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Tips for article: David Wightman
Hi, Just wondering if you could give me some feedback regarding an article that was declined by yourself recently. You mentioned including an infobox - but other artists at a similar or more advanced stage of their career, don't have an infobox (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brian_Smith and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannah_Maybank). Also, could you please tell me how the article could be cleaned-up? I would be most grateful for any feedback. Kindly, Likeabutterfly — Preceding unsigned comment added by Likeabutterfly (talk • contribs) 16:46, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * There isn't necessarily a requirement to put an infobox in, but they can be useful in summarizing the person's accomplishments and to make the article look a bit better. In terms of clean-up, the article is quite short so you might want to try to expand it a bit and break it into sections as outlined in the manual of style. These minor fixes will go a long way towards making your article ready for the main space. Feel free to contact me again if you have any more questions. Topher385 (talk) 16:53, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Neoloy
Hello! Regarding your comment on Neoloy (" I'm inclined to accept this article, but I'm a bit concerned about it being a bit too technical for the average reader. Perhaps another reviewer could weigh in on this as well"), I'm definitely in agreement with it being slightly too technical, but I decided to "be bold" and accept it anyways, because I thought it was well-written and the content interesting enough for it to merit an article. However, I'll leave a note on the creator's page about maybe making the article more relevant to a casual reader. I just thought I'd let you know, because you'd displayed an interest. Cheers, Icy  // ♫ 18:34, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Topher385 (talk) 18:45, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Posted 6 references - how can you say there are no references?
Attached links to 6 media sources for my proposed article. Did you bother to look at them? 6 sources are not enough?

Quickly getting the impression that Wikipedia is not actually open to new content. Or worthy of my time.

Rsmckeeman (talk) 01:59, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It looks like the problem is that you placed your references in the external links section and left the references section empty. You will want to move those links into the reference section and then use in-line citations to connect them to the content of your article. I looked at your sources and it looks like the subject of your article could be considered notable, and once you get your references sorted out and maybe expand your article a bit, it may be ready to move it to the main space. If you need more guidance on citing references you may want to check out the referencing for beginners page. Also, don't hesitate to contact me if you need more help. I hope that clears things up for you. Topher385 (talk) 02:09, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

In-line citations
Hello, Topher... I noticed that you have been declining articles based on lack of in-line citations. Where is that in the reviewer guidelines? If an article is good and properly referenced, the citations can be integrated into the article by the author or the reviewer. If it is in the guidelines, please let me know, as I am new to reviewing... if it is not in the guidelines, please leave a comment to the author instead of declining. Either the author can make the corrections or a reviewer (with time and interest) can make the changes. ''Cheers! Stella'' BATPHONE GROOVES  04:02, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I usually will decline an article only if there are zero in-line citations. I do this for a couple of different reasons. Firstly, in-line citations are one of the hallmarks of Wikipedia as they connect the references directly to the content which they support, so every article should have them to some extent. Secondly, declining them more easily brings it to the attention of the author. I always provide a link indicating how they can turn their references into in-line citations. With several hundred submission waiting to be reviewed, this seems to be the most efficient way to get them pointed in the right direction. I hope that clears up my thinking for you. Topher385 (talk) 14:23, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I understand your thinking, but where is it in the guidelines? Cheers! Stella BATPHONE GROOVES  23:32, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not in the guidelines.Topher385 (talk) 15:30, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Phyllis Zagano
I have been working on this page for Phyllis Zagano for several months and am frustrated by the process. It seems that the most curent problem with my submission is that my sources are, according to you, unreliable. What is unreliable about them? It is that I did something wrong in the submission or do you just consider the sources unreliable. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emmyles (talk • contribs) 15:18, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I am sorry to hear that you are finding the process somewhat frustrating. It can be a tedious task, but reliably sourcing an article is no easy task! For something to be worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, it has to be notable, or important, enough. As I said in my comment when I declined your article, it appeared that most of your sources are either written by Zagano or are interviews with her. These are considered primary sources and cannot be used to establish notability. In order to do so, you must provide secondary sources that are about her, but are independent of her. I noticed that you provided some other sources since the last time I reviewed the article, but I wasn't able to get any of those links to work. Most were dead ends and one went to a site that was subscription gated. I hope that clears things up for you. Please don't hesitate to contact me in the future if you have other issues. Topher385 (talk) 15:48, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Cleanup required - Omar Basaad
Hi Topher. I noticed that you declined the submission http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Omar_Basaad because more "cleanup" was required. Can you specify what cleanup exactly is required, and would you be able to help with any of it? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:26, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm going to reaffirm that. You're simply biting potential editors by directing them to read the monolith that is our Manual of Style. Nobody actually reads that page; it's a reference source. Please do not decline articles based on a lack of inline citations or for miscellaneous "style" issues. Tag them as needed; go a step further and fix it yourself if need be. But do not decline articles on that basis. Thanks, Blurpeace  23:30, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You may feel free to evaluate articles any way you see fit. I have both accepted and declined countless articles based on my own sense of what an article needs as well as discussion with other reviewers and will continue to do so. Topher385 (talk) 23:49, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * We rejected declines based on "inline citations" by consensus. See that here. You are accountable for the review decisions you make. If you continue working in opposition to the Article for Creation process, I will not hesitate to report you to the proper noticeboard (something I very rarely do) or take action myself. Merely a friendly reminder. Best, Blurpeace  23:57, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Ever since I began trying to help around Wikipedia, someone invariably comes onto my talk page to tell me what a terrible job I'm doing no matter what I try my hand at. I read and read and read and read some more to try to learn and improve as I enjoy using Wikipedia and feel the need to help keep it moving forward. I thought I had finally found a home at Articles for Creation, but apparently I'm not doing much good there either. My intention is not to bite new editors but the help them recognize the flaws in their articles to make them as good as they can be before being moved to the main space. I always try to comment on them so that they know exactly why I am declining the article. I was under the impression that AfC was, at least in part, a place to help new editors become better, not to simply write their articles for them. I'm really starting to tire of other editors telling me that I'm detrimental to every project I attempt to help with. Perhaps I'm just a lousy editor myself or maybe I'm just too sensitive. Either way, it may be time for me and Wikipedia to part ways. Apparently, no good deed goes unpunished. Topher385 (talk) 00:15, 29 July 2012 (UTC)


 * First off, let me apologize. Friends from around the project can tell you that I have no patience for any sort of dickery, and I was exactly being one to you. Secondly, all you need to do well here is the drive to do better. If you care about free, global education, then this is the place for you. You clearly care about our shared mission, otherwise you would have stopped editing a while ago. Lastly, a couple mistakes reviewing articles isn't going to get you tossed out. It's just going to attract ignoble editors like myself who take serious offense when they see a review as being done wrong. We really are on the front lines of Wikipedia, and I think we can do the most to improve editor retention.


 * With all that being said, my interest isn't to have you stop doing the good work you already do, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be an open exchange of constructive criticism. One glance at my talk and archives could easily tell you that I have a knack for borking shit regularly around here and having people yell at me for it. I really do appreciate your work around AFC, but submissions are a group project. We shouldn't have to expect newbies to write inline citations themselves and read through the mountains of useless help documentation only encyclopedia editors could produce. I'd be willing to collaborate any time you're up to it.


 * I see you're on IRC as well. Perhaps we could chat sometime? I don't do grudges so feel free to catch me around. I'm in most days as blur (hostmask @wikimedia/Blurpeace). Best,  Blurpeace  01:02, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Article Help
Hi Topher you recently declined my article for submission (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Thomas_Eisfeld) due to a lack of independent sources,I have replaced theses sources with what you asked for and so I am just wondering if there is anything I should do now before re-submitting my article. Thanks in advance Goner 16 (talk) 11:48, 29 July 2012 (UTC)Goner 16
 * I did some reworking on your article by cleaning it up a bit and adding more sources. Based on what I saw, he seems notable enough, so let me know with a message here when you have resubmitted and I will likely accept it then. Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with. Topher385 (talk) 18:40, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for the help,I have added one more source and have now re-submitted the article and hopefully you (or someone else) will be able to accept it. Thanks again for helping with my first article.Goner 16 (talk) 11:13, 31 July 2012 (UTC)Goner 16
 * Sorry to bother you again but my article hasn't been created...do you know when it will be?Goner 16 (talk) 13:44, 31 July 2012 (UTC)Goner 16
 * I created your page, but unfortunately it was deleted afterwards. Apparently, there has been a discussion in the past concerning Eisfeld which you can see here. They came to the consensus that he failed to meet the requirements of athlete notability put forth by WP:FOOTBALL. Since this was done prior to him making his debut, I contacted the administrator who deleted the article and gave my opinion that he appears to pass WP:FOOTBALL now, but he says Eisfeld still fails because he has not played in a fully professional league yet. Given that I know next to nothing about football leagues, this may be true. I noticed that he plays on a reserve team, so that might be the issue. If you feel that he is still notable enough for inclusion, you could post a request to undelete the article, but I cannot guarantee that the consensus will go in your favor. I'm sorry for the inconvenience and wish you well on your future contributions. If you ever need anything, don't hesitate to contact me again. Topher385 (talk) 14:02, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Requesting Review of Slow Aging Article
Permissions were already sent and we were told no permission was necessary for the content. However, you should be able to still access the email) -

The Author sent an email yesterday to permissions-enwikimedia.org, with all the necessary permissions and received a reply that permissions were not necessary. The person who replied was Stephen Philbrick. The email was sent by Kate M. author and owner. The following permissions were sent via email: permissions to release this material under both the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported license and the GNU Free Documentation License. Please let us know what else needs to be done. We are very interested in following the rules and want to do this the right way!Pilot03 (talk) 00:13, 31 July 2012 (UTC)Pilot03
 * I contacted the admin who likely handled the email so that they can confirm that you did indeed have permission. If that is the case, they should be able to reverse the proposed deletion. Topher385 (talk) 00:29, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good thank you!Pilot03 (talk) 00:33, 31 July 2012 (UTC)Pilot03

Thomas Eisfeld
Hi - Eisfeld does not meet WP:NFOOTBALL as he has not appeared in a fully-professional league, and he also fails WP:GNG. When either of them happens, we should look to restore the article as opposed to re-creating it. Regards, GiantSnowman 13:44, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. Again, not really knowing much about football, the league he appears in seems to be fully-professional, though he is listed in the reserves for that league (The Premier League I think it was?) so that might make a difference. Anyway, thanks again. Topher385 (talk) 13:52, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries. He has not played for the first-team in a competitive match - so is not notable. Regards, GiantSnowman 14:34, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

page of Mariano Giaquinta
Hi Topher, thanks on your remarks on the page of Mariano Giaquinta; I have added external references now, I also checked in the pages of other mathematicians there is a similar number of external sources. Do you think it is OK now? Please let me know, in case, I would go on with inserting biographies of further mathematicians. Bye Mathtrento (talk) 16:30, 2 August 2012 (UTC)Mathtrento
 * It seems that the subject of your article really struggles to pass the criteria listed here for notability for professors and academics. It is possible that he might pass given that he has won some fairly prestigious awards. With that being said, most of your references are still from primary sources which means that they are directly connected to the subject himself (e.g. the journal article he wrote). You will need secondary sources that are about him, but are from sources that are independent of him to establish his notability. Also, the sources that you added since I tagged your page still to not establish notability for the subject as they simply mention his name, but do not really say anything significant about him. I hope that helps. Topher385 (talk) 20:25, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Dear Topher, I have re-read the criteria you suggested me to read, and, after the last adds, surprisingly enough, it turns out that Giaquinta meets each and every single criterion of the list (for a scientist), and not just one of them:

"The person's research has made significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources."

Yes, Giaquinta is an ISI highly cited researcher, as mentioned in the page: this means that, over hundred thousands working mathematicians is really in the top 100 for bib impact.

"The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level"

Yes, the previous things apply, moreover Giaquinta got the Humboldt research award and was elected as a member of the German Academy of Science and won the Bartolozzi prize. Finally, he has been invited speaker at one ICM, one of the highest honors in Mathematics.

"The person is or has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association (e.g. a National Academy of Sciences or the Royal Society) or a Fellow of a major scholarly society for which that is a highly selective honor (e.g. the IEEE)."

Yes, Giaquinta is an elected member of the German Academy of Science (as I updated)

"The person's academic work has made a significant impact in the area of higher education, affecting a substantial number of academic institutions."

Yes, he one of the most quoted researchers in math (ISI)

"The person holds or has held a named chair appointment or "Distinguished Professor" appointment at a major institution of higher education and research (or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon)."

He's the director of De Giorgi's center, one of the main research centers in math in Europe

"the person has held a highest-level elected or appointed academic post at a major academic institution or major academic society."

Yes, he is professor at Scuola Normale, one of the most important academic centres in Europe and in the world too

"The person is or has been the head or chief editor of a major well-established academic journal in their subject area."

Yes he is the founder and has been the editor in chief of the Springer journal "Calc Var and pde"

Finally, I have updated not external sources, and references 2 and 9 are external (they are not form the math world)

I hope this is enough. Best, Mathtrento (talk) 23:10, 2 August 2012 (UTC)Mathtrento

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jo Thrillz
Dear Topher,

Thank you for reviewing my Article for creation/Jo Thrillz but unfortunately it was not approved. I would truly appreciate it if my next revision of the article, could be the final one and be a success in being moved to Wikipedia's Article Space.

This constructive critique was left by you:

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms, that are designed to promote or show-off the subject.

Continuing on...

Can you please guide me through the article and point out specifically, which paragraphs and lines need improvement, and how they can be improved? Your assistance will be great help and it would absolutely mean more to me than you would ever know!

Thank you so much and hope to hear from you very soon!

Sincerely,

--RanyL (talk) 03:29, 4 August 2012 (UTC)Rany
 * Hello and thanks for your willingness to contribute to Wikipedia! When writing articles, it is important to make sure that your articles are written from a neutral point of view and try to refrain from using slang. For example, using words such as "gigs" would most likely be considered slang by many editors and should be removed or changed.
 * Additionally, it appears that the Early Life section of your article is almost exclusively lifted word for word from here which would constitute a copyright violation.
 * Unfortunately, it appears that this artist also fails the notability criteria set forth here which means that even if you fixed the things I mentioned above, he probably would still not be considered notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. Topher385 (talk) 15:43, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much Topher for your helpful feedback, it is appreciated. I understand the notability criteria for Entertainers and will resubmit once artist, Jo Thrillz is at that calibre.

Thank you once again!

RanyL (talk) 18:10, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Feedback Dashboard
Thanks for your excellent work at the Feedback Dashboard! SwisterTwister  talk  18:30, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * My pleasure! Topher385 (talk) 18:33, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
A confident little kitty I am becoming. Thanks.

Paraphyso (talk) 00:00, 5 August 2012 (UTC) 
 * Aww, he's so cute. Thanks! Topher385 (talk) 00:12, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Deletion request
Hi Topher, please delete the page Timothy Hahn, it is a fake page someone posted about me. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.235.96.229 (talk) 00:37, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, as I am not an administrator, I cannot delete pages on Wikipedia. If the article truly is about you and you wish to address it, you can put on your talk page along with your issue with the article and an administrator will be able to help you further. Topher385 (talk) 00:45, 5 August 2012 (UTC)