User talk:Tovojolo/Archive/Archive Q4 2007

Please remember...
...when taking any action - whether it be reviewing, passing, holding or failing - on the GA noms page, that it you should include an edit summary which both describes the action taken and includes the wiki-linked name of the article. Thanks, Van Tucky  Talk 23:26, 9 October 2007 (UTC)



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Bicholim conflict
I have completed fixing Bicholim conflict as per your reccomendeations. AbA 00:17, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Casino Royale (1967 film)
Hi, Tovojolo, I've never participated at GA. Perhaps you can post at WP:FILM to get someone interested? Sandy Georgia (Talk) 20:30, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

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No problem. Happy to help! - Rjd0060 19:33, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Casino
Ahh Meester well done on the GA. I was rather surprised it didn't pass 6 weeks ago. (has it really been that long). Could you do me favour and quickly read the Preity Zinta article and participate at WikiProject Biography/A-class review/Preity Zinta when you have a moment. Your words would be much appreciated cheers. I'm looking to get this to a FA asap  ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦       "Talk"? 13:12, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Cheers buddy,. Hey I kind of get the impression our friend Vikrant has returned to his old ways, or did he ever change? It was almost impossible to edit articles when he was on them - hes done a good job on most of them but I still feel he has taken out certain things that are useful. A one man band I think. Hey are you up for working on Thunderball film soon enough?. I haven;t had much time on Bond lately. It would be nice to get it into shape  ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦       "Talk"? 13:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Sad about Deborah Kerr isn;t it -I know she was a favourite of yours. It would be good to get her article up to FA to honour her. I see it already a GA proposal -I'll be willing to help you get it promoted  ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦       "Talk"? 14:02, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes its amazing isn't it. Somehow I don't think he's got his mits on that yet but only a matter of time. I don't know if the Kerr article is up to GA yet - it may need some more referencing and some more details I think  ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦       "Talk"? 14:05, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I think we ought to take OK Connery under our wing - it starred many members of the Bond cast and starred Sean Connerys brother  ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦       "Talk"? 12:22, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Preity Zinta FA
Hi. I'd like to thankyou personally for your comments which helped the Preity Zinta article achieve A-class status. Due to the wealth of support I have decided to now nominate for an FA class article which I believe and judging by the comments of others is pretty much up to. In my view it is better than some existing FA actor articles. I would therefore be very grateful if you could give it a final review in your own time and leave your comments and views at Featured article candidates/Preity Zinta. Thankyou, your comments are always valuable. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦       "Talk"? 10:57, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes what a complete arse. Clearly I didn't ask anybody directly to support it, respectably I asked for him to leave his own opinions and views after reviewing the article. Seems I was getting him mixed up with another user. Clearly he doesn;t have any experience of wikipedia. I have only seen clips of OK '67. Wow that was some year for Bond parody. I believe Connery was intially pissed at his brither and Moneypenny and M for being in it. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦      "Talk"? 18:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

GA review of Node Magazine
Hello, and thanks first of all for reviewing the Node Magazine article. I'd like to reply to your comments, but I don't want to interrupt your review, as you seem to be in the process of revising it. When you are finished, could you possibly leave a note to that effect on the talkpage? Thanks, Skomorokh  incite 14:07, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
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Hey, Peeps, it's that time of the month again (no not that time &mdash; get your mind out of the gutter): time for another monthly edition of the LGBT Project's Love Boat newsletter from your cruise director Miss Julie. So much has been happening this month and I just can't wait to tell you all about it!!!

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Alice and her harasser
Let's start with some good news: Alice and the project lost the bothersome sock puppet who had been disrupting many articles we monitor, and now most of us can edit in relative peace. Congratulations, Alice, for being able to come out of semi-retirement. Benjiboi, on the other hand, has gained an anonymous IP stalker who seems to be more Catholic than the Pope and who has a hard-on for the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. We seem to have a sort of Yin and Yang thing going on here, which helps both to keep us in balance and on our toes.

Harry Potter and his homosexual teacher
Albus Dumbledore got outed this month, and was immediately adopted by our project. The international brouhaha surrounding this disclosure reached all the way to Wikiland, and his article was briefly locked due to homophobic vandalism (as well as well meaning editors who just couldn't believe that that nice man could possibly be gay). This is a wonderful article to add to your watchlist, and will surely give you hours of reverting fun on cold winter days.

"My Fellow Americans"
On a more serious note, Fireplace has suggested a new article series about LGBT rights in the United States, state by state. This ambitious topic will surely require many editors and a lot of research, but has the potential to add further prestige to our already prestigious project.

Same name, same sexuality: a riddle for the ages
Francis Bacon (not the new gay one, but the old gay one ... though they're actually both dead, now that I think about it) has also aroused passions here on Wikipedia, with editors opposing his sexuality being disclosed in his biography. The always helpful Haiduc has thoughtfully provided any number of sources, but it is slow going getting his point across. Anyone want to lend a hand?

Beat writer arouses Irish guy
And speaking of passions, Jack Kerouac has inflamed the senses once again with editors, including administrator Irishguy, mounting a spirited defense to keep him as heterosexual as possible for Wikipedia purposes. Why? I don't know. Perhaps some of you can drop by the talk page and ask your questions there. I feel certain a stimulating debate will ensue that will be enjoyed by all.

Love those Texas Longhorns
Did you know that one of our Featured articles, Lawrence v. Texas, lost its shiny gold star? That was a shocker. It has been suggested that we turn our attention to it in an effort to restore it to its former glory. I took a peek, and it does need our help badly. For our American editors, it would seem almost a civic duty to edit it (not that I'm hinting....).

Point and Counterpoint
Though it was far too intellectual a debate for a mere cruise director like myself to take part in, Intersexuality was certainly a hot topic a week or two ago. The thrust of the debate was over inclusion in our project. Lots of good editors had lots of good opinions. For those too lazy to check out the discussion, we decided to leave it out for now.

Drudgery on offer
Peer review is, as always, short staffed and seemingly unloved. Wouldn't you feel better about yourself and the world in general if you took a few minutes to read one of the listed articles and offer some helpful advice? I know I'd feel better if you did.
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"My Fellow Americans" redux
The article LGBT movements in the United States certainly raised eyebrows last week, especially when it was discovered that copyrighted content had been added to our article. Tragedy was averted at the last minute, though, when the original hosts of the article where the material had been pilfered agreed to make it free to everyone. Our thanks to them, whoever they are. Busy Bee that I am, I haven't had time to read it, but I'm sure it's sensational.

This month's Wiki stars
Lesbian pulp fiction (a genre close to my heart, I must confess) writer Ann Bannon has decided to spice up the featured articles candidates list this month. Why not drop by and make your opinion heard? Joining her in this lofty aspiration are the articles But I'm a Cheerleader and Conversion therapy. I'm sure their main editors would welcome any comments (well, helpful ones, anyway) on the talk pages or the FAC discussions. And lest we forget, the List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: Sd-Si became a Featured list!! Rah rah, siskumbah! Go, team, GO!!!!

And the Oscar goes to...
Not content to run for Best Actress, plucky Bannon won a Best supporting actress Oscar... whoops, I meant to say Ann is also getting more than her share of womanly attention on the Good Article list. Joining her on this exalted plane are Freddy Mercury, Waylon Smithers and Lance Bass. Good articles indeed, and the last one mentioned just goes to show that one needn't admire the subject of an article to appreciate the effort put into making him worthwhile reading. What on earth Britney ever saw in him I'll never know. Truly a riddle cloaked in an enigma and wrapped around a puzzle.

Fresh faces to brighten our pages
Though I may not be the first, let me extend a warm, LGBT Love Boat welcome to the 12 new members who joined us in October: Jliberty, JockCub360, ChristopherEdwards, Desiderius82, Zlrussell, Kelsied, BeardedWoof, Mujerado, Tyrfing, Fabgurrl, Redl@nds597198, and decafdyke! Whatever you choose to do here, I feel sure that your contributions will enhance our project to no end. And if they don't...well, let's just say that I'm not shy.

Leather and lace
On a personal note, your already overworked cruise director is being cyberly whipped almost daily by Nemissimo, who desperately wants to get the German BDSM translation copy edited and used as a replacement for the current one. It's such a ... err, stimulating topic that I am sure many of you will want to join the copy editing fun. Jump right in, folks! It's so lonely copy editing it all by my lonesome!

Late breaking news
A little birdie just whispered in my ear that our noble collaboration project was delisted from the Community Portal due to inactivity. When asked how this scandalous turn of events could have occurred, the answer I received was "we suck at stuff like that". Well. In the first place, I disagree that sucking should be considered a negative, but to each his or her own. In the second place, I have full confidence that we can and will collaborate with other projects in the future. So let's not view this as a setback (even though it is), but rather a challenge to improve (and good Lord, I sound almost Wikipedian!).

Champagne dreams and caviar kisses
Lastly, the holidays are rapidly approaching. Our American cousins are currently getting ready to slaughter masses of poultry in an effort to show their gratitude and generally peaceful demeanor, and those of the Canadian persuasion, trendsetters that they are, celebrated a bit early this year. I'm sure all us foreigners will join together in wishing them all a very happy Thanksgiving on their respective holidays, both already celebrated and forthcoming... though I would hope somebody would enlighten me as to why they don't celebrate it on the same day. I was awake all last night trying to figure that one out. - In the spirit of this peculiarly North American holiday, let me take a moment to thank all of our editors for their contributions to this project. It's people like you who make people like me...well, a "people person"! May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon.
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Kisses,

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Difficulty in contacting you
I hope I am now able to answer you regarding Deborah Kerr.

My involvement with Deborah Kerr is personal, in that I'm a professional writer who got to know her and some of her colleagues such as Robert Anderson (Tea and Sympathy).

Regarding documentation, I have personal letters from her and many people I cite, who wrote correspondence to the Academy and the British authorities, etc. to get her the Oscar and royal honour.

Except for an interview by a Scottish Sun reporter, who quoted me in a long piece about her and an article in the Helensburgh, Scotland newspaper after I raised a ruckus about there being no tributes to this fabulous lady in her home town, I am afraid I don't have the sort of official citations you say you need.

I can't imagine why anecdotal stuff from legitimate authorities would not be taken seriously from people such as myself who are established professionals (IMDB and other Internet sources).

However, if that's what you require, so be it. Unfortunately, if my tales (and others) are left out, it won't tell the full story and fill in a lot of the missing pieces about this wonderful lady who has just left us.

I might add that it's intriguing that her husband died so soon after. And in Marbella, Spain. There was no indication as to whether he was even with her when she died. I was told by Robert Anderson that they lived apart most of the time ever since her health started failing. I'm not surprised he is being buried in Spain. Haven't heard about where her funeral and interment was, but I assume it was in Britain, considering her family lives there. Very odd indeed.

Michael Russnow User talk:Andymickey 02:33, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Verifiable sources
The question then is: What is a verifiable source?

For example, in the Hollywood Reporter obit of Deborah there were a number of errors. They referred to the play she toured in as "The Day After the Affair," instead of "The Fair." They referred to her disastrous affair with a young student in "Tea and Sympathy," which isn't at all what happened in the play/film. She has sex with him at the end to prove his "manhood" to him and it isn't predatory at all.

There were other mistakes in the article and I wanted to write, then didn't as it was well after the fact (I had been in Brazil when she died).

So, I guess what I'm saying is that just because it's in print doesn't make it right. And if you have first-hand information from people who knew her or knew people who knew her and who are verifiable sources by dint of their being in the same profession, etc. I would have thought that should be enough. I'm not talking about gossip, but, for example, how the town of Helensburgh, Scotland rejected a plaque honoring her as one of their own simply because she'd actually been born in a Glasgow hospital. Ridiculous provincialism.

Or digging into more salacious stuff why her husband apparently wasn't with her when she died. I don't know that for a fact, but as he died of lymphoma in Marbella, Spain less than three weeks later, I'm assuming he was in bad shape himself and didn't just hop on a plane in England after she died to go to Spain. I'd heard several years ago from Robert Anderson (author of Tea and Sympathy) that they had a very strange marriage, and that while she lived in Klosters, Switzerland, he was in their home in Spain. It isn't a major stretch to go from there that when her health declined and since he was nowhere around it was decided by her daughters that she return to Britain for her final years to be near them.

Anyway, I could go on and on -- not to mention the Oscar campaign. The factual part that Roddy McDowall became the point man on the Academy Governors to get her the honor. This was told to me by another Governor, Hal Kanter, who also served on the Writers Guild Board of Directors with me. And that I had talked to McDowall for years about Deborah after my own letter writing campaign on her behalf -- but that he was campaigning for Vincent Price until the actor died.

There may not be newspaper articles about all this (although there is about the Helensburgh stuff, because I have such an article, which was written after my visit to the town), but it seems a shame that this sort of information is not shared with the general public who don't click on the discussion button and thus don't get the full picture.

However, with a Writers Guild of America strike on now and all of us heavily engaged in that, I really don't have time to worry about this anymore. She's gone. My campaign to make her a Dame is over and I guess I should now campaign to sell one of my scripts. She had a grand life and I'm proud to have known her and met her.

All best,

Michael Russnow User talk:Andymickey 04:38, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Kerr
I just stopped by Deborah Kerr's article and i noticed that almost all of the article's problems have been fixed. If you renominate for GA i'll review it. Yamanbaiia 13:41, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No, i'm saying that if you renominate it i'll give the article a thorough look, and then help fix the problems. The thing is that if i start editing now, then i won't be able to review it, and when you (or i) renominate it Kerr will again sit there forever until someone else reviews it. Yamanbaiia 20:45, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

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Miss Kerr
Excellent work friend glad it made it. They demoted Zinta back to a B when it received 25 votes even for a FA!! I'm currently feeling very tired and unable to keep editing consistently I need a bit of time away again. I'll return feeling a bit more refreshed and try not to take so much on ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦      "Talk"? 22:22, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Kerr
No, your welcome. I am sorry that the other reviewer find flaws in my review, but i really think that it now complies with the GA criteria. Anyway, if you are interested in further improving the article you should consider taking it to WP:PR. :) -Yamanbaiia (talk) 22:34, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

SPECTRE
Hey I found the coolest of images for the SPECTRE article. This is so valuable see Image:SPECTRE.jpg!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦     "Talk"? 19:09, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

The Two Mrs. Nahasapeemapetilons
I've fixed a majority of the concerns raised in your review, and anything I havn't I have listed my reasons for not doing so on the talk page. If you disagree with my reasonings, or have any other concerns that please make them known, and I'll do my best to fix them. Gran2 19:46, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Coincidentally that's my 25th GA, so double thanks! Gran2 20:25, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Abelisauridae GA
Hi Tovojolo,

I've made some adjustments to the text of Abelisauridae, as you requested. I hope you find them in line with what you wanted. Let me know if further changes are needed. Best wishes and happy editing, Firsfron of Ronchester  20:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review. If you think of anything else which may help this article, please do not hesitate to mention it. Best, Firsfron of Ronchester  22:32, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Deborah Kerr again
I just happened one more time to get back on your page, and although I understand your reasons for deleting earlier references, as a professional writer I believe I heightened the "lead" of the story, which you have deleted again, so I'm not going to bother any further.

I originally changed it to emphasize the most important part of her persona, that she was a six-time Oscar nominee, Broadway star, etc. etc., and you have reverted the opening sentence to feature the fact that she was a Golden Globe winner, which is not nearly so significant an honor as being nominated for an Oscar six times or as well-known an award throughout the world.

So be it. It is your article. And I'm still on strike.

In answer to your question about the Cannes Film Festival career award, she won it in 1984, and I'm inserting a hyperlink to the honour that year (I hope it works for you). She was given the honour by her director friend Stanley Donen (The Grass is Greener), and I must say that it is a very understated ceremony, as compared to the Oscars, for example. Very quick. On and off with a lot of applause and cheers, but no film clips, as with the Oscars.

She looks and sounds great (at 62), and it shows you how much she declined in voice and appearance by the time she got the Oscar ten years later (assuming you have that tape, which I do). Here is the link and good luck with your article. The link still works (I just checked it), but I don't know how long these hyperlinks work (I've been trying to figure out how to download the videos, as I was able to do with the NBC nightly news coverage of her death, but that was on You Tube and there is a program to download such things). I also have hyperlinks for the TF1 (France) television obit, and also from CBS news (couldn't get the ABC one), BBC, UK Channel 4 and a couple of others if that interests you. Here's the link:

http://www.ina.fr/archivespourtous/index.php?vue=notice&id_notice=CPB93005735

BTW, I'm sorry this went on a public page, but I cannot figure out how to send a private message to you (I looked everywhere -- the only thing that looked like it might work is "email this user" but it indicates that you don't have such an account).

Sorry for the public response.

Michael Andymickey (talk) 21:22, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

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Thunderball
Hey check out Thunderball (film) I done a lot!! of work on it today. It resembles the shape of Casino Royale 2006 now doesn't it. It will need a lot of work and referencing properly but I would love to see an FA for all of the Bond film evnetually. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦     "Talk"? 22:07, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

george martin
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Deborah Kerr
8Beware of WP:OWN & WP:3RR.Vikrant Phadkay 05:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice tag isnt it?
 * Do not stop anyone from improving a GA.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vikrant_Phadkay" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vikrant Phadkay (talk • contribs) 16:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That's what people think? Blofeld apologised & Windler gave me two stars. And my FA has also been appreciated on the projects talk page! VPA 16:13, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Cinema of Pakistan
I have closed the AfD for you by placing at the top and  at the bottom. I've also removed the AfD tag from the article. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 05:05, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

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