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Production sections
Alright, I had at them, got them into the correct formatting. I chose to move duplicate personnel info to their first mention (eg. instead of having two sections listing Sascha, I just added "production" or "mixing" or whatever to his list in "Musicians"). I personally think it looks better, but it's not a huge deal to me if you want to move those back to the Production section. How is the FAC going for KMFDM? I see you making tons of edits still! It's looking good to me, anyway. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 03:52, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ha, simultaneous posts. The FAC is a bit stalled it seems like.  I've pretty much addressed everything that's been mentioned so far, but I know at least one person said he would take another look at it and add more comments.  I keep thinking of new stuff to add.  For just one example, I was thinking about adding something about how En Esch was renting an apartment with his girlfriend or some such.  I can't remember the exact story, but I know it's something like that.  Not sure if it's too trivial or would be a good extra detail for the early history. What do you think of the article's layout at this point? —Torchiest talkedits 04:00, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Drive page
Hi. Are you happy with the stuff I put at the top of the Totals section? --Stfg (talk) 07:47, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Request for Review - Planetary consciousness Article
Hi there, thanks for reviewing the article. I've worked on the issues mentioned by you. Can you please check the article again? I've added links to the article, its no longer an orphan. Thank you. Shivam Sharma 09:20, 17 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shivam.s88 (talk • contribs)

Geordie dialect words
I can’t understand what the problem is. It took me a considerable amount of time and energy to compile this article, even though I had produced the (albeit much smaller) “Spotter Book” earlier. There is (or was) nothing comparable on Wikipedia relating to the Geordie dialect, although there are similar articles for Cornish dialect words etc. which no-one seems to be wanting to delete.

The article was not copied from any other Wiki site (if they exist). Many, or in fact most, citations are given to actual antique books and records published in the 18th century.

A suggestion has been made that the contents have been transwikied (to Wiktionary or another project). Although I have not checked every word with Wiktionary, the vast majority which I have checked are not there. And I cannot find any other project, Wikipedia, Wikibooks, Wikisource etc.

Since compiling the “Geordie dialect words” article, I have also written some 300+ Wikipedia articles on the Geordie songs/songwriters/songbooks etc. all of which refer to, and many utilise, the article.

I appreciate that the article is lengthy (a bit too much so) and would appreciate any help and/or suggestion you could give in regards to splitting it alphabetically or otherwise, but cannot see any valid reason to delete the article.

thanks. Alanfromwakefield (talk) 10:11, 17 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Is it really an A5, Torchiest? Its first two sections mean that it fails "consists only of a dictionary definition or source text", and it doesn't appear to have been transwikied yet. There may be a case for merging those two sections into Geordie and transwikiing the lexicon, but shouldn't that be done first? Simon. --Stfg (talk) 10:45, 17 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I raised the issue of moving it to Wikibooks about two months ago. Since no one objected, I finally decided to move it.  I'm not trying to delete the content outright.  I just don't think it fits the scope of an encyclopedia article.  It's an entire translation dictionary, which is a massive and laudable achievement, but I think it makes more sense as a book.  The transwikification/import process has been confusing, though, and is still incomplete.  Again, I'm not trying to destroy the content, just move it to a better wiki for what it is.  Here is the location of my move request.  Hope that explains things. —Torchiest talkedits 11:46, 17 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Yes, it's clear and I agree. It was just the timing of the A5 (which I see you've pulled). --Stfg (talk) 13:50, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!
Wow thanks! Heh, I just hope there's a coherent solution for the situation. —Torchiest talkedits 17:54, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Oversteps
hey, torchiest. thanks for your comments - a lot of my edits were in an effort to make the article scan better and read in a less 'clunky' manner, and sometimes that can introduce problems such as the ones you've highlighted. however with regards to the webcasts, i've listened to all three as they streamed (yes, pure WP:OR, i know) and they're also mentioned in the main Autechre article (unsourced there as well, sadly). rather than getting out the scalpel, i'd suggest adding a citation needed template to that particular bit, and leaving it with me for a little while - just today i was granted access to Highbeam Research thanks to the current wiki drive - maybe i can dig up something in there that supports the statement! it's nice to see some work being done on autechre articles! Kaini (talk) 22:03, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * PS - the reasoning behind my rephrase re: the webcast is that according to the infobox, the itunes digital download release was in FEBRUARY - so it preceded the webcast. Kaini (talk) 22:06, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

September drive
Hi Torchiest. Would it OK for you to take care of the 00:00 updates on the drive page once again, please? That's still 1 a.m. where I live. --Stfg (talk) 09:41, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Also, shall we have a September Copy Edit of the Month contest? I think the drive may lead to more entries, especially if we give good publicity to the August winner in the appropriate newsletter (which we can time to do just that). --Stfg (talk) 11:09, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I can do the switchover. I'd already prepared a CEotM page for September, and I'm expecting much better turn out for it this go round.  When are we planning to send out the next newsletter? I am planning on adding "before" links for each submission in the August contest, as well as asking an initial question to get discussion going for each article.  —Torchiest talkedits 12:50, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. We can send out newsletters whenever we like. In the normal run of things, the next one would be the September mid-drive newsletter, but if you'd like us to do one at the beginning of September to say submissions closed, voting starts for August and submissions open for September, then we certainly can. Rather than "before" links, may I suggest diffs, since some of the articles may have been edited since the c/e? (One of the submissions is a completely new article, actually, as you probably know already.) Your idea of an initial question is a great one. It may encourage other editors not to be shy :) --Stfg (talk) 13:46, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * What do you think about slightly altering the schedule, and sending out one around, say, September 7, saying there is a week to go on voting, and that the September drive and contest are underway? We could see how good turn out is and let that guide us on when to send on the next newsletter. —Torchiest talkedits 14:39, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I feel that is too early for the mid-drive portion, which reports on participation and progress towards the objectives so far. That would be premature after just a week because it wouldn't carry the "we need to speed up" or "we're on track" implication so clearly. We often do sent out two newsletters in one month, and I think one very early and one mid-month is a better way. --Stfg (talk) 15:18, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, what I had in mind might not be that far off from what you're saying anyway. I was thinking one newsletter around the 7th, and another around the 21st of each month.  That would still leave 9–10 days for the drive on the second newsletter and give that same we're on track or let's work harder exhortation.  But if the drive barnstar calculation script is up and running, we could continue to do things a few days earlier for both, since we would be able to announce the top performers in the drive sooner, and the contest vote will be a cinch to calculate manually. —Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 16:14, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think the earlier dates are best. Announce August voting and September drive as early as you like, and still do the mid-drive and August winner around the 15th. As you say, the winner will take ... oooh ... about 4.7 seconds to calculate. Don't worry about the barnstars. The post-drive newletter always goes out before those are calculated and just says they'll be along in a day or two. I plan not to let let them be as late as this month. If the program isn't ready, I'll do it manually again and ask for the same help as before on checking and sending out, aiming to issue them no later than 4 October. --Stfg (talk) 11:06, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. So we could put out a very short notice over the weekend saying all three events had moved into their next phases? —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 17:31, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes indeed. Thanks for your draft, which is perfect already. --Stfg (talk) 18:36, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

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So you're a research master, eh? ;) I know you mentioned turning the Dwarf article into a GA, but I'm not sure if you were serious.  That would definitely be a worthy challenge, if you are up to it.  I have included a decent selection of important D&D articles on my user page that could use some work, if you like – many of them could be future GA's. Even if you're not up to getting articles to GA at this point, you can always use your skills and tools to improve and add sources to some articles.  Take a look, pick a spot, I'll help you out if you're interested.  (I'm going to add a section on novels at some point; they need at least as much work as anything.)  If you're particularly interested in working on one of those categories, I can get you an expanded list of what would be a good idea to work on.  :) BOZ (talk) 15:42, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I checked out a copy of Heroic Worlds from the library last week, thinking it would have some possible details to add to the Dwarf article, but it's mostly just lists of publications, which you already know. I'm a bit stumped right now, but I will definitely be searching for more dwarf info on HighBeam.  As for the rest of it, yes, I'll do some searching and see what I can find.  I'm getting into a new pattern of searching Google books and then making lists of things to get from the library if there are no previews available. My understanding is that HighBeam is mostly newspaper and magazine articles, but that could still lead to a few nuggets here and there as well. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 15:47, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Haha, in terms of D&D, I have already mined "Heroic Worlds" for just about all that it is worth. :) I spent a great many hours with it back a couple of years ago or so, sourcing many existing articles, and starting many new articles using that book as a starting source.  Not that I'm trying to say it's not still worth looking at, just to point out that the work is basically already done; I am only human and I'm sure I missed some things that could still be useful!  Let's see what sources Highbeam turns up; I'm very interested in how useful that can be. BOZ (talk) 16:03, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I haven't activated my account yet. I wanted to wait until I could actually sit down and get some serious usage out of it.  Plan on checking it out over the three day weekend though. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 17:29, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, no problem! I should be around off and on all weekend, myself. BOZ (talk) 18:58, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * So far, the dwarf search has been a bust. I found ~150 articles containing the words "dungeons", "dragons", and "dwarf".  Two major events probably make up half the total: the D&D movie release in 2000 (widely panned btw) and Gary Gygax's death in 2008.  I'd say 80% of the total mentions include some variation on the lazy journalism phrase "elves, dwarves, and wizards" mentioned in passing when describing D&D.  Still looking, but I'm thinking it's not going to be much help for monsters.  On the other hand, I think it could be a gold mine for improving the Gygax article.  It would be awesome if we could get the maestro up to FA status someday. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 15:51, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar
Hah, thanks for that! I keep bouncing around between projects, but yeah that's one of the biggies. :) —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 20:01, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

D&D monster list
Would you be interested in starting back up the discussion at Talk:List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 1st edition monsters? :) BOZ (talk) 21:19, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but gah, it's such an intimidating task. We really do need to do it though.  What do you think about starting a new combined list, and slowly migrating creatures from the disparate edition-based lists to it?  We can put hatnotes explaining the transition.  That way, we could do it in phases, without feeling too much pressure to do it all at once. Oh, of course it would be, I think, three separate lists, A–?, ?–?, and ?–Z. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 21:23, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah it's a big task, which is why I was avoiding it. ;) But with the continued pressure that doesn't seem to want to let up, I think we'd be wise not to put it off much longer. And yes, what you are thinking is exactly what I was thinking. BOZ (talk) 00:53, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
I worked on Pink Floyd until the last minute so really, the latest possible version is preferrable, and it looks like that is now displayed, thanks much! ~ GabeMc  (talk 03:46, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. I should've double checked before posting the diffs.  We're still ironing out the procedures for this new contest. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 03:49, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 1st edition monsters
Hello! I have followed (somewhat) the discussion about the possible deletion of that monster list(s), and would love to find grounds for safely keeping a modified list. I am very much afraid, however, that WP:GAMEGUIDE indeed might go against the list, even if there are no description and stats. Point 3. there, about video games, may or may not be applicable to roleplaying games, but I am sure it will be cited against the list. Can you think of any argument against the guideline being applied on the monster list(s)? Thanks a lot! Daranios (talk) 10:00, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Interesting point, but I would think that would be more of a concern for an individual D&D module, e.g. if someone tried to go through Keep on the Borderlands and list the contents of every room, including monsters and treasure. Maybe I'm biased, but it seems like an appropriate content fork for a summary style for the main Dungeons & Dragons article. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 15:07, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

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Research master (pt 2)
Oh well, don't be too concerned if you can't find much for the dwarf article; you have already done a lot of work on it, and at the very least made it "safe" from future deletion attempts.

More importantly, that's great news on what you may have found for the Gary Gygax article! We have already tried twice to get it up to FA, but it just wasn't ready yet. I also got a peer review at one point, so we have some good advice to go off of if we go forward with working on it. BOZ (talk) 14:47, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, cool, I didn't know the full history of the article. I'll take a look at the PR and nominations and see if I can plug any holes. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 14:49, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

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Chemosh
Hi Torchiest,

Thank you for contacting me on this issue. The reason that I protected the redirect is that, over the past year or so, there has been widespread undiscussed recreation of Dragonlance-related articles after merger discussions result in the articles being merged into lists. These recreations are largely the work of IP editors and my protection of the redirect solely limited their actions with regards to the redirect. If you would like to start a discussion on the List of Dragonlance deities talk page about a potential re-splitting-off of the article in question, I would be glad to contribute to such a discussion.

Neelix (talk) 15:13, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Torchiest. 129.33.19.254 (talk) 15:31, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

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One question added after your vote
Thanks much for voting. When we put the RfC together, one thing we were all agreed on was that it should run a week, so that it didn't take too much time away from more central questions ... but we decided not to put that in the RfC, I think because we didn't want to force a cutoff in the middle of a good debate. At this point, I've added that question, if you'd like to vote on that one too. - Dank (push to talk) 15:22, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

HighBeam for D&D articles
Oooh, this HighBeam is a neat thing, now that I can kind of get an idea on how it works. :) I followed the link from what you added, and I see a search engine there... I typed in "Drizzt" for the hell of it, and I found all sorts of good stuff!  Among all sorts of other things, we have reviews for the novels Homeland  and The Orc King, and the video game Menzoberranzan  - wow! I wonder what other gems would be on there with other searches... BOZ (talk) 22:31, 6 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Excellent! If you find anything intriguing and need me to view the full article for more details, just post links here and I'll check 'em out. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 22:35, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Be careful what you wish for. ;) BOZ (talk) 22:41, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 * So far, so awesome. :) Was the Orc King review any good? Just searching around, I found some more reviews: Red Hand of Doom and Races of the Dragon ; Descent to Undermountain (and other stuff) ; and The Temple of Elemental Evil (video game)  . I could search like this for hours, so I better stop for now.  ;) BOZ (talk) 23:40, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The Orc King review was pretty skimpy. Might be something good in it, but it didn't immediately capture my interest. And for a second there, I thought those were reviews for the ToEE module! Too bad; that would've been amazing lol. I'll take a look at those in a little bit. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 00:44, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, too bad about that! LOL  Were the other two reviews for ToEE useful?  I have the feeling that the HighBeam may be of the most benefit to our video game articles; I'll have a deeper look into that today. I'm thinking novels may also benefit, but that's a much bigger category and something I'll have to check out another time. BOZ (talk) 14:45, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * One is a quick single paragraph, but the other is pretty comprehensive. And I think you're right about the video games angle.  Old modules didn't get much coverage outside of RPG circles back in the 1970s and 80s, and so far I haven't seen those types of journals included in searches. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 14:50, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you think we would want to include reviews like that as external links in articles, the ones we don't wind up using? I found this on a search for Tome of Horrors - would it be useful in any way? BOZ (talk) 18:48, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * No, it's unfortunately pure fluff. You're seeing about half of the total content.  There are two more sentences that just say half a dozen players will be using pre-generated characters and the library wants people to know it has a copy of the 4th edition rules.  The article is from a town of about 17500 people.  So I guess a copy of D&D rules at the library is newsworthy, pretty funny actually.  Unfortunately, it doesn't look like there's an obvious way to tell how big the article is in advance. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 18:56, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Not too surprised, just figured it was a good idea to check. ;) BOZ (talk) 19:25, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

OK, video games it is! I looked at everything pre-Baldur's Gate… I have a feeling I'm going to find a lot more once we get to that point. :)  Don’t know if I'll have time to do any more looking today, but maybe these will keep you busy for a while:

Champions of Krynn

Neverwinter Nights (MMORPG)

Dungeons & Dragons: Warriors of the Eternal Sun

Dark Sun: Shattered Lands

Dark Sun: Wake of the Ravager

Al-Qadim: The Genie's Curse

Blood & Magic and

Iron & Blood: Warriors of Ravenloft

Descent to Undermountain and  – that last one mentions a number of games, could be good for a number of quick quotes? BOZ (talk) 19:25, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Wow! Yeah, that last one is huge.  Don't have time to get too in-depth with all these right now, but I'll dig into all that stuff again this weekend. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 19:35, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Coolness. :) BOZ (talk) 23:05, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
 * A little bit of a side track, but this one might be useful for Keith Baker (game designer) and Eberron:
 * Yeah that's a good one. I added a bit from it just now.  My weekend was swamped by real life, so I didn't get a chance to look into everything else like I'd planned.  Glad I get a whole year to work it out though lol. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 22:16, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem, that's how it goes. ;) I may drop by with more one-offs from time to time, regardless of what else is going on. BOZ (talk) 22:09, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Just randomly searching, I came across what looks like a great source for Ian Livingstone: BOZ (talk) 19:43, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to leave notes about these as I check them.
 * The article about Champions of Kyrnn is more like a personal story, with just a few details about the game. It's more a reminiscence on the old school days of RPG gaming, with nothing really usable for Wikipedia. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 20:25, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The Iron & Blood article is really short and just described some giveaway with a tie-in to the video game. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 20:27, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking. I came up with a bust when I looked for Bruenor Battlehammer, but I think I did find something useful for Wulfgar, at least enough for a quick cite of some sort: BOZ (talk) 15:12, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's the most substantial quote from the article: "R. A. Salvatore's Sea of Swords (Wizards of the Coast, $25.95), at No. 10, is the latest fantasy adventure in the author's "Paths of Darkness" series. In it, Elf ranger Drizzt Do'Urden and his gifted warriors hunt a missing member of their band, Wulfgar the barbarian, thought killed in the previous novel but now very much alive and needing help finding Aegis-fang, his warhammer." After that is just a list of the bestsellers.  I'm not sure where that would fit in the fictional chronology though; maybe you'll know better. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 15:33, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I identified where the novel "The Sea of Swords" fits in on Wulfgar's bio by adding a note there; if you can't work it in there, maybe add something to the lead section? BOZ (talk) 15:56, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks - it's hard enough to find sources for fictional characters, so we've got to use it when we can. :) BOZ (talk) 00:15, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Does this relate to the main Eberron Campaign Setting book? BOZ (talk) 16:47, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * No, it's mostly a brief history of D&D from the 1970s forward. The only mention of Eberron is in the second paragraph. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 16:50, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * That's interesting, I wonder if there's anything else useful in that one. Good adds to Al-Qadim! :) BOZ (talk) 19:08, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It's pretty good for what it is, but I don't think it has anything new for us. The main points are where D&D started, who started it, the fact that it came from wargaming and not LOTR, the transition of ownership to WOTC, and how great the 3e rules were. :) 19:15, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, not really any new ground, heh. BOZ (talk) 13:51, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * The Eternal Sun source only had one paragraph, but there was enough to create a little development section with a few minor technical points. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 02:50, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool, better than nothing. :) BOZ (talk) 16:12, 22 September 2012 (UTC)


 * The Shattered Lands review was great, added quite a bit from that and sourced some stuff. The Wake of the Ranger article was as trivial as it is possible to be, sadly, with the writer just saying they liked the game and never mentioning it again. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 03:51, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Great work on that one! BOZ (talk) 16:12, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool, only three VG articles from that list left, now. :) BOZ (talk) 13:59, 24 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Added info to NWN about AOL shutting it down. Tragic event. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 16:05, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Tragic indeed! I was actually on AOL at the time, but never played it.  I was on dial-up back then, and my connection was even worse than typical (if you can imagine) so there was a lot of things I could not do, including the original NWN.  C’est la vie!  And I had enjoyed the Gold Box games so much. I just wish there were more sources for that one - it was a seminal game in more than one way. BOZ (talk) 18:02, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Good cleanup on Blood & Magic by the way... the idea is to either cite all the text on the articles, or to eventually replace all the unsourcable text with sourced text! How are the two new sources for that one? BOZ (talk) 23:29, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The first one is really good. I kept almost getting around to adding stuff from it.  The second one is pretty insubstantial, just part of a paragraph.  Might be able to get something from it too though, maybe. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 00:43, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * See what you can do with the second one, but one more source is better than none. I recently added a source to that article too, so it's definitely going to be in better shape than it was. BOZ (talk) 03:18, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. There were actually a couple nice bits from the second one. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 16:34, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Excellent work, man!  :)   Not long ago that article had only one source – and not the best kind of source, either – now it's looking a whole lot better!  It looks like now we've just got those two new sources for "Descent" left from that batch – and whatever else that second source could be added to! BOZ (talk) 17:46, 26 September 2012 (UTC)


 * The first Descent source above (19) is mostly useless. Just lists it among some other games being released via an online distribution service.  Somewhat interesting, as it must've been an ancient predecessor for Steam, but not enough to really do anything with it, especially since there are neither Release nor Development sections to add it to.  Still need to look at that big second one. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 18:05, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Ha, turns out that huge article only barely mentions Descent. But I will try mining it for other articles. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 18:12, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, looks like that one definitely helped out for Baldur's Gate! That's good, because it has been hard to search for sources for that game so far - maybe it's the apostrophe that's causing trouble. BOZ (talk) 19:09, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think it's awful that BG is only C-class. That game was a watershed moment in my life, and I hate to see it in such poor condition. Such a crucial game in the history of D&D RPGs, and really all video game RPGs, should be good article material at least.  I'm planning on working it up to that point eventually, now that I know it needs help.  —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 19:12, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's definitely hiccuping on the apostrophe. I tried "bioware gate" and got a good number of hits. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 19:16, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Same here, but I think most of those are for other games in the series. BG should be high on the priority list for improvement. BOZ (talk) 19:23, 26 September 2012 (UTC)