User talk:Traditional unionist/Archives/2008/February

Women's Orange Order
Could you make a quick phone call or something and find out what the women's Orange Order is officially called? I think we need to mention them on the Orange Order page but this is tricky without knowing what they're actually called. I'm asking you specifically because I'm back in New Zealand, so I can't do it myself, and I think most of the other contributors to the page would feel compelled to disinfect themselves should they have any kind of amiable contact with a loyal order member. --Helenalex (talk) 08:22, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Isn't it the "Women's Loyal Orange Order"? - A l is o n  ❤ 09:16, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * "Women's Loyal Orange Order (who don't just make tea)" you mean surely? One Night In Hackney  303  09:21, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Now now, Hack. That criticism is levelled at most women's organisations, from the WI to the ICA and it's usually very misplaced - A l is o n  ❤ 09:30, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I just thought it was worth mentioning. 66% of search results make that point expressly clear. One Night In Hackney  303  09:35, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That's rather amusing actually. --Counter-revolutionary (talk) 09:38, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Grrr! You guys ... :) - A l is o n  ❤ 09:40, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll ask the old boy in a min.Traditional unionist (talk) 12:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Association of Loyal Orangewomen of Ireland. (Dudley-Edwards, 1999, pp88)Traditional unionist (talk) 18:58, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Cool! I dug out a book ref for it, too, if anyone wants to add a reference to the OO article;



"There is also a youth section of the Orange Order. Junior Orange lodges first appeared in the last century [19th Century - Allie] but did not come under control of the Grand Orange Lodge until 1925 It is probably at its strongest in Belfast, catering for boys under 16. In 1974 the running of the organisation was handed over to the Junior Grand Lodge of Ireland. The 'Juniors' or 'Juveniles', as it is sometimes referred to, organise parades but also tries to involve the youngsters in other recreations and holiday trips. There are also Women's Orange Lodges that parade. They are structured into a separate organisation known as the Association of Loyal Orangewomen of Ireland. Their profile has risen in recent years particularly around support of the Drumcree dispute."


 * - A l is o n  ❤ 19:47, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Does it say anything about them making tea, or otherwise? One Night In Hackney  303  19:48, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You're thinking of the UWUC.Traditional unionist (talk) 20:52, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Not really, see the search results. One Night In Hackney  303  20:57, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the sarcasm was lost. In any case, the Women's Orange are actually quite an active lot with a separate identity.  It actually was discovered that they were forgotten about when the disaffiliation between the Order and Party occurred.  They weren't happy about disaffiliation being forced on them in the end - they're heavily UUP even now.Traditional unionist (talk) 21:06, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Might be nice if they had an article of their own, too. Their web presence is abyssmal, unfortunately. Someone want to make a note in List of women's organizations? - A l is o n  ❤ 21:09, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

NI motto
No. That wasn't me it was done by User:Setanta747 on April 4, 2006 in this edit: . AFAIK, the motto is not actually part of the coat of arms: it wasn't in the grant by Ulster King of Arms, anyway. On looking at the article I see another inaccuracy: the lion supporter is red, not gold, and the elk is gold not white! I think the text was describing an earlier inaccurate image created by a user. You can see the old image here:. I believe the current one is correct, so the article needs editing. Lozleader (talk) 20:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)