User talk:Trader Rob

Please stop removing
Links to websites with vague summaries "nationalist portal removed". You should instead bring it to the community's attention at a forum like WP:RSN. Note that the portal claims to have received awards and/or media coverage. Whether it is reliable or not should be discussed by a community. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:01, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

May 2020

 * Not a CheckUser block, but reviewing admin compare to Special:Contributions/Crynot. Both also utilize the same VPN service (different ranges, etc.) in addition to the behavioral similarities. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:28, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I was following instructions from meeting. I chose extremist material, and removed it with edit summaries. It fills my heart with joy to see others have stepped up against hate after the chapter meeting, but they are not me. I edit not from my home IP, again following guidance. In my country, not being "patriotic" enough on war history can have have criminal and civil consequences. Editing from my home IP would put me in danger. Trader Rob (talk) 20:38, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Trader Rob, can you say what the chapter meeting was? SarahSV (talk) 20:56, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I see it now. SarahSV (talk) 20:57, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , you're saying that a group of anti-fascists are MEAT in the same circumstances that a group of feminists would be welcomed. SarahSV (talk) 21:00, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, this is a pretty compelling point. I do still wish they had declared their relationship and I do worry about coordinated editing. The flip side is, frankly, the world needs more anti-fascists at the moment. I don't object to an unblock if others think it appropriate, but note I am not the blocking admin. --Yamla (talk) 22:30, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I've edited in this topic area recently, so I feel I shouldn't use the tools. The backdrop is that Tony is blocking new accounts that make good edits after Piotrus points them out as socks. I've expressed concern at Tony's talk. SarahSV (talk) 22:38, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

I also think they’re lying: it’s much easier to believe that one of the sockmasters in this area read the ARCA and SPI and started using the explanation SlimVirgin gave for proxy usage. We’ve literally had no unblock requests mention it until it was brought up (and no I’m not accusing Sarah of telling them to do this, but sockmasters do read SPIs and threads.) Unless the anti-fascist group was also teaching tricks that socks do to avoid being noticed, I don’t think this is a reasonable explanation. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:42, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * But that wasn't the explanation I gave. SarahSV (talk) 22:45, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You mentioned using proxies because of Poland’s laws both at the ARCA and the Icewhiz SPI. After that it started coming up in unblock requests. Again, there’s a possibility there are some good faith users where this is true, but we can’t let “I’m in Poland and afraid of my government” be an automatic unblock in this area. Even with Chinese editors who request IPBE we typically try to look for some evidence they’re actually in China and not socking. There’s none of that for this account and other indicators that it’s related to the Crynot account. As I said, I’m not blocking every account in the area that’s raised to me, but these two accounts look very much like the same person and also someone who has been here before. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:58, 24 May 2020 (UTC)