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Hola, ¿eres quien creo que eres? :) Qampunen (talk) 17:24, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Tienes razón y estoy totalmente de acuerdo. Un saludo, y me alegro de volver a verte :) Qampunen (talk) 18:24, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Hoy es fiesta y juegan muchos equipos en Tercera División y dispongo de tiempo para poder editarlos. ¿Necesitas ayuda con el grupo V, VI y XI hoy? Qampunen (talk) 10:43, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Gracias por el ofrecimiento, la verdad es que tiempo no tengo mucho, te lo agradezco un montón. -tot-futbol (talk) 02:26, 25 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Hoy no podré editar hasta pasadas las ocho. Si estuvieses disponible y pudieses haz lo que puedas con Primera, Segunda o Tercera. Por cierto, enhorabuena por la victoria ayer del Gimnástic ;) Ya tenéis el objetivo cada vez más cerca. No tengo ninguna duda de que lo conseguiréis pronto. Un saludo! Qampunen (talk) 13:12, 1 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Hola Raúl. Como me has dicho que estás muy liado te he ayudado con los grupos de Tercera División. Sin embargo, el domingo voy a estar de comunión y no podré editar hasta las siete, ocho... no estoy seguro. Es un día importante porque termina la temporada regular en Tercera División. Si pudieses ayudarme algo te lo agradecería. Hoy tampoco voy a poder estar disponible, así que si dispones de tiempo haz lo que puedas, o si no puedes ya lo actualizaría cuando pudiese. Saludos, amigo. Qampunen (talk) 08:15, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

No te preocupes, suerte con este fin de curso en la universidad :) Qampunen (talk) 20:43, 11 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Entonces en la próxima edición de la Copa del Rey habrá dos equipos menos con respecto a los otros años, ¿no? Qampunen (talk) 09:45, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Mañana no regreso hasta pasadas las nueve. Si tienes tiempo de actualizar cualquier resultado de Segunda o de las promociones de ascenso sería genial, aunque sé que todos estamos muy liados. Suerte en todo! :) Qampunen (talk) 21:00, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Hola, Rául. ¿Qué tal el verano? He pedido que mantengan las tablas clasificatorias. Me encantan las estadísticas y es ilógico que quieran deshacerse de la tabla histórica de la Liga. Muchísimas gracias por el detalle del Barnstar. Nadie antes me había puesto uno en los 4 años que llevo contribuyendo con la Wikipedia. Te agradezco mucho el detalle :) Qampunen (talk) 22:13, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Raúl, no sé si sigues ahí pero... cómo ponías en la tabla (clasificación) los puntos de fair-play cuando había empate? Gracias.Qampunen (talk) 23:35, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * no ponía valor en el ránquing, igualmente ya está hecho :) -tot-futbol (talk) 23:36, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Me refiero para la tabla de Segunda División. Hay muchos equipos con 1 punto que hay que poner de acuerdo a los puntos de fair-play. ¿Es necesario decir cuántos tienen cada uno (lo ponen de todas formas en la tabla fair-play) o simplemente los pongo sin más en el orden correcto sin explicación? Qampunen (talk) 23:54, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * ok, te entiendo, sí que habría que poner el desempate de cada caso. Toma como ejemplo alguno del año pasado... no sé si encontrarás... pero del Valencia - Barça del 16-10-10 sí que me acuerdo. Saludos -tot-futbol (talk) 23:59, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Ya lo encontré :). Mira a ver si lo dejo así o si no lo cambias. Qampunen (talk) 00:20, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Gracias por ayudarme con la tabla. He añadido los asistentes en La Liga, así como los descuentos en "miscelánea". Por cierto, hay un problema con los refs. Yo no he podido arreglarlo. Seguro que tú sí. Qampunen (talk) 01:44, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Raúl, no voy a estar disponible hasta las 8 más o menos. Si pudieses y quisieses, actualiza la Segunda. Solo si puedes. Ya ayudaría yo cuando vuelva. Un saludo! Qampunen (talk) 12:46, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Entiendo. La verdad es que es un dilema. Nunca lo hemos hecho. Yo personalmente no pondría al Villarreal B en descenso, pues quizás sería difícil de entender para los demás que no conocen muy bien el fútbol español. Yo pondría en descenso a un filial si su primer equipo desciende oficialmente prematuramente. ¿Tú que piensas? Qampunen (talk) 21:45, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

No hay de qué, para eso estamos para ayudarnos. Yo he estado de viaje hasta hace nada y no había NADA de Internet, jejeje. Yo no podré editar tanto como antes pero siempre voy a hacer lo que pueda y saber que tienes a alguien como tú que puede actualizar las cosas igual de bien o mejor que tú me da mucha tranquilidad! Por cierto, estos de la RFEF hacen lo que les da la gana con los puntos fair-play. Algunos los cuentan mal y me da pena tener que deshacerme de lo que habíamos puesto hasta ahora que era lo correcto. Pero bueno, hacen faltan sources. Un saludo! Qampunen (talk) 22:11, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

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Dudilla
¿Sabes si el Pichichi y Zamora cuentan para los play-offs de ascenso? ¿Y el fair-play? Yo creo que no, pero igual tú lo sabes. Muchas gracias, amigo. Qampunen (talk) 20:13, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

De acuerdo. Pero cuando empiece el partido y haya que incluir el report, ¿qué hacemos con las televisiones? Un saludo! Qampunen (talk) 06:33, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Raúl, no voy a poder actualizar el Alcoyano y Guadalajara para 2011-12 en Segunda. Gracias por aparecer, crack! Por cierto, el patrocinador del Guadalajara es "Caja de Guadalajara" y marca Joma (el patrocinador existe en la Wikipedia española). Un saludo, y enhorabuena por el ascenso del Reus! Qampunen (talk) 19:42, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

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AfD
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Ediciones Templates
En cuanto a las ediciones reciente suqe hice en los templates de las tablas de posiciones por fechas en la liga bbva, quiero aclarar que fue una equivocación de la que soy consciente (se que los 3 primeros van directo a la UCL y al PO), (5 y 6 la UEL), y los 3 últimos al descenso. Lo que pasa fue que "alguien" puso esos mismos modelos de tabla en la liga italiana y en la liga sagres portuguesa, y yo por arreglar esos, termine "embarrandola" en el de la liga española (porque son los mismos)...

De todas manera se le abona el interés y la aclaración.Scoelho86 (talk) 23:58, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Juego Limpio y Positions by Round
Hola, Raúl. Hoy han salido las decisiones del comité de competición pero como lo de los partidos de suspensión a miembros del cuerpo técnico no lo manejo mucho, lo voy a dejar sin actualizar, no sea que me equivoque. Lo de positions by Round no sé cómo hacerlo tampoco porque no tengo una que me muestre cómo iban los equipos y con qué puntos en la jornada 13. En el fair-play aparece la sección de "closured stadium". ¿Se la va a poner uno al Granada por el partido de 30 minutos a puerta cerrada? Un saludo campeón! Qampunen (talk) 18:24, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

En la resolución del Comité del Competición (el de Segunda) ponen dos partidos de suspensión a más de uno y cuando es entrenador no sé cómo va lo del juego limpio. Lo actualizas tú? Yo es que no quiero meter la pata, aunque luego cuando salen las clasificaciones verdaderas del juego limpio hacen lo que quieren... Gracias! Qampunen (talk) 23:49, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Muchas gracias, ahora lo tengo mucho más claro. Gracias por la explicación :) Qampunen (talk) 15:01, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Hola, Raúl. Han salido las clasificaciones de Juego Limpio pero al Granada no le han contado la seria sanción por el paraguazo. Te lo dijo a ti, es que no sé qué hacer. La Segunda la he hecho sin problema. Saludos y felices fiestas! Qampunen (talk) 18:45, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

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UEFA Europa League and their shades of blue
Hi,

and sorry for the late answer, but I am not that fast in typing while thinking.:-)

UEFA Europa League colors are indeed not bound to any round. It was briefly considered to do this a few years ago, but had then been rejected as it would not have been very practical from an accessibility point of view. The vast majority of hyperlinks are also being displayed in some shade of blue by the various browsers; this and the close proximity of contrast to black naturally limited the possibilities of visually distinctive shades of blue for single rounds. Hence the season article task force limited the shades of blue to four values:


 * #BBEBFF is the standard shade and applied in all articles.
 * #CCF3FF is the second standard shade; it is applied if leagues have teams in two different rounds and used for the earlier round, with #BBEBFF being used for the later round.
 * #97DEFF is the third standard shade, although it only appears in league articles which have three teams in three different rounds. This is the darkest possible shade and hence being used for the latest round of entry.

This translates to the 2011–12 La Liga as following:
 * #97DEFF will only be used if there are teams entering the group stage, the play-off round and the third qualifying round; the same applies for two known rounds and one unknown round, as it is currently the case. This will also be the most likely scenario at the end of the season.
 * If we have only two starting rounds for teams, the regular #BBEBFF/#CCF3FF combination stays intact. This would, however, only be the case for a GS/QR3 combination (if both Atlético finish fifth or seventh or lower and Athletic win the Copa del Rey).

I hope that clears up things a little. If not, do not hesitate to drop a line on my talk page. Cheers, Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 18:21, 10 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, now I understand your confusion. The current shade for Mallorca is correct because we do not yet know the starting round of Athletic. The consensus for teams with unknown rounds, at least during this season, has been to give them the lighest shade available in order to indicate qualification (along with the 'TQ' marker, if possible) and then change it to the correct values as soon as their exact round has been determined. Because of this, the sixth-placed team (if Atlético is ranked fifth or seventh or lower; alternatively the fifth-placed team if Atlético ranks sixth) will always have the middle shade of the three-shade range until the Athletic round of entry has eventually been determined. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 18:44, 10 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I do not know if there is a language-related understanding problem or not, but once again – the shades of blue are NOT BOUND to any specific round. This is applied to ALL UEFA domestic leagues. Compare 2011–12 Premier League or 2011–12 Fußball-Bundesliga to, for example, 2011–12 Danish Superliga or 2011–12 Russian Premier League. They all use the same three shades of blue, but have different sets of Europa League rounds of entry. Setting the group stage to another color (especially if it is a purple one, which is usually reserved for the UEFA Intertoto Cup, as in 2001–02 La Liga, for example) is therefore inappropriate. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 17:36, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Racing de Santander
Hola TOT, un viejo conocido (con otro nombre), VASCO al habla,

porqué no ahorrar trabajo y poner ya donde el equipo va a jugar? OK te comprendo, hay que esperar que acabe la Segunda este año, pero no hay que esperar hasta el 1 DE JULIO para poner que el RACING juega efectivamente en esa categoría.

Voy a esperar hasta la jornada 42 y luego lo cambio, por favor no me "deshagas" de nuevo, un poco de trabajo de equipo por favor.

Buena semana desde Portugal - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:02, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Moltes gracies! El Gimnàstic de Tarragona parece que lo tiene casi imposible pero, mientras hay vida...Además, con lo del Villarreal CF B y todo, aún pueden pasar según que cosas! Saludos de nuevo - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:27, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

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Play-Off
Ola TOT, VASCO por aquí (ya que hablamos de nombres este es mi verdadero nombre, VASCO y AMARAL el apellido, así que llámame por el primero que es más fácil :)),

no prometo nada, ya que creo que paso MUUCHOO tiempo en el ordenador editando jugadores y algunos equipos. Todavía nunca me he metido a editar temporadas u otros parecidos. Si tengo un día bueno, hecho un vistazo.

Estás haciendo un gran trabajo, sigue así. Enhorabuena por el CF Reus Deportiu, un poco más y hasta ascienden de nuevo, lástima por el Nàstic, otro saludo sincero para tí. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:50, 6 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Bueno ya le he dado un repasito. Una nota: he quitado mucho "overlinking" (o sea, cuando pones una cosa entre estos símbolos, ya queda hecho el wikienlace del tema en questión, no se debe hacer otra vez, y había mucho).

Si no te gusta, pues lo siento y puedes hacer "undo". Si es de tu agrado, pues entonces ya te harás una idea para próximas temporadas. Un saludo y a cuidarse! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:11, 7 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Y qué putada lo de Manolo Preciado heh? Creo que no había nadie al que no le cayera bien, incluso al Real Oviedo o a José Mourinho (anda que no le gustan las peleas a este!), en mucha paz descanse - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:41, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

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Página sobre los play-offs de Segunda
¿Por qué los renombras a "La Liga" si son de Segunda División...? Rastrojo (D•ES) 07:48, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Entonces hay que cambiar todos, que están mal nombrados. Yo me basé a la hora de renombrar y adoptar un estilo en este: 2012 Football League play-offs. Todos deberían seguir este esquema. ¿Qué te parece? Rastrojo (D•ES) 09:59, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Lo dejo en tus manos. Es interesante conservar los redirects. Rastrojo (D•ES) 22:34, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

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Positions-by-round table @ 2012-13 La Liga
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Spanish team abbreviated
Lo que he aprendido es que los equipos como la Real Zaragoza, Real Betis y Real Valladolid, siempre usan el Real igual al Real Madrid. Siempre es Real Madrid y no Madrid, solamente se oye en conversación ligera sin el Real. Si visitas la pagina web de cada club, veras que se usa el Real como nombre oficial y para diferenciar de la ciudad. La LFP.es lo demuestra con el Real y también la RFEF.es. Espero que haya entendido porque cambie los nombres. La Fuzion ( K lo K ) 00:18, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


 * No entiendo de donde viene la idea que yo "entre en una guerra de ediciones por tonterías". Simplemente note lo que creía que era un problema y hice un cambio. Tu no estas de acuerdo y no lo he vuelto a cambiar. Tu tono de superioridad no es necesario y creo que debes bajarlo. La Fuzion  ( K lo K ) 00:55, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

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CD Castellón - Caja
Hola TOT, un pequeño apunte en este club (y otros si hay más "casos),

en la caja, haz el favor de dejar CASTELLÓN (no CASTELLÓ, que es el nombre en valenciano). El "DE LA PLANA" se quita por motivos de compresión, luego en la introdución está al completo OK? Por la misma razón, en la caja es "VALENCIA" y no "VALENCIAN COMMUNITY". Estamos?

Gracias y buen trabajo desde Portugal - --AL (talk) 02:23, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

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Clasificación del Getafe
Hola, Tot-futbol. Esta mañana he hecho los cálculos y hay un supuesto en el que el Getafe desciende:

OSASUNA 45 puntos

LEVANTE 44

GRANADA 44

VALLADOLID 44

DEPORTIVO 44

GETAFE 44

En ese quintuple empate, el desempate quedaba así:

LEVANTE 14 puntos

GRANADA 11

VALLADOLID 10

DEPORTIVO 9

GETAFE 9

Así pues, se va al golaverage entre esos cinco equipos. Si el Depor le gana al Valladolid 0-2 y el Granada le gana al Getafe 3-0, entonces el Depor tendría -2 y el Getafe -3 y el equipo azulón se va a segunda división.

La aplicación de Marca no tiene donde ponerle los goles de estos dos últimos partidos, por eso, clasifica al Getafe delante del Depor.

De todas formas, si te esperas una hora o así, puede que el Getafe puntúe hoy y se acabe la controversia, jeje.89.7.243.236 (talk) 20:41, 6 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Creo que estás equivocado en eso de que "en las liguillas de desempate de puntos, no solo se aplican una única vez, sino recursivamente hasta que se desempate". Voy a buscar a ver si encuentro algún ejemplo en otra temporada y te lo linko.89.7.243.236 (talk) 20:52, 6 May 2013 (UTC)


 * He encontrado este pdf (http://www.lfp.es/Portals/0/intercambio/ReglamentoDesempate.pdf) en el que no dice nada de aplicar recursivamente las reglas de desempate


 * 3. Si el empate fuera entre más de dos clubes se resolverá:


 * - Por la mejor puntuación de la que a cada uno corresponda a tenor de los resultados obtenidos entre ellos


 * - Por la mayor diferencia de goles a favor y en contra, considerando únicamente los partidos jugados entre sí por los clubes empatados (en este caso, cinco)


 * No dice nada de que después de desempatar por puntos, se aplique recursivamente el primer criterio entre los dos últimos equipos.89.7.243.236 (talk) 21:06, 6 May 2013 (UTC)


 * ¿Dónde has leído eso de que "Se puede aplicar tantas miniligas como hagan falta"? Si hay algún documento de la LFP donde se diga, entonces aclararía todo89.7.243.236 (talk) 21:12, 6 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Claro, eso quiere decir que en el quintuple empate, el Levante ya queda primero, el Granada ya queda segundo, el Valladolid ya queda tercero y la norma del golaverage se aplica sólo a Deportivo y Getafe, pero no dice que haya que recalcular nuevamente una miniliga. Dice: "Por la mayor diferencia de goles a favor y en contra, considerando únicamente los partidos jugados entre sí por los clubes empatados" (y esto está debajo del punto 3. Si el empate fuera entre más de dos clubes se resolverá)89.7.243.236 (talk) 21:21, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Ejemplo de desempate
Te voy a demostrar que tengo yo razón con un ejemplo usando la calculadora en la que tú confias, jeje.

Ve a la página http://www.marca.com/multimedia/futbol/calculadora-liga/index.html y haz los siguientes pasos:

1º) Osasuna - Getafe 2 (esto sólo es para apartar al Getafe de los 47 puntos)

2º) R.Sociedad - Granada 2 (verás que el Granada pasa a la posición 15 con 38 puntos)

3º) Granada - Osasuna 1 (verás que el Granada pasa a la posición 13 con 41 puntos)

4º) Valencia - Granada 2 (verás que el Granada pasa a la posición 11 con 44 puntos)

5º) Granada - Getafe 1 (verás que el Granada pasa a la posición 9 con 47 puntos)

6º) Rayo - Valencia X (El Rayo sube a la posición 10 con 47 puntos pero no supera al Granada porque su head-to-head es 2-1 a favor de los andaluces)

Hasta aquí todo como dices tú.

Pero sorpresa:

7º) Málaga - Sevilla X (El Sevilla sube a la posición 9 con 47 puntos, superando al Granada y al Rayo...¡y el Rayo pasa a estar delante del Granada!)

Si miramos la miniliga entre esos tres equipos, el Sevilla les gana claramente.

Si ahora fuera como tú dices, después de determinar que el Sevilla queda por encima, habría que aplicar otra vez las normas sólo a Rayo y Granada, y como el Rayo ganó 1-0 y el Granada ganó 2-0, el Granada se salvaría.

Pero la supercalculadora del Marca está de acuerdo conmigo: Rayo y Granada siguen empatados después del criterio 3.1 (puntos en la miniliga de tres), y siguen empatados después del criterio 3.2 (golaverage en la miniliga de tres), así que hay que aplicar el criterio 3.3.golaverage en todo el campeonato (http://www.lfp.es/Portals/0/intercambio/ReglamentoDesempate.pdf). Y aquí es donde el Rayo tiene de momento -14 y el Granada tiene -21. Por eso el Rayo se salva.


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89.7.243.236 (talk) 18:21, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Es una lástima que la verdad te arruine aquello que has creído durante años. Pero es lo que caracteriza a los malos periodistas y en este caso a los malos editores de wikipedia: nunca dejes que la realidad te arruine un buen titular. Si hay que negar hasta la calculadora que tanto has defendido, pues se niega sin ningun pudor. Peor sería reconocer que has estado equivocado desde el 2010 (o antes). Yo te he puesto el reglamento oficial en pdf de la Liga de Futbol Profesional y además, te he demostrado que aplicándolo coincide con lo que dice la página del periódico más vendido en España. A cambio tú me ofreces cuatro links de la wikipedia editados por ti, por tu otro yo (Raul-Reus), tu amigo Qampunen y una ip que debe ser la tuya cuando no haces login. En esos artículos habéis pretendido imponer vuestra verdad sin ninguna fuente oficial, sólo con argumentos malos como los que me dabas a mí (tipo "se aplica recursivamente una miniliga, aunque no lo creas, yo te digo que es verdad"). Los ejemplos "reales" de los que hablas los has escrito tú, ¡vaya fuentes fiables! jajajaja. En fin, me iré a discutir con gente adulta que no tenga miedo a la verdad. Bye.89.7.243.236 (talk) 21:17, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Hola, compañero! Soy un antiguo editor que solía actualizar el fútbol español en todas sus categorías con asiduidad, pero con la universidad hace tiempo que me es imposible últimamente actualizar nada y sé que está siendo muy bien actualizado por otros editores de gran confianza que realizan un trabajo excelente como tot-futbol y Scaufape, entre otros. Me alegra ver que hay gente que está dispuesta a seguir actualizando el fútbol español. Enhorabuena por el artículo de los play-offs de ascenso. Cuesta lo suyo hacerlos (te lo digo por experiencia propia). He visto que habéis tenido alguna controversia a la hora de determinar cómo se disitribuyen los equipos cuando empatan a puntos. Yo no llegué a conocer bien esta regla hasta que mi equipo se vió implicado en un cuádruple empate. Yo pensaba como tú, que se hacía una liga entre los cuatro equipos y que si había equipos empatados a puntos que se miraría la diferencia de goles (goles a favor menos goles en contra) en esa "liga" que hacíamos con los cuatro equipos. No obstante, cuando investigué en el reglamento me di cuenta de que estaba equivocado (era la famosa ley excluyente). Cuando hay un cuádruple empate (siempre y cuando todos hayan jugado contra todos), efectivamente se hace una liga entre esos cuatro equipos y se ordenan según los puntos que hayan conseguido en esa "liga de cuatro equipos". Sin embargo, cuando hay equipos empatados a puntos haciendo esta liga, se vuelve a repetir el proceso hasta que quedan dos equipos empatados a puntos, en cuyo caso miraríamos al goal-average entre ambos equipos, NO a la diferencia de goles (salvo que el goal-average esté empatado). Te voy a poner un ejemplo:

Imaginemos este escenario (en el cual estos cuatro equipos estaban empatados a puntos). Hacemos una liguilla entre estos equipos:


 * Equipo A 10 puntos
 * Equipo B 8 puntos
 * Equipos C 7 puntos
 * Equipo D 7 puntos

Antiguamente pensaba (y creo que es lo que piensas actualmente), que los equipos C y D los colocaríamos según la diferencia de goles que tuviesen en esa liguilla (goles a favor menos goles en contra). No obstante, esto no funciona así. Cuando ocurre esto, lo que hay que hacer es ver el goal-average entre los equipos C y D, ignorando (excluyendo) a los otros equipos que tienen un número diferente de puntos.

Otro ejemplo:


 * Equipo E 11 puntos
 * Equipo F 9 puntos
 * Equipo G 9 puntos
 * Equipo H 5 puntos

Lo que haríamos sería ver el goal-average entre el equipo F y el equipo G, NO la diferencia de goles que consiguieron en esa liguilla. Sólo tomaríamos en cuenta la diferencia de goles en el caso de que el goal-average esté igualado entre ambos equipos.

Espero que se haya entendido algo jeje. Mil gracias por el trabajo que realizas en Wikipedia :) Qampunen (talk) 23:11, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

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