October 2010 (UTC))
 * As noted above, the relevant guidelines can be found at WP:CREATIVE, WP:BIO or WP:GNG, but they're not precise. By which high profile London publishing house is his work about to be published? Have you got references supporting that? Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 20:17, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

It is unprofessional to announce the name of the publisher until contracts have been signed; however, there is no reference to this novel in the Wiki entry! In the meantime, I have added inline citations to the article which should go some way to allaying your fears that this is a valid article. All of the internal references - to books published by the author and playwright Reggie Oliver, to proof that Barker has authored numerous stories as well as a collection of his work - validates the claims made in the article. Indeed, many other lesser authors have been claiming that some vague, unnamed publisher is about to publish their next book for years, but nothing ever materialises. No such claims are made in this article. As soon as a new project has been commissioned or completed, only then will the article make reference to it. Hope this helps you lift the warnings on the article but please feel free to contact me direct and I can copy you (for examples) between the author and Joe Boyd proving (for example) the claims made about the Nick Drake tale. Thanks! (Curemaniac (talk) 21:02, 14 October 2010 (UTC))
 * Are you Christopher Richard Barker? You seem to have unreleased information on his career: if you are connected with him then please have a read of WP:Conflict of interest and edit with caution to ensure a WP:Neutral point of view. I'm afraid nothing you've mentioned so far appears to support notability for Barker per the notability criteria I mentioned above, so I'm going to propose it for deletion. If you can supply further information supporting the article's suitability for inclusion then the waiting period should give you time enough to add it. Regarding other Wikipedia articles on authors whom you regard as lesser or inferior, please have a read of WP:OTHERSTUFF. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 21:37, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

No, I am not Barker. Who are you in 'real' life?

If you propose to delete this article then presumably you will be equally interested in deleting the dozens / hundreds of other articles by equally obscure or less known individuals that I have chanced across?

I am sorry, but this seems to be quite a malicious proposal of yours. Barker was instrumental in helping to launch the literary career of Reggie Oliver; he was worked with many well-known third parties; and his debut collection has received excellent reviews. All of this has been proven by valid citations. It would appear to border on victimization.

Please could you advise who I should complain to? I would like to escalate this to a higher level in addition to providing you with a long list of less worthy Wiki articles.

(Curemaniac (talk) 21:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC))
 * You can start by making your case for why the article shouldn't be deleted at the AFD discussion, as I've noted on your talk page. You are also most welcome to point out articles to me that don't meet Wikipedia criteria for inclusion: I spend a lot of time clearing them out. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 21:58, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! Re: George Hopkins
Thank you for all your editing! I am new. How do I address the "citations for verification"/ I thought the links and references where okay? I also sent photos, magazine covers and articles to photosubmission@wikimedia.org?! I truly appreciate your help. Randys1girl Randys1girl (talk) 21:56, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello, and thanks for the article. The problem at the moment is that it says a great deal about Mr. Hopkins, but most of this is uncited. I'd recommend you start by having a read of Biographies of living persons, to get to know how best to write a biography article. There doesn't seem to be anything contentious in there, but there's a lot about his achievements that for Verifiability do need some cites. I'll try to look online, and maybe you could find some press clippings online.  One last thing: since you are connected with him by family, it's important that you read Conflict of interest, and make sure that you're careful to write as objectively as possible about him. That's not always easy, but it can be done.  Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 08:07, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

My father and I have been estranged for years and just got back in touch. All this is from verifiable articles, books or people who worked with him. I did send articles and photos of him with William Morris agency on them to the photo submission email. There is nothing online besides what I have noted. I am collecting articles and more photos to submit further evidence of his accomplishments. I promise you it is all true and much more. Just want to make sure I have the documentation before submitting the rest. Again, thank you, really appreciated. Is there some way to have someone else who knows Wikipedia rules and guidelines write articles? My facebook page has a lot of photos of him from work. I am doing my best to create a chronology of his work and document it. Randys1girl (talk) 08:25, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * What specific sort of help are you looking for? I'm quite happy to help you with the references if you like.  You say you sent photos to Contact us/Photo submission: have you had a response yet?  If the photos are already now uploaded, and any unanswered questions over ownership and copyright etc. have been sorted out, then I can help you get the photos into the article. Top Jim (talk) 08:34, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

No response yet, and I am waiting for more photos and articles to support that I should have very soon. I wrote in the email that I sent the photos to the declaration of consent, I see that I need to send that to a different email and will do that this morning.Randys1girl (talk) 15:23, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

list of best selling artists in asia
thank you for warning, i'll gonna improve the article as soon as i can..Russart_1999 (talk) 15:50 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Help with Maroubra Surfers Church page
Hi Top Jim. Thank you for your offer of help. I would be most grateful to have some help as I am not quite sure what is required of me. It is a very kind offer and I would love to take you up on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samgareth (talk • contribs) 03:14, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I've edited it for WP:Neutral point of view. It's not quite clear yet how notable it is per WP:Notability (organizations and companies). Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 09:45, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you so much for all your help Top Jim. Is there any way to demonstrate it's notability? Anything I can help you with? Take care. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samgareth (talk • contribs) 00:54, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * What's needed is coverage of the group from WP:Reliable, independent, WP:Secondary, WP:Reliable sources. If you can find some of those, I'd be happy to help you some more with the formatting. Any more questions, please ask away. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 05:10, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

CCL Label Decorative Sleeves page.
I recently created the CCL Label Decorative Sleeves page. Unfortunately it seems I was a little eager, and didn’t get yourself or one of your colleagues to proofread my article. Also there are neutrality warnings on the page. I do in fact work for the company the article is about, however I’ve done my upmost to put just the facts about the business and mainly focused on the history of the company. I hope this meets with your approval. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aseamons (talk • contribs) 09:08, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You're right, you have tried to keep it objective, and the company does appear to be notable in its market independently of its parent company, so I've done a bit more editing for WP:NPOV and removed the tags. Thanks for the article. Top Jim (talk) 09:23, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Abed Mahfouz
Hello Top Jim. I've removed the db-spam from this article, as I think the person in question is notable enough for Wikipedia and the article is fixable. I've removed the unreferenced content and I notified the creator on the impropriety of advertising here on Wikipedia. Feel free to take the article to AfD if you disagree with my action. Thank you. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 14:14, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No it's fine now, thanks for the cleanup. Top Jim (talk) 15:14, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Dubonnet suspension
Wow, you're quick! Thanks,  ⊂&#124; Mr.choppers &#124;⊃   (talk) 18:51, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you! That's a great article by the way. Top Jim (talk) 18:52, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

/* Speedy deletion nomination of Christopher Swagga Nicholas */
This page is a representation of a music producer that has just achieved success. All the links on the site are valid and googling this artist provides just short of 400,000 hits. (http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&expIds=17259,17291,23756,24878,26637,26692,27023,27151&xhr=t&q=christopher+swagga+nicholas&cp=26&pf=p&sclient=psy&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=christopher+swagga+nicholas&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=7618285d7109e1b3)

There aren't many artists from where he lives and so he is considered to be somewhat influential to the area.

Any help would be gladly appreciated —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matchboxboy (talk • contribs) 22:22, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello, and thanks for contributing. Quantity of Google hits isn't what makes an artist notable, it's quality and depth of coverage. Please have a read of WP:MUSICBIO for more info on the kind of coverage I'm talking about. The hits I can see all seem to be press releases. He might well be notable one day, but doesn't seem to be notable yet. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 05:09, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Los Hermanos Colon
Hi Jim Please help I work with Los Hermanos Colon and I was the one that wrote their Biography I was trying to give Wikipedia some reliable information about Los Hermanos Colon I am not Violating the Copywrite because I wrote the Bio and because I work with them would you like me to post the bio with the Los Hermanos Colon account? I don't know what page to put so you can check the bio in a public site please help thank you Jim...Gladys —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gina2005 (talk • contribs)
 * Hello, and thanks for your contribution. As I noted on the article's talk page, you need to either write the article on your own words, or follow the instructions at WP:IOWN to sort out the potential copyright infringement. Wikipedia can't simply take anyone's word for it that they're the person who wrote the page, it has to be confirmed for legal reasons. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 09:14, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Article Harsh Vardhan Jain
It is been thanking you in doing relevent help for references etc in the Article. As some more corrections are been done now, in order as per your requiremnts. RegardsHARRYMAGIC (talk) 14:54, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No, nothing has changed apart from you removing the maintenance tags and correcting some punctuation here and there. Please fix the problem before removing the maintenance tags, thanks. Top Jim (talk) 14:56, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Kindy see the article before deletion as that was correct by all means and please contact User:Deb as a lot of guidance was given for references etc. Once kindy review the article deleted today. ThanksHARRYMAGIC (talk) 15:39, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Too efficient...
At Harsh Vardhan Jain. Confused the hell out of me. Maybe I should focus solely on editing so you don't speed past me! Bigger digger (talk) 00:44, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. :-) Yeah that one made my head spin too. Not sure why I'm doing so much work clearing out an article which will clearly not survive AFD. Top Jim (talk) 00:46, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I had the same thought, and now HARRYSMAGIC has removed even more of the fluff. Perhaps this editor is learning, or is something more suspicious happening?! Bigger digger (talk) 13:46, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I suspect the former rather than the latter: with the fluff gone, there's not much left to defend on notability grounds. Both of his articles in AFD look like the work of some poor shmoe that he hired to do articles about his family and companies, with encouragement to make it as OTT as possible: "Mr Jain is often seen relaxing at his favourite place for having Afternoon Tea at Dorchester Hotel in London", etc. Top Jim (talk) 13:52, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * But that's what's so confusing – if he'd done all the things alleged there'd be at least a mention of him somewhere other than in SPS. The photos all look like him, with people that look like who they purport to be, and with so many different lighting conditions that photoshopping would've been a pain. But then the websites and company registrations are so much rubbish. On another note, assuming this all gets deleted, will the photos at Commons disappear too or should I go and poke around there as well? Bigger digger (talk) 14:06, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * All good questions. I guess we'll need to wait and see how the AFDs turn out. Top Jim (talk) 14:08, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Stereoflower
Hi Top Jim. Thank you for the welcome.

I was wondering if you could help me, this is my first attempt at making a wiki page and i'm hoping that it is as neutral as possible would you be able to check and make sure everything is in order as I would hate for it to be deleted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereoflower

I'm also trying to change my user name but cant seem to figure it out

Much Thanks

B87 14:18, 20 October 2010 (UTC)Doctor.blythe —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doctor.blythe (talk • contribs)
 * Hi, and thanks for contributing. So far it's pretty neutral, which is not easy, so thanks. You can find how to change your name at Changing username. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 14:21, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I finally figured out how to request a change of user name.

and thank you for the feedback, I tried to only include information that could be referenced to other sources not just personal opinions. providing the page content remains neutral will the TW Coi box eventually be removed or does it have to stay there?

Thank you again

Doctor.blythe (talk)Doctor.blythe
 * No worries, I'll remove it now so long as your edits stay neutral. Good luck for the Oktoberfest gig. :-) Top Jim (talk) 14:44, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! :)

Lando 15:27, 20 October 2010 (UTC)Gromit87 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doctor.blythe (talk • contribs)

Red Reachtagáin
The Schweitzer Institute has confirmed that Ben Noakes is Red Reachtagáin. The Director of the Institute can be contacted on schweitzer.director@gmail.com. If this is insufficient confirmation (and it should only take a moment to get their verification), please contact Michael Hoff at The Schweitzer Institute Journal of Philosophy (submissions.journal@gmail.com), who will be able to provide further documentary evidence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Harness (talk • contribs) 15:54, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Copied to Talk:Red Reachtagáin & then contributed. Bigger digger (talk) 20:34, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, this is good stuff! Back to Talk:Red Reachtagáin for you! Bigger digger (talk) 15:18, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

clarification: duplicate EL from intro, and clarify that it was the first, but there are currently others
hi, caratlane is the first B2C portal in india that sells diamonds directly to customers - it is a retailer. there were other b2b wholesalers that were selling to jewellery shops online but not to customers directly...hope this clarifies. kindly go through this for detailed explanation of the same:http://www.commodityonline.com/news/How-CaratLane-is-selling-diamonds-like-hotcakes-15794-3-1.html

please feel free to contact me for any more clarifications. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kathircaddy (talk • contribs) 05:07, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

The Categorisation Barnstar

 * Thank you! Top Jim (talk) 08:33, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Markus Eliance
Hi, Top Jim.

I wanted to refer you to the discussion page for Markus Eliance, here: Talk:Markus_Eliance. Based on the previous AFD's, this article has been sitting in User:Archer Drezelan's special userspace for some time, going under revision for notability. After review, I decided that the article has met the minimum requirement for inclusion. You may review the sources and match them up to the standards if you wish. Alternatively, If you would like to open an AFD page as opposed to a speedy deletion, that would be much appreciated. Thank you. Cyprian Henterfield (talk) 07:01, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello, I tagged that article as db-repost because at the talk page you didn't say you had added anything new, but only that you had reviewed it and decided that it's notable after all. The 2nd AFD Articles for deletion/Markus Eliance indicates that little had changed since the first AFD, so if the reviewing admin decides the article has changed substantially since the last two AFDs, then I'll take it from there. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 07:06, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I appreciate your assistance. I went ahead and included the most recent significant changes to the article on it's discussion page. Hopefully this will resolve any issues the admins have for keeping the article. Thank you. Cyprian Henterfield (talk) 07:20, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Schooley Page
The page was submitted for deletion by employees at Frozen North Productions, after Schooley outed them for poor business practices. See (http://emilyschooley.com/blog/?p=185)

The page existed for months, and both myself and others made efforts to find more credible articles with neutral points of view from reliable sources.

That it was "coincidentally" submitted for deletion just after Schooley posted her blog post is suspicious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Misssinformative (talk • contribs) 07:47, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * If something has changed substantially since the last AFD discussion, then you need to add that to the article before re-creating it. If you believe that it was deleted in error, then you could list it at Deletion review. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 07:53, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I made a point to find a lot more factual articles between the time it was originally submitted for deletion and when it was deleted. I also submitted the user account created solely to suggest the article for deletion for sockpuppet review. Misssinformative (talk) 07:58, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes there do seem to have been some shady practices in the nomination, as well as reports of personal attacks (I'm not an admin, so can't look at the original edit history), but these seem to have been taken into account at the AFD. Would you like me to move it to a WP:User subpage so you can take your time improving it, adding more sources, etc.? Top Jim (talk) 08:02, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to figure out how to submit it for deletion review - if you could help with that it would be much appreciated. Misssinformative (talk) 08:09, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Please note that you and whoever this is removing the db-repost template is not going to help your case at the deletion review. Top Jim (talk) 08:14, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Fluffy duck
Hi, just ponding your interpretation of NOTHOWTO (I'm not particularly defending the article in question as I still doubt notability); you removed the full recipe but I'm assuming that a description of ingredients (and proportions) would be okay if based on a reliable source (like this one) as this would distinguish it or potentially make it a merge candidate against other cocktail articles? Thanks, Fæ (talk) 10:53, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed, a list of ingredients makes sense, so long as the article doesn't turn into a drinks recipe. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 10:58, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

FYI
Please see Articles for deletion/Combat Marine Outdoors. Drmies (talk) 06:20, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Russell D. Lawson Article Deletion
the article for the historian and writer Russell D. Lawson was deleted because it was "written about myself". i'm in his family but i'm not him, and he really needs a wikipedia page to be found with his website. what changes need to be made to have it allowed on? Lawsor (talk) 10:48, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello, and thanks for contributing. There's nothing in there are the moment asserting notability per WP:BIO or WP:ACADEMIC. In its present state, it's likely to get deleted by an admin. Would you like me to move that to a WP:User subpage to give you time to work on it? Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 10:51, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Baby Blue Eyes Flower Essence
Having deleted my page within minutes of adding, please don't bite newcomers as per the suggestions on wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gregor1974 (talk • contribs)
 * I didn't delete the article: it was a series of unreferenced assertions about the subject of an existing article, Baby blue eyes, so I redirected it there. You've re-added the unreferenced content there, but please have a read of Citing sources. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 12:36, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

ok sorry about that, i am TOTALLY new to wikipedia so still learning. at some point i will get/understand the process of references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gregor1974 (talk • contribs) 12:43, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

jim can you check the baby blue eyes page, i have put in the references to the best of my ablity. Gregor1974 Gregor1974 (talk) 14:54, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reference, and please accept my apologies for not leaving a message on your talk page when I redirected the article you created. No discourtesy was meant: I simply forgot to mention it, but it must have looked quite rude at the time. Top Jim (talk) 16:05, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Top Jim please stop deleting the artic
I want to create a page about watlop, especially about Electromagnetic pen technology. There is no page about it, and I want to introduce this knowledge. Please don't attempt do delete my page even before I had it several times. Thanks. Hoping for your cooperation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Masato araki (talk • contribs) 04:58, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello, and thanks for your contributions. The article doesn't yet assert notability per WP:COMPANY, and I can't find much online about it. Can you please find some WP:Reliable, WP:Secondary sources, online or in print? Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 05:01, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

The Flying Grass Carpet
Hi Top Jim, I was wondering why the text of concept and fact are deleted, I rewrote the sentences so that they are not the copyrighted material. What can I do to keep the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TFGC (talk • contribs) 13:39, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Just write it in your own words, please, and don't keep pasting text from your website. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 13:41, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Can I delte the issue warning myself, now that the page is good? Or can you do it for me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TFGC (talk • contribs) 08:01, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The issues haven't been sorted yet: have a read of the links in the issue tags, and please let me know if you have any further questions on how to improve the article. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 08:05, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

To be honest, I don't understand what the issues are at the moment. I linked several articles in the text, added the references and rewrote the complete text.. Please help —Preceding unsigned comment added by TFGC (talk • contribs) 08:12, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I've wikified it a bit more, and edited it for WP:NPOV. I can't help you with the WP:Conflict of interest issue, but you could try adding links to the article from other articles where appropriate: see WP:Orphan. Top Jim (talk) 08:27, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

I have add all the links I can add, and called the designer to talk about the text. I don't know what more I can do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TFGC (talk • contribs) 08:57, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Equality Law Page
Hi, could you please tell me what I need to do in order for my page to not be deleted. Cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by StevenMcNally (talk • contribs)
 * I'd strongly suggest you wait for someone who's not connected with the company to write it: it needs to be an objective description of the company, not an advert, and it needs WP:Verifiable WP:Secondary sources indicating how the company's notable per WP:COMPANY. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 14:57, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Acer Timeline Page
Hi Top Jim, I tried to modify the page because I saw you have signed it for soon deletion. Sorry but I did understend why you asked for deletion once again. Cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.40.167.197 (talk) 18:41, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * As noted in the speedy deletion tag, it's blatant WP:SPAM. Top Jim (talk) 18:44, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Top Jim. Hope it is fine now. Cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.40.167.197 (talk) 19:31, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Please stop removing the tags from the top of the page. It's still an advert. Top Jim (talk) 19:35, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Altered speedy deletion rationale: Kacey Jordan
Hello Top Jim, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I deleted Kacey Jordan, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, under a different criterion from the one you provided. The speedy deletion criteria are extremely narrow and specific, and the process is more effective if the correct criterion is used. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 09:54, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Acer Aspire Timeline
Hi Top Jim!

I declined the speedy deletion of Acer Aspire Timeline. Not unambiguously promotional. Regards,  (talk) 10:48, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello, yes it is far better than it was, so I won't prod it. Maybe the heads-up will inspire the editor who created it to leave off the purple prose in future. :-) Top Jim (talk) 12:10, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I see that you have done further clean-up to the article, which is great. In fact, an old revision contained additional references. Perhaps those could be incorporated as well? Regards,  (talk) 12:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, good idea, thanks. Top Jim (talk) 12:29, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for editing Sarosh Sami
Hi, Thanks for editing.. I need help on how to cite references. Kindly reply. By the way, Whats your name and where are you from? Thanks, Prerna Seth 14:56, 28 October 2010 (UTC) Prerna Seth —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prernaseth (talk • contribs)
 * Hello, and thanks for contributing. Have a read of Citing sources, and if you have any more questions please ask. Best regards, Top Jim (talk) 14:59, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

KoodibooK page
Hi Top Jim,

Thanks for your message and help. I'm completely new to Wikipedia editing so I'll be taking all your suggestions on board and hopefully will make the article much more in line with expectations.

Regards,

Richard

Richardjgodfrey (talk) 15:53, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Happy to help if I can: please ask away if you have any more questions. Top Jim (talk) 09:11, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Wow
I created a spam article for my friends, and you reacted surprisingly fast. It's good that there are people who work like this, (thanks) but I was wondering why the article was marked as an attack. It wasn't an attack in any way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slathazer (talk • contribs) 01:57, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It named two living people and claimed they were created from a single host in a lab, which doesn't sound complimentary. You may have only meant it as a joke, but we need to err on the side of caution. Top Jim (talk) 02:01, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

well... thanks. Wikipedia needs people like you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slathazer (talk • contribs) 02:12, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering
Hey Top Jim, I am new to Wikipedia and was wondering why my page got deleted. I made a page about a famous new rapper named D-Pryde. I wrote the < > thing on my page and wrote why he is inspirational/influential. He is 17 years old and just got signed. He has over 60,000 fans and is a role model to many. He raps about life, working hard, and never giving up instead of money, drugs, and sex like most rappers. He inspires many because he accomplished a lot at a young age. He shows that anything is possible if you put your mind to it. If you think my page is a scam, you can google him or view him on youtube at "DPrydeMusic." He is well known around the world. Thank you for your time and consideration and I hope you put his page back on Wikipedia.

Celticsrule94 (talk) 03:30, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Celticsrule, and thanks for your contributions. He sounds like an excellent guy, but as you said above he's a new artist who just got signed. Have a read of WP:MUSICBIO for guidelines on what makes an artist notable enough for inclusion on Wikipedia: I'm willing to bet that in a year from now he'll have had airplay, sales, tours, mainstream press coverage, etc. that will make him a good candidate for an article here. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 09:25, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Adrian Brooks
Jim,

Please advise as to the reason for deletion. I have provided references along with publishing information. Adrian Brooks is also mentioned in wikipedia on a page concerning Dan Nicoletta

Thank you

derek

Derek iman (talk) 16:56, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello Derek, and thanks for your contributions. The article doesn't appear to assert notability per WP:BIO and WP:CREATIVE, and I can find no significant coverage online from WP:Reliable sources. Note that Wikipedia articles aren't considered reliable sources for other Wikipedia articles. But if I can help you with adding any references that I may have missed, or if you have printed clippings that support Brooks' notability and want to upload them, then please let me know. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 18:17, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Jim I have a copy of adrian's advocate story. I am confused as to how many books someone has to write to be considered notable enough. His works are published by recognized publishers, and not self published works. Also seems someone is recognized in the gay community should merit inclusion. Unless the Advocate is not considered a reliable source.

Derek iman (talk) 18:52, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The Advocate is a reliable source in my opinion, but writing for a notable magazine doesn't on its own confer notability: please have a read of WP:CREATIVE. Please also be sure to make this case at the AFD discussion, which will normally run for seven days. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 19:37, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey
Been trying to get the Professional Baseball section of Wikipedia ready for the 2011 changes. Yet you are making this quite impossible by trying to have all the new leagues deleted. It's just going to put Wikipedia behind and make it un-updated in the field of Professional Baseball if not all the leagues can be included because you want them deleted. They are legit and notable, so please stop putting them up for deletion. Thanks and good bye. Jntg4Games (talk) 00:06, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * If they're notable, then you need to show why: please have a read of WP:ORG, and if you have any further questions please ask either here or at WP:HELP. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 00:10, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, with Wikipedia criteria, they are subject to [], which covers sports, sports leagues, and sports players. Jntg4Games (talk) 00:13, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You're right, WP:BASEBALL/N WP:NSPORT are indeed the more appropriate criteria here. But the articles I've tagged for deletion are also non-notable under those guidelines. Top Jim (talk) 00:15, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Where in there does it make them non-notable? You at least should bring it up to the baseball Portal before deleting almost every independent league. Jntg4Games (talk) 00:18, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I mean the WikiProject Baseball. Jntg4Games (talk) 00:20, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * So far I have nominated two articles you created for deletion. How are the subjects notable per  the notability criteria? Top Jim (talk) 00:21, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Where in the notability requirements does it give a requirement they don't meet? They are independent professional baseball leagues.  They are at level of play with the affiliated minors.  Now that you want to Pecos League deleted, i'm waiting to see deletion requests on American Association of Independent Professional Baseball, Can-Am League, United League Baseball, etc.  They are just as notable as any other independent baseball league. In fact, Super Independent Baseball is by far the largest independent league.  The Pecos League is one of the elite Independent Leagues, replacing the defunct Continental Baseball League, and Liga Rookie Novato/Mexican Rookie League is affiliated with the Mexican League, a very notable league, and all its other minor league affiliates are included, the Northwestern Mexico Baseball League, the Northern Mexico League, etc. Jntg4Games (talk) 00:26, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:NSPORT ought to be where notability criteria for leagues are listed, and it says in the intro that it covers it, but the text of the guideline in fact mainly addresses player notability, so notability of a league has to be inferred (so far) from the notability of its players. So I think WP:ORG and WP:GNG should also be used here. American Association of Independent Professional Baseball is an established league, which meets WP:NSPORT (by its teams and players), WP:GNG and WP:ORG, and has abundant coverage online in WP:Reliable sources. Ditto for Canadian American Association of Professional Baseball and United League Baseball. The two articles I nominated, however, don't yet meet any notability criteria I can find. Top Jim (talk) 00:35, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm posting this on WikiProject Baseball's talk page. This has to be up to more than one person, and they have much more insight that can prove the notability. Jntg4Games (talk) 00:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * If you check your talk page, you'll see that three separate editors have been nominating league articles you created for deletion: it's not just one person with some kind of grudge. Please don't take the nominations personally: your editing work is excellent, we just disagree about the notability of some of the newer independent leagues. Top Jim (talk) 00:38, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * If all you need is reliable secondary sources, I have plenty of those. Jntg4Games (talk) 00:37, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, reliable secondary sources supporting notability would be great, thanks. Top Jim (talk) 00:39, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Please direct me to where it says what sources are notable and which aren't. There are too many secondary sources to include all of them, and I want to be sure to include the right ones. Jntg4Games (talk) 00:48, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * There are no hard and fast rules on that: just use your judgement. There's a week to go on the prod, and if you think the deletion is unfair, it can always be taken to AFD for a more detailed discussion. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 00:51, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Not so fast Top Jim
It was an apostrophe error; the page you redirected was actually the "right" one according to the manual of style; the other one I must have copied from a website. Daniel Christensen (talk) 02:21, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

I really couldn't figure that one out; I would have never guessed there would be such an error, for I've copied all sorts of fonts and text sizes from other websites in the past with no such problems. Another user pointed it out to me. Daniel Christensen (talk) 02:23, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Eek. There are 4 articles redirecting to each other, as a 3rd editor has got involved now. Top Jim (talk) 02:24, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I think all 3 variant spellings now point to the correct one. Top Jim (talk) 02:27, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you mean the variants on spellings such as o'rorke/o'rourk, or the omissions of certain words such as memorial or colonel from the title; because there are probably about 12 redirects that could be made for this one. Daniel Christensen (talk) 02:29, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * See: Special:WhatLinksHere/Colonel Patrick O'Rorke Memorial Bridge. Top Jim (talk) 02:31, 31 October 2010 (UTC)