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Avdhela Project
Hello, I have reverted you again at Avdhela Project. I appreciate your edits on Aromanian topics but I believe we should maintain the â spelling. There is no fixed Aromanian alphabet because there is no central regulatory institution for the language. Aromanians are free to use the spellings they prefer. In Albania and North Macedonia the 1997 system approved in Bitola, including the use of ã, has become norm. In Romania in the other hand ã is as far as I know barely used, Aromanians there prefer using letters present in the Romanian alphabet. See for example this article by Tașcu Lala, an Aromanian journalist from Romania. He uses â in places where Aromanians from Albania/Macedonia would use ã. Also, it's pretty hard to argue for another spelling when it is the Avdhela Project itself (which by the way is based in Romania) that uses the spelling with â for its Aromanian name, don't you agree? See the name in their Facebook page. In their official website, in their presentation in Aromanian, there is not a single ã, â is used instead.

Maybe in the future the Aromanians will come together and agree finally on a single unified spelling and on creating some kind of institution to regulate their language. Today that is not the situation so we should adopt the preferred spellings of the communities in each country. Hope my reverts don't discourage you because seeing users editing Aromanian topics is always welcome. Regards, Super   Ψ   Dro  11:50, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello,
 * not all aromanians in Romania use â. Look at Kira Mantsu for example. She is from Romania too, but she uses the letter ã.In Albania at the school they also write with ã. Tosunbaci (talk) 14:52, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Not all aromanians can write in aromanian!!! Tosunbaci (talk) 14:53, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * But the Avdhela Project uses â. So we should use â for its official name. When we do not refer to proper or official names I generally go for the ã version, but it doesn't make sense to use it for an organization that has a different official spelling. Super   Ψ   Dro  15:07, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Avdhela Projec uses the romanian alphabet to write aromanian. And when we say the name in aromanian, we should write it with aromanian letters. Tosunbaci (talk) 15:18, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It makes no sense to write a word in aromanian with romanian letters. I am waiting for your answer. Tosunbaci (talk) 18:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I stand my ground that we shouldn't use a spelling of an unstandardized language that an official entity doesn't use. If you wish I can request a WP:Third opinion. An uninvolved volunteer user will see the dispute and offer a third opinion on what should we do. This is one of Wikipedia's procedures of dealing with user disputes. Because to me it seems we're about to reach a dead end. Would you agree to me requesting it? It will take some hours, maybe a day to receive the opinion. Super   Ψ   Dro  21:06, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * But they write it with â because they write it in romanian. I think at least we should remove all the words (Aromanian: Biblioteca di Culturâ Armâneascâ). Better it doesn't exist, than it exist wrong! Tosunbaci (talk) 21:50, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * In all pages in wikipedia, aromanian is written with ã. It makes no sense to write some words with â and some with ã. Maybe the owners of Avdhela Project can not write in aromanian. Tosunbaci (talk) 21:54, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * But I am talking about parts in Aromanian. "Biblioteca di Culturâ Armâneascâ" is not in Romanian. It's a project made by Aromanians related to Aromanian culture and language, it cannot not talk Aromanian. Again look at their website . This is how they present themselves in Aromanian:
 * Suţata Predania pritu proiectulu Avdhela ari tu scupo si-află, si editeadzâ şi s-dhuruseascâ operili ştiinţifiţi şi artistiţi ţi ţânu di avearea culturală armâneascâ şi tuti operili ligati di aestâ aveari. Aesti luyurii culturali şi maxusu aţeali agiumti publiţi potu s-hibâ xitâxiti fârâ paradz di tuţ xităxitorľi şi di tuţ aţeľi ţi au simferu.
 * That's Aromanian, but they simply don't use ã. I see this is common among Aromanians from Romania. Super   Ψ   Dro  22:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Indeed it doesn't make sense to use different letters for the same words, but that's the point of Aromanian not being standardized. Maybe one day the Aromanians will organize and start printing dictionaries and grammar books that say the same. But considering some even refuse to use the Latin alphabet I see we're far from it. Super   Ψ   Dro  22:28, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * We have a dictionary, here is it http://www.dixionline.net/ Tosunbaci (talk) 14:13, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That's one of several. It's by Tiberius Cunia, who was an important figure at the 1997 Bitola standardization congress. There are several others. I think Matilda Caragiu Marioțeanu published one. There is also another by Emil Vrabie of the Society Farsharotu of the US. This one I could find in free access, it doesn't use ã, and I see it uses â, ă and even á (and also é/í/ó/ú, I even saw ĭ after taking a quick look). That's why I say there isn't one single unified spelling. I think all schools in Albania and Macedonia use the same spelling of Cunia's dictionary, but from what I've read it's not widespread in Romania.
 * Glad to see you're an Aromanian by the way. From Albania I assume. I am not an Aromanian, but I've been writing on the Aromanians for quite some time now. Let me know if you need anything, I'd love to see more active Aromanian users in Wikipedia. Super   Ψ   Dro  14:24, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes it is right, i am from Albania. I saw you deleted the weightlifters. I know them, they are aromanians. Tosunbaci (talk) 14:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Someone deleted also the boxers Theodhor Gernjoti and his father Rafail Gernjoti Dishnica. They also are aromanians. https://gazetadielli.com/rafail-dishnica-gernjoti-kampioni-i-amerikes-latine/ Tosunbaci (talk) 14:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I made a site before you about St. Sotir church years ago, but it was deleted by administrators i think. I don't know why!!! Tosunbaci (talk) 14:40, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It depends on how the page was written. It would have needed to have a few sources. They would have also needed to be reliable, because for example blogs aren't allowed, while academic publications and generally newspapers are. The contents of the article would have also needed to show it is an important enough (or WP:NOTABLE in Wikipedia terminology) topic to have an article, rather than being a short two-sentence long article (no idea if yours was like that). I delayed writing an article on the church for some time because I knew it would be complicated to show it is important (notable) enough and that I'd have to write a lengthy page. The page took me 3 weeks to write while alternating with real life (most of it was in a weekend anyway).
 * If you wanted to write articles now I could help you. To be fair there are few topics on Aromanians in Albania that don't have a page while deserving one. For example, so far I haven't seen enough information to write on Aromanian cultural societies in Albania. Biographies are the biggest pressing issue. Examples are Prokop Mima and Haralambie Balamaci (perhaps more familiar to you as Papa Llambro Ballamaçi), for which I had planned to eventually write a page.
 * Regarding the weightlifters, if you can send me a source showing their Aromanian ethnicity I can add them back. I couldn't find any but I don't speak Albanian so you might have it easier. But it'll have to be a reliable source. A couple newspapers should be enough. An interview would be perfect. Super   Ψ   Dro  14:58, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The problem is, that not all albanians say the truth about the aromanians! Tosunbaci (talk) 15:10, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, how we can get the old picture of St. Sotir church here in Wikipedia? I have 2 pics. Tosunbaci (talk) 12:38, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The only way is to wait for the copyright to expire. I am not well informed on copyright matters but I believe that it is okay to upload anything that is more than 100 years old, and its important to stress that we must know it is definitively more than 100 years old and not just possibly (so if you don't know, don't upload it). This is according to American law which we follow because it is where the Wikimedia Foundation is based in. You uploaded a picture which seems to have been published in an Albanian newspaper on 27 October 1925, right after the church was consecrated . So it could be used starting from 27/28 October 2025. You also uploaded a picture from 1931, when the earthquake happened. About that one, well, see you in 2032.
 * Age is not the only thing to take into account here. If the author explicitly left the picture in public domain we can use it. But I think this is pretty much exclusive of the modern Internet times. Also images from communist regimes tend to be in the public domain. At least that's the case with Romania. I am not an expert in the topic. But if the age criteria is not met it probably can't be uploaded.
 * By the way, upload pictures in Wikimedia Commons, not here. If you upload it on Commons, it can be used on any Wikipedia. You have been uploading pictures to English Wikipedia so far, I moved them all to Commons. Also, ping me to talk to me (by mentioning my name as , though at random times it doesn't work), or leave a message on my talk page. I will otherwise only notice you left me a message on your own talk page if you edit a page that is on my watchlist and I go check your contributions.  Super   Ψ   Dro  20:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * By the way, I assume you speak Aromanian. Have you considered translating pages in English and other languages to Aromanian? Aromanian Wikipedia is in dire need of attention. There's pretty much no active users there. Super   Ψ   Dro  20:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes i can speak very good aromanian. I will start to create new pages in aromanian, it is a good idea! But i don't know, maybe the administrators will delete the pages as they do in english wikipedia. Tosunbaci (talk) 21:28, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * What about pics in aromanian wikipedia? Are there the same rules? Tosunbaci (talk) 21:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There are no active administrators in Aromanian Wikipedia. Vandalism there stays for weeks or months. Yes, the rules about images extend to all Wikipedias. I am curious as to if you have any pages in mind to create. I will probably be able to tell if they would be deleted in English Wikipedia or not. In theory Aromanian Wikipedia would have the same rules on notability of articles but since there's no-one to enforce them I've found articles on figures which either have too little importance or too little sources for me to check whether they have importance or not. Anything you write there is probably going to stay. Super   Ψ   Dro  22:43, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I will try to create something there. Tosunbaci (talk) 08:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello Tosunbaci. I have been trusted with temporary adminship in Aromanian Wikipedia. In practice this doesn't change anything for you but I am notifying you since you seem to have been discouraged from article creation before because your articles were deleted by an admin. So I want you to know that if you decide to write articles there, I will help you out. Regards, Super   Ψ   Dro  22:29, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello Super Dromaeosaurus, i will start making new pages in Aromanian. The articles will be in frasherot dialect, because i am frasherot ;)
 * and thank you for your support! Tosunbaci (talk) 22:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, here i have started a page https://roa-rup.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=B%C3%A3serica_Ayiu_Ayilau_Moscopole&redlink=1# Tosunbaci (talk) 21:40, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Great! I've done some edits to all of the three. Note that I moved the first one to add a comma. Check my edits to see what I changed, these are standard Wikipedia practices such as putting the whole title in bold at the start. I've also linked the pages to Wikidata so that they show up in the list of pages in Wikipedias in other languages that the article is available in. Do you think you could add some references, so that the article doesn't stay unsourced? You can add them like this: . You can just add them from other Wikipedias. Super   Ψ   Dro  19:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I will try my best, also about the references. Tosunbaci (talk) 21:23, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * What a coincidence with the page of Gramos. I also think we delete my page, because it is much shorter. Tosunbaci (talk) 19:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I will merge the two, though please reply on Aromanian Wikipedia next time, since I mentioned you there.
 * Regarding this edit . Are you sure? I had understood "Armãnamea" was a collective in singular, like "humankind" ("Aromaniandom", "Aromaniankind", "Aromanianity"). An entry in Wiktionary, which I didn't write, seems to support this . I also imagined "Aromania" would me something like "Armãnia" or "Armãnjia" ("Rrãmania" for Farsherots). I'd like to be sure of this, because if it turns out I understood it wrong, it means I have to fix several articles... Super   Ψ   Dro  17:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Armãnia, Rrãmãnia or Armãnjia it it if we had a country, than the name of the country was like this. Armãnamea it means all about aromanians, culture, language etc. Tosunbaci (talk) 17:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Let's have a third opinion., what do you think is a more appropriate translation of Armãnamea? Super   Ψ   Dro  17:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Armãnamea is a collective noun denoting all the Aromanians in the world. I would translate it as Aromaniandom or I also like the expression 'the Aromanian kin'. Moscopolitanus (talk) 19:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Aromaniandom is more real. Tosunbaci (talk) 19:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I will change the pages later. Though I think I'll add a hyphen (Aromanian-dom) because most English speakers are already unfamiliar with who the Aromanians are so I wouldn't be surprised if many couldn't even figure what the word was talking about without an hyphen. Super   Ψ   Dro  20:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello Super Dromaeosaurus, i have created a page in aromanian about famous aromanians. Can you please put it with other languages? Here is the link https://roa-rup.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personalit%C3%A3ts_cu_r%C3%A3dz%C3%A3tin%C3%A3_Rr%C3%A3m%C3%A3neasc%C3%A3 Tosunbaci (talk) 21:19, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Sure, I've done it for you. I will tell you how can you do it for the next time. You need to go on "Desktop" mode, the button is on the bottom of the screen, as I see you edit on a phone (a filter in Wikipedia shows this in every edit done from a phone). You then need to click on "Adaugă legături" on the left side of the screen. You should then see a window popping up with two spaces to write. You put the code for the language you want to connect the page with, "en"/"enwiki" in this case, and then write the name of the page in the Wikipedia you want to connect it with, "List of Aromanians" in this case. You don't need to do anything else but if you then refresh the page you see "Modifică legăturile" now instead of "Adaugă legături" and if you click on it you will be taken to Wikidata which is the central website containing links and information between Wikimedia projects. If by any chance you got the link wrong you can change it there. Super   Ψ   Dro  00:20, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank You! Tosunbaci (talk) 08:16, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I have one more question. Can i upload my own pictures, for example a picture of the church St. Sotir? Tosunbaci (talk) 23:32, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

License tagging for File:ArmãnameaFootballTeam.jpg
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 * Again you need to make sure you can upload the picture. At the bottom of the page you took the picture from it says "All photos on the website are the property of Europeada gGmbH and may not be used without prior permission (except for the photos in the press section)." Also, you have to upload them in Wikimedia Commons, not in English Wikipedia. If you write a page in Aromanian Wikipedia you'll need to upload the picture a second time, unless you upload it to Commons. Super   Ψ   Dro  12:41, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Now i have uploaded a new pic from a romanian press website. Is it allowed? Tosunbaci (talk) 13:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I mean a new version of the football team Tosunbaci (talk) 13:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It is a copyright violation. Do not upload any more photos until you have read and understood our copyright policy.   If you need help, you can ask questions at the Teahouse or at Media copyright questions. -- Whpq (talk) 14:45, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Only Europeada allows (apparently) photos from its press section. Other media outlets don't unless it is specified it is okay. Super   Ψ   Dro  15:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The press section photos are not freely licensed as far as I can tell.  Stating that prior permission is not required to use the photos is not the same as a free license.  -- Whpq (talk) 16:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

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