User talk:Trafford09/Archive 1

Hello
This is my first Archive page. Please don't edit it! Trafford09 (talk) 10:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

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 * Hello, Trafford09. I don't have enough experience on Wikipedia to adopt users, but if you are interested, you can find other more experienced people who are looking for adoptees on Adopt-a-User/Adoptee's Area. I welcomed you not because you made any mistake, but because I was patrolling the new changes page (Recent changes patrol) and I noticed that you had made some good-quality edits and I decided to welcome you; it was not any edit in special, but all of them together (I didn't look into all of them, just some). I see no problem in using the talkpages to communicate; I don't read the email very often, so I prefer to use the talk pages, if you don't mind. Best wishes, --Anna Lincoln (talk) 09:12, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Anna. That's fine, and thanks again for the welcome and tips, e.g. Trafford09 (talk) 10:03, 25 February 2009 (UTC) !

Hi
Hi Trafford09. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meandv (talk • contribs) 16:02, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Mumbai Reverts
(This section was added by Suyogaerospace, to reply to my query on his page about the topic. I've inserted my original query here too, for clarity.)   Trafford09 (talk) 09:28, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

My actual change to the Mumbai page was, following an existing sentence referring to "Mumbai's ... better standard of living ... attract migrants" to add this direct quote from the BBC: "[However,] around half of Mumbai's population live in slums." I included a proper reference to the article [ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7909660.stm ].

When my change was undone, I posted the following on the reverter's talk page, and you'll also see his reply on my page, below my query.

Hi Suyogaerospace. You seem to have undone a change I made today to Mumbai. Maybe you were correct to do so. However, my change was just to add a sentence of 9 words, complete with a proper reference to a BBC News article from today. Do you not think it was a little harsh that the reason given for undoing my contribution was the 1-word 'vandelism'? Trafford09 (talk) 09:28, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Hello! I have reverted your edits because its that policy, have you seen the HTML comments on mumbai page? It says that to do a change you should gain a census about it. Alreadly debate on % of people living in slums is going on (check talk page of mumbai) diffrent sources gives diffrent number of percentage. So its better to first agree on % and then add it on article. Secondly I request you to get involve in discussion on talk page. Please dont reignite this isssue ;) Dont consider my reverts as biting or harresment. Assume good faith (PS I just corrected a caption of an image and my edit was reverted just because I didnt put it on talk page then we had a huge debate and I was prove right ;))(Please reply on my talkpage)-- Suyog talk to me!  02:33, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

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Hi again, Suyogaerospace. May I make the following observations:

1. It seems more helpful to have our comments on the same page, so I'll put my points here, and also put a small pointer on your talk page.

2.	Yes, my contribution was with hindsight in error - a point I acknowledged in my query to you - because, as you correctly pointed out in your reply, there are rules on editing that article. When I posted my change, I hadn't realised these rules were in place. I hadn't appreciated that (a) it was an FA [Wikipedia Featured Article], nor that (b) there was much talk on its Discussion page. I also hadn't spotted that the article already contained my 9 words (albeit some pages further down, under Demographics, section 9).

3.	However, the reverter said only 'Vandelism' as the reason for reverting. If they had instead said 'Vandalism - please see Discussion page.', or a few words to that effect, then I could have understood. After all, to most people, vandalism suggests something far worse. It may be deleting existing portions, defacing them, or adding content that is offensive, non-relevant, or unsupported by a proper reference to its source. My contribution was none of these.

4.	You rightly advise "Assume good faith.". Surely one act of good faith would be to encourage a contributor, even if he is breaking rules. Simply point out to them where the rules are, rather than dismisss as 'vandalism', with no help to them?

5.	Wikipedia's own advice - in Simplified_ruleset - encourages contributors to: (1) Be bold! in updating pages. Go ahead, it's a wiki! Encourage others, including those who disagree with you, likewise to Be bold! (6) Particularly, don't revert good faith edits. Reverting is a little too powerful sometimes ...  If you really can't stand something, revert once, with an edit summary something like "(rv) I disagree strongly, I'll explain why in talk." and immediately take it to talk.

6.	You mention an edit of yours being reverted and your being proved right. How does this relate to my query?

7.	I suggest the following spellings: vandalism, it's, Mumbai, consensus, different, don't, harassment. Trafford09 (talk) 11:03, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

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Hi hmmm your point number 3 to 5 are almost same so I'll answer them together.
 * I agree I didn't mention why I reverted it because that time I was clicked save page button in place of show preview. So to make up for it I posted a huge message on your talk page
 * My experience was just to tell you that not even establish and senior editors are spared ;) So you dont feel that Im biting you or harassing you
 * Coming to spellings I type too fast and some times sequence of keys get up-down, And when you get use to IMs and Voice to text things your writing and typing habbits fall apart ;)
 * I mostely prefer that other editors should reply on my talk page but still if you insist that you will reply on your talk page only then you can take help of Talkback template-- Suyog talk to me!  14:43, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Help Request
Please could you explain what (top) signifies, on a Page History page - I tried to find (top) in Help search, but no joy. Thx.
 * You probably mean on your contributions page. (Top) in that case means it's the last edit that was made to the page, the 'top' edit in the history. // roux   18:13, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Excellent - that makes sense of it all. Many thanks.  Trafford09 (talk) 18:41, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Watchlist
Please could you advise me whether & how one can add http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/11.22.333.44 (as example) to one's watchlist? Thanks.
 * Unfortunately there is a software limitation that prevents things like contributions pages being added to watchlists. Basically, you cannot watchlist any page that is dynamically generated on each view (like contributions). // roux   07:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Roux.

Spelling
Thanks ;) I purposely do grammatical errors to increase my edit counts while fixing them :D-- Suyog talk to me!  07:58, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Lol - I like that :) Trafford09 (talk) 08:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Request for the name of a template
Could somebody please tell me the name of one of the templates which appears when a logged-in editor writes a new article? The template I'm referring to is the one which includes the text "When creating an article, provide references to reliable published sources. An article without references will likely be deleted quickly.". I've searched Help, and followed links to Template:Semi-protected et al, but cannot find the one I'm seeking. Thanks in advance. Trafford09 (talk) 11:00, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Did you mean,, which looks like this;

(remove the tn| to see the real template for refimprove)

--  Chzz  ►  11:20, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * No, Chaz. I meant the one with the text I showed above.  Maybe if you paste

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hjhjhjh&action=edit&redlink=1 into your browser, you'll see the exact page where it appears. (But thanks anyway.) Trafford09 (talk) 11:30, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, I'll take a look. There's so many tools out there. To make it easier, you might like to go to your perferences, and, in gadgets, enable FRIENDLY. That gives you buttons to very quickly tag articles with all kinds of things. --   Chzz  ►  11:32, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Aha, I think I've found what you mean! It's not a template, it's a function of the wiki software. If you go to an article that doesn't exist, for example jasdhfljhasdfk, and click "create this article", a message automatically appears at the top. It says;


 * Before creating an article, please read Wikipedia:Your first article, or search for an existing article to which you can redirect this title.
 * To experiment, please use the sandbox.
 * When creating an article, provide references to reliable published sources. An article without references will likely be deleted quickly.

(but with WIKILINKs); if you need it, I might be able to get a copy of the actual source code?

--  Chzz  ►  11:57, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, I'm going to close off this 'helpme' for now. If you do require further help, please either contact me via my talk page, or put another helpme request on this page.

Thanks! --  Chzz  ►  12:14, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your time, Chzz. Trafford09 (talk) 12:38, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

You're very welcome, any time

psst - has anyone told you about the missing manual? Ssh. It's a secret :-)

--  Chzz  ►  13:03, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
GT5162 (我的对话页) 15:44, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Re. creating pages "template"
Hi, Yes, I do remember; Sorry I failed t o track it to that mediawiki page; we live and learn. I've 'thrown my oar in' to the discussion. Cheers, --  Chzz  ►  15:34, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * P.S. I'll also ask some others to look in on it. --  Chzz  ►  15:40, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

--  Chzz  ►  14:52, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Live help
By the way, although it is noted in the helpme template, you may not be aware that the talk to us live thing really works; there's several people, including myself, sitting there all the time, more than happy to help users with any Wikipedia questions. Pop in and say "hi" some time.--  Chzz  ►  14:55, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * For anybody else reading this: well, the live help works extremely well - I'd recommend it. Trafford09 (talk) 12:08, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

You're Welcome
No problem. You're welcome. Cool3 (talk) 15:37, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Questions while I was away
Hi,

I noticed you asked a couple of things in help, when nobody was there.

1 can you tell if an editor's logged in? (Except by checking their recent edits)


 * I don't think you can - unless you have another form of contact with them, such as MSN etc. Wikipedia is very 'anonymous. If they don't edit, they don't show up.

2 How do you tell an editor's rights?


 * Go to Special, Log (where you normally see contributions, change the pull-down to "user rights log", leave the "user" box empty, and in the "Title" box, put "User:Chzz" (or whoever).


 * Note - this confuses everyone; if you put a name in the "User", it shows you rights that that user has given.


 * Alternatively, Special, users - rights are shown in brackets after the name, if there are any.


 *  Chzz  ►  15:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
 Chzz  ►  16:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism report
Could somebody deal with this user? I've got to go out!
 * ✅ Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 17:51, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Removal of category
Hiya. Just letting you know that after your edit to the Talk:Retiarius Talk page, I've had to removed the Category, as it's inappropriate to the article. If you meant to add a different Category, please redo your edit, selecting the appropriate category that you intended to add.


 * Why do you believe so? A Retiarius is a gladiator-style derived from fishermen, so would seem to be related to fishing. 70.29.213.241 (talk) 04:44, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Query re. edit summaries
Answered in User:Trafford09/Sandbox, as requested  Chzz  ►  17:24, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

[User's reply re TW]

 * Thanks for the Twinkle tip. I am aware of the pre-written vandalism warnings and do use them.  However, I do write my own informal messages to vandals, just to let them know they have been caught and record their mischief on their talk page. Thanks, and down with vandalism.Stepp-Wulf (talk) 02:32, 22 April 2009 (UTC).

Trout
I humbly accept. Trafford09 (talk) 01:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Frusciante heroin addiction is unsourced?
That very same article says he was addicted to heroin. 200.160.69.53 (talk) 16:11, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi IP200. I looked at your contribution to the John Frusciante Main Page article, and noticed you'd not included  an in-line citation, nor had you provided any WP:edit summary.  I then examined  the other previous contributions from the IP address you used, and looked at the prior warnings on your talk page.  Hence my warning - but I admit I was unaware that your claim (whilst uncited) was in fact true.  Nonetheless, I presume that Frusciante is best known for his good guitar work, rather than his drug-addiction?  The article says "In 1998, he successfully completed drug rehabilitation"; doesn't the passing of 11 years since then earn him a break?  Also, you said yourself that the article already referred to his prior drug problem. I wonder whether there's much merit in the article referring to it twice.  Maybe the other contributions from your IP address weren't made by you?  Had you considered registering a user name instead of the IP?  Anyway, I hope to be praising your future Wikipedia contributions.  If I can be any help, please ask.  Regards, Trafford09 (talk) 16:58, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * He's not know for good guitar work but for playing guitar in Red Hot Chili Peppers and during that time he did a lot of heroin. 200.160.69.53 (talk) 23:44, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * - with bio's of living persons, we have to be particularly careful about the facts - especially if they are contentious - see WP:BLP. In this specific case, I can see your point - and agree that he's best known as a member of the Chilli's. Doing a rough calc though, from Google News, I get just over 1000 hits for "Frusciante guitar" (here) and only about 200 for "Frusciante heroin" (here). Not the most scientific of tests, but it's something. Therefore, in the interests of balance, I'd have to say that it's not appropriate to add that info. If you disagree, you should suggest your edit on the article discussion page, Talk:John Frusciante.
 * Also, I'd just like to support what Trafford09 said - get yourself a Wikipedia account, for all kinds of reasons.
 * Cheers,  Chzz  ►  05:05, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

User:Sunnytree
Yeah, that page should go, too. I'll MfD it. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 00:25, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually I just put a db-ad on it. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 00:26, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Ta. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 00:35, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

205ywmpq
I thought it might be worth noting these links, while I had them open.

So - the SUL utility is here,

And the Japanese SPI investigation mentioning the user is here.

Cheers,  Chzz  ►  04:50, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

ACCA
yes it is ACCA

Colossal (talk) 15:51, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Removal of text on talk pages
Regarding this edit to User:Dr. Blofeld's talk page, he is permitted to remove comments from his own talk page as he sees fit, even though archiving is preferred, this is also true of warning templates as removing a warning template implies that you have read and understand it. Also I hope you can appreciate the irony in not signing your comment about signing comments. --kelapstick (talk) 18:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It's a fair cop - mea culpa. Have apologised to the good Dr. & thanked Kelapstick.  We live and learn. :) Trafford09 (talk) 00:21, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

My Vaarky/Reference page
Thanks for checking about whether the appearance of the link for the page on users looking for help meant that I needed help. I'm actually just keeping a list of pages I would like to look at at some point to familiarize myself with what they're for. I wasn't trying to request help by it, but really appreciate your asking. I'll update the page to clarify so it doesn't confuse anyone else. -- Vaarky (talk) 06:33, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Removed the category that caused it to index as though I needed help. Sorry for the false alarm. -- Vaarky (talk) 07:00, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks - no problem. Trafford09 (talk) 07:07, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Guidelines for new articles
Apparently: "Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines to which all articles should adhere. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Your first article and How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation." Trafford09 (talk) 11:46, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

hi t9!!!
I got it!!!!
 * so you did - well done.

testSrimukh (talk) 10:58, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Excellent :) Trafford09 (talk) 11:00, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

talkback
 Chzz  ►  11:07, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

 Chzz  ►  07:46, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:New contributors' help page
I saw what you were trying to do there, so I located the references and wrapped them in nowiki tags. That should prevent the error message from displaying at the bottom. Best, TN X Man  01:00, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that, sir. I guess my 2nd attempt - even tho' it works for now - would be scuppered if another user added further refs?
 * Anyway, nice trick of yours - I must remember it. At least I can look here for the reminder.  Cheers, Trafford09 (talk) 01:07, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, happy to help. If another user adds further refs, then we can just add nowiki tags again and drop them a note explaining what's going on. TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  11:54, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: AIV
Hello - thanks for the message. You're doing fine! My meaning was that IP addresses - especially dynamic ones like that one - cannot be vandalism-only accounts. The next person who logs on from their living room may be completely different than this guy and we don't want them to feel unwelcome. Also, IPs are rarely blocked longer than 24 to 48 hours unless it's a static IP with a long history of abuse. This IPs three edits don't qualify.

Lastly, be sure that any editor you're about to report to AIV a) has been given a final level 4 warning, and b) has made an abusive edit after that final warning. Many users are simply testing out the 'anyone can edit' thing; others will stop after the level 3 warning, as this particular editor did; and even more will stop after their final warning. We want to be preventing current abusive edits from a bad-faith user, not punishing for edits made several hours or days prior. The vandalism and blocking policies have more information. Keep up the good work! - Krakatoa  Katie  02:26, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Replied
And...

Please

I've helped you a bit, yes?

I don't often - actually, this is 1st time ever - ask for favours in return;

Please, do *something* to improve William Windsor (goat)

I am asking everyone I know to contribute...even if just a little...to this interesting, quirky article.

Fix a typo; improve a ref; get some background info from the web; email the barracks and ask for a pic; ask others to contribute; say something on the talk page, or the DYK request or the peer review; ***anything*** :-)

Please help restore my faith in the wiki community; many hands make light work, etc.

 Chzz  ►  00:09, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Stan Bunn
Thanks for your comments and the other improvements you made on the article. As to the "in" part, it may be a US/British English thing, or maybe even a Pacific Northwest thing, or possibly the usage in this particular manner. Here we also usually use "in" as in your car example, but there 1985 will always be 1985. With this example the time frame will vary depending on the person at the beginning of the sentence, as in his senior year was 1963 to 1964, but my senior year was 1993 to 1994. Now, I don't know if that is the reason why here we more typically omit the "in" when discussing students and their class years, but my experience is that we do omit it. The other change I had reverted, just FYI, is a bit clunky with my wording, but the use of "third year" (or "first year") is the lingo for law school, but I had to make sure people understood it was also the final year. Thanks. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Okey-dokey. Thanks for your explanation.  All the best, Trafford09 (talk) 23:46, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

AIV reports
Hi. If you warn someone could you not report them immediately afterwards since warnings could possibly deter them? (As in this case, even though it was valid since it's a vandal-only account). -- Menti  fisto  22:57, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Understood - thx. Trafford09 (talk) 23:01, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

IRC
Hey,

You might be interested in Village_pump_(miscellaneous).

 Chzz  ►  16:36, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Please walk me through uploading an image
Hi Trafford09, I'm glad you are a "mere mortal" that maybe can help me! I looked in Wikimedia Commons for a photo of this band but didn't see one, but I believe that this album cover can and should be allowed under "fair use" law, and also because this album is out of print (from 1986). MTStern (talk) 13:47, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Uploading album cover image contd.
Trafford09, I want to continue this conversation with you, since you're already familiar with what i've explained so far. It seems that the file was uploaded, but to where, I'm not sure. Perhaps, I just need to wait??

About the "live chat", I did try that... but it seemed rather slow. Also, I didn't know if I should put your user name in on the first screen or mine.

Thank you very much for your continued assistance and patience. Below is the page I'm trying to add the image to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koinonia_(band)

MTStern (talk) 17:00, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi Trafford
Hi, I saw your message on Chzz's talk page to another user & was wondering whether you could have a look over this article I've been working on & see what you think-User:Dottydotdot/workpage/History of Dubai. The current article is at History of Dubai. Any comments on my talk page would be very much appreciated. Thanks! Dottydotdot (talk) 01:25, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, look forward to them.Dottydotdot (talk) 01:34, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much-do you think the lead section is OK? Dottydotdot (talk) 17:43, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, thank you very much, appreciated. Dottydotdot (talk) 07:20, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow - two barnstars in 24 hours - thank you for yours. Hey, they're like buses, these!  (But more pleasurable!)


 * Seriously though, I enjoy copy-editing, so am happy to help again if you'd like on a future occasion. Cheers, Trafford09 (talk) 09:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar
I've got a very long way to go, to get up to your level, but thanks for the thought & encouragement. Trafford09 (talk) 16:28, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Pauline Léon
I declined your speedy, added some references, and tidied it up a bit. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:06, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I've replied - with thanks - on Martin's talk page. Trafford09 (talk) 11:46, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

hello
Zabadac (talk) 15:31, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Zabadac, well done.

thank you
Thank you for your help.

I found that there was no 'new section' for the user who sent me a message I want to reply too.

So, I was unable to reply, and challenge things.

Can users disable incoming messages? If so, how do I get a return to this perosn?

kindest regards, Zabadac (talk) 15:48, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

answer to question
Zabadac (talk) 15:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC) Thank you Trafford. There is now a 'new section' coming up on that users - Mr Ollie.

I'll send a note now.

Thanks for the tip on spaces.

citation help
Thanks! For the speedy response to my distress call on how to cite a thesis. NHearn (talk) 18:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Sweeeeeeeeeet!!! That is wonderful! Have a great morning. I may come and pick your brain later. 24.248.193.115 (talk) 13:29, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

predatory revisions
Trafford

After I was 'advsied' not to add an extrenal link, and it was removed, I checked the extrenal links on a number of entries.

Clearly, there were commercial, advertisng based links. So, I decided I would remove thos offending items.

The revisons I made have been 'reverted', with no reasonable explantion

I am concerned that this system is one rule for one person, and another rule for another person, and that my updates are being 'attacked'.

Either the extrenal oinks policy if followed by everyone, or not.

I would liek you to review the site entry for 'high end audio', specifically the external links, and reveiw the recent 'updates'.

If my suggested link does not follow guidelines, I fail to see how the ones that someone is trying to hang to can meet the guidelines too.

kindest regards

Zabadac (talk) 19:08, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

inappropriate warning
Trafford

I got a threatening warning from User:Bgs022 about my edits.

I am unable to communicate with them, and see no reason why I should be threatened for doing something that is correct.

Is there an independent 'abuse' review system in place ?

kindest regards, Zabadac (talk) 19:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

thanks for the feedback
I appreciate you taking the time for feedback. I've found a way to communicate back to the user who gave me a warning, asking for a review of his/her actions.

I seem to have hit on a nerve with someone, somewhere. Otherwise I wouldn't attract this attention.

My stance is that if you can have one or more links to single specialist commercial sites, including a major magazine or two, then you can have another one, as long as its relevant and useful resource. Clearly someone thought otherwise, and pointed to the guidelines as the authority for the removal of my edits (made in good faith). I am now at a loss to understand what constitutes a valid external link.

So, a detailed review of those guidelines told me that there were in fact a load of other links that supposedly broke the guidelines. So, I cleaned up the entries.

I will take this matter to dispute if I am attacked again without good reason, and any valid edits that I make reverted.

My view is that there are conflicts of interest here, and I will test the impartially of these people. Seems a bit like 'big bother'.

Of course, someone can simply block my account. Who really cares - well, I do because this activity is not in the spirit, or guidelines, of Wikipedia.

Thanks for the advice to tread carefully, but really, who should I be afraid of? This is either a fair process, or not.

It will be interesting to see. I wait for a response to my refuting the warning.

kindest regards

20:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zabadac (talk • contribs)

Goat Star
The award is documented in User:Chzz/Recipients of the Goat Star. I am working to progress William Windsor to Good Article status, so please look in some time. Cheers!  Chzz  ►  22:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Test for Erelyes
Bananas are usually green or yellow or brown. However I could not find any references to verify this. Erelyes (talk) 07:48, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Furthermore, oranges are orange.Erelyes (talk) 07:48, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Great. Nice to chat on WP:IRC just now. So now you're now a fully-fledged poster to other editors' Talk pages!  I'll take another look at your article soon.  Cheers, Trafford09 (talk) 07:53, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Helpme
Ya sure! Thanks Kesangh (talk) 09:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey
Thanks for the help, I'll make the relevant changes. On a lighter note, what did you mean by It's really just a case of your being bold, I am just doing my job. I am not familiar with this live talk feature. Is it really better than typing 'helpme' on the talkpage. Do people prefer to use the live talk feature than the' helpme' thing. Kindly tell me more about this. And how are only a few selected events are mentioned in On this day section out of all the entries, i don't see any difference in the syntax of these selected events in the edit section. Who selects the events which should be displayed on the Main page? By the way, i noticed that you copied some of the text from your own talkpage onto my talkpage :-)

Thanks for your help. Well, i am familiar with the being bold thing. As it was already late, i wanted someone else to add the information on the Main page. If i had asked someone to help me with the procedure of editing the Main page then that would have taken still more time and eventually, it would have been too late. But that's okay, Shivaji's coronation was celebrated yesterday as per the Marathi calendar and today as per the Gregorian calendar. I have added the relevant information to the On this day... section, but my edits are not visible on the Main page. Going through the link you gave me, i understood about the criteria required for listing an event on the Main page, but who's going to really put the particular event(if it deserves so) on the Main page, the admins? How to get an admin to see if the event i am talking about could be included on the Main page? If possible, can you yourself add the relevant information on the Main page. I got to go. Kindly help. Thanks Kesangh (talk) 07:40, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Smile
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Trafford09, Srini  vas G P hani has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! Srini vas G P hani 11:41, 8 June 2009 (UTC) Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Thank you!
Thanks a ton for all the help plus the patience.

A special barnstar as it was my first article, so it deserved something more:)

And i'm sure that article's gonna be mighty happy... We really worked hard on linking it!

Cheers! AceFighter19 (talk) 14:33, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Why, thank you, kind sir. Nice to be appreciated.


 * BTW, when adding a new section onto somebody's talk page, please add it at the bottom of their page, rather than the top. It's just a WP convention - see WP:Talk_page_guidelines.  Plus, this happens automatically if you use the "New Section" or "+" tabs at the top. Thx. again, Trafford09 (talk) 15:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll definitely remember that, thank you. I assumed new messages on top, as to be seen first. N i may be quite younger than you, so "buddy" is fine. Thanks for all the help again... Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by AceFighter19 (talk • contribs) 12:53, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

test1
test2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rakesh Kumar Goyal (talk • contribs) 19:01, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well done, Rakesh. So, as per our chat on IRC, you are now a fully-fledged communicator via Talk pages.  Good start. Trafford09 (talk) 22:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

A query
Why is starting a new page so hard to do?
 * You'll soon get used to it! Trafford09 (talk) 19:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

BQ
I think my grandson might have started me off on a page that he knew was touchy. I will have a talk with him when he gets back. He is a bit of a mischief maker sometimes. From the looks of it this BQ person that controls the page snaps at anyone that comes by. I know someone that will be spending a little more time during his visit on his bicycle instead of this computer. Looks like I have a long Summer ahead. This started off fun, but I think I will avoid the controversy. Thank you for your help. Grandma Dottie (talk) 11:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I have started a section at ANI about this user. It knows way too much for a new user. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 11:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Grandma, contrary to appearances, no one controls or owns any wikipedia page. The user in question has a long history of this type of behavior, so please don't let him turn you off from wikipedia. ThreeE (talk) 15:50, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * User ThreeE, I'm puzzled why you left your above contribution in this section on my talk page. Did you intend to post it onto User_talk:Grandma_Dottie's Talk page? It would seem that your comment is intended for them, not for me.  Trafford09 (talk) 16:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Good point, I reposted on her talk page. ThreeE (talk) 16:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Can you take a look at my test site
How is it looking?

How do I put a picture in the little box on the right at the top? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lepo21 (talk • contribs) 19:57, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

"test message"
test message [from User_Talk:Janc6]

(I've moved this down to the bottom of my talk page, to follow normal WP convention.) Trafford09 (talk) 17:33, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Let's hope so
The comment you left on my page: "Well, let's hope it's not a truly 'final' message. Thx for including the above, for those of us who weren't logging when he wrote it. Trafford09 (talk) 12:08, 17 June 2009 (UTC)" your welcome and I meant the last message he gave (of course besides cya), and thanks for checking the page out, and your welcome for me making the page!--Cubs197 (talk) 16:56, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, also, could you refrain from posting your comments on the actual article and put them on the talk page? Thanks!--Cubs197 (talk) 18:00, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for the suggestion, I think I'll do that!--Cubs197 (talk) 19:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
Cubs197 Cubs197 (talk) 19:50, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

G.phanisrinivas → Srinivas
Hello, Trafford09! This message is to notify that G.phanisrinivas is now known as Srinivas! -- Sri niv  as  09:23, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you. Ok I agree with your modifications. It's cool. I make it live now. Thank again. Cheers, MelindaMelinda

Now adding date, so that this section will get archived. Trafford09 (talk) 22:28, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
Srinivas Sri niv  as  02:24, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
Srinivas Sri niv  as  13:02, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
Srinivas Sri niv  as  13:08, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
G.phanisrinivas

chzz's back, or just a vist
Traffy, chzz is currently back on his channel, wikipedia-en-help, etc.


 * Yes, I'm back - what about you; where have you been? I need your help in #wikipedia-spotlight - see WP:SPOT :-)  Chzz  ►  23:06, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi again chzz. Nice to see you've come back. Hope you enjoyed your well-earned (and fairly brief if sudden) WP:wikibreak.
 * As I said to you on IRC, as for myself, I took a break for a few weeks for Wimbledon [just watching - on TV!], then hols. in wonderful Cornwall.
 * Hesitated to get straight back into WP, because as you know it can become very time- & effort-consuming.

Good news - thanks. I've chatted briefly on IRC. Hope to be spending a bit more time back on WP soon, but will keep popping back to check for any updates, every so often. Hope everybody's enjoying WP & keeping up their good work as ever. Cheers, Trafford09 (talk) 21:55, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Please check my page
I would like to push the John Costigan page I've done on my test section to LIVE status.

Please let me know what I need to do to accomplish this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lepo21 (talk • contribs) 15:34, 17 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Replied fully on user's talk page. Trafford09 (talk) 12:59, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Haven't seen you.
Hey traffy, I haven't seen you around IRC much at all. Just checking in.--Cubs197 (talk) 04:49, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Strange heading ==

Hello,. There is a response from me, below the message you left in the "Strange heading" section of my talk page. --Jerzy•t 22:01, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Just a hi!
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Trafford09, srinivas has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! Srinivas (talk) 09:20, 25 August 2009 (UTC) Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Hey! I haven't seen you for almost a month at. Are you busy right now? Just left this message to inquire that. Thank you, --Srinivas (talk) 09:20, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Commis waiter
A tag has been placed on Commis waiter requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article consists of a dictionary definition or other article that has been transwikied to another project and the author information recorded.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Ray Talk 21:42, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Sicilian Vespers Discussion page
Traf: If you get a chance to look at the Sicilian Vespers talk page, please reply to my comments to rewright and rearrange the article. I really want to include the five points I numbered as it is crutial to understanding why the vespers were a world changing event, not merely a local revolt on the island. In fact, even the very first paragraph is chronologically incorrect according to Runciman and other sources. It does not mention Tancred in the Norman line of sucession after Fredrick II, and then Manfred's fight for the crown. Charles negotiated for the purchase of the crown with Pope Urban for, inter alia, and annual tribute of 10,000 ounces of gold. But Urban died before the deal was written and Charles re-negotiated the deal with Pope Clement, and because Manfred was now hard pressing Rome and other northern Italian Geulf cities, the price was reduced to 8,000 ounces of gold.Siciliano99 (talk) 07:42, 15 September 2009 (UTC)Siciliano99
 * Will have a quick look, though I'm no historian & only visited Sicily once (liked it apart from mosquitoes). Trafford09 (talk) 07:45, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

WP:Wikibreak
Are you here still?Janc6 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:22, 30 October 2009 (UTC).


 * Well - er - yes, but seemingly just sporadically nowadays. But thanks for asking.  I tend to log on lately only if I see something that 'needs' changing.  Hope you and all others are fine - sorry I'm not around to help much lately.  I hope IRC is still going strong. Trafford09 (talk) 15:33, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Quotes and Punc
See WP:MOSQUOTE, "Preserve the original text, spelling, and punctuation." The only exception are around spacing and types of dashes. David Underdown (talk) 08:32, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit Summaries
I am not obligated to supply edit summaries.174.3.123.220 (talk) 11:14, 12 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi. Thanks for talking about the issue. Have you read Edit_summary? Trafford09 (talk) 11:57, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

User:174.3.123.220
I see you're bumping up against the same non-responsive wall that I have several times in the past. There is evidently a good bit of history behind that particular user, with a good compendium of sources here: User_talk:AnmaFinotera/Archive_11. Actually I *have* managed to generate a few responses from him, but they were uniformly argumentative and did about as much to advance the discussion as silence - see my Talk page for a few examples of that. Good luck, and if there's any place you'd like me to weigh in, let me know. JohnInDC (talk) 11:13, 10 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much, as I said, John, for the info.. Trafford09 (talk) 06:24, 11 May 2010 (UTC)


 * He was quiet because he'd changed IPs. Here's a link to my Talk page that will point you in the right direction.  JohnInDC (talk) 13:21, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Welcome back?!
 Chzz  ►  13:25, 20 May 2010 (UTC)


 * P.S. Re. "How is Wikipedia considered, externally?" - two interesting ones for you;


 * Re. Spam - http://rushprnews.com/2010/03/31/pr-consultants-should-think-twice-before-using-wikipedia-to-promote-clients


 * Re. BLPs - http://onwikipedia.blogspot.com/2010/03/dr-handel-or-how-i-learned-to-stop.html (which lead to some changes)


 *  Chzz  ►  13:29, 20 May 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅ Trafford09 (talk) 12:09, 30 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Chzz (as ever). Will follow the above. Trafford09 (talk) 13:35, 20 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Yw; the 2nd is a bit long, but worth reading, when you have some time and a nice cup of tea. It lead to masses of on-wiki DRAMA and all sorts. Partly, WP:BLPPROD. Anyway - pop in matey! - nobody else seems to know about 'soccer' (eek)  Chzz  ►  13:38, 20 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure. Seeya on irc ere long. Trafford09 (talk) 13:49, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Answered, User talk:chzz  Chzz  ►  20:10, 23 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I see you're online; pop in to IRC if you have a sec? Cheers,  Chzz  ►  22:58, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Jill Tarter
Hello Trafford09

Thanks for the info.

Im aware that Jill has her own page but i look up to her in her field. Thats why my user page has that.

Thank YouJonstewartwiki (talk) 19:46, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Jon. That's fine, then - just wanted to make sure you knew she had a page. Glad you knew, and thanks for your reply.
 * Have fun editing, & if I can ever be of any assistance, please do drop me a line. Regards, Trafford09 (talk) 21:00, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

My test section
test: go (game).

About time I gave this a date, so it gets archived! Trafford09 (talk) 14:37, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

AFC
WP:AFC needs help.

We are moving 70-odd articles that were tagged as into the AFC process, and we need help to process them.

If you are not familiar with how to review AFCs, please join #wikipedia-en-afc and get help there from experienced AFCers. Please do help; even if you just review one or two - try to fix; make live, or say why not, etc etc.

Greatly appreciated. <span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkUser:Chzz| Chzz ]] ►  22:46, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, thanks for the invitation, but I don't think I'll have much time to devote to the AFC area - sorry.
 * I find I need to limit my time to my Watchlist, and doing c-e on any page I read.
 * That and welcoming new users / chastising miscreants seems to take up my time.
 * Actually, if I had more time, I'd work on an article of my own - but haven't got to that stage yet.
 * Can't match your phenomenal work-rate, I'm afraid, but hats off to you for your labour of love. Trafford09 (talk) 14:43, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, no trouble at all, my friend - just worth an ask; as you know, from time-to-time, I help with certain issues, and occasionally ask for help. If you do have 10 mins to do one AFC, that'd be lovely; if you don't, not a problem.


 * I know just what you mean, because I myself am often swamped; I have an enormous to-do list, and indeed many articles that I've been wanting to create for simply ages.


 * Re. welcoming new users - I might just be able to help you speed that up a little bit; have a stare at user:chzz/logw - I can produce an updated list like that any time, which *only* shows users with contribs - hence w/ popups it's pretty quick to look at their contribs, and to right-click to use my 'welcome' or to welcome them AND tell them about refs; of course, that is just my way of doing it - but could be adapted, whatever. I find it makes the 'welcoming' a little easier to do. Although, I don't have the chance to do it myself as often as I would like.


 * Please do pop in and chat, whenever; these American chaps don't understand football, and I could always do with someone to yell at about Japanese forwards, sympathise over blind refs who eat all pies, and suchlike. Only a few days to go now, hurrah!   Chzz  ►  14:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * P.S. I did just update that listing, with some current data - so if you do want to play with it and welcome some of them, go for it. Mata ne.  Chzz  ►  15:07, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes - 11 June to 11 July - can't wait. Like to think we may win our group (sorry to our friends across the pond - maybe they can take second place?).
 * Wouldn't relish playing Brazil or Spain.


 * LUHG - let's keep the green & gold flags flying.


 * Oh - forgot to say ta for the tea you poured me. Ta.


 * Will check /logw. I know I used your technique in the past, but it's so easy using TW, with bespoke welcomes for all sorts of suspected animals: IP, good, bad, anti-vandal, etc. etc..
 * Now, here's one for you (with your skills!). How's about adding in an IRC welcome skeleton into TW's repertoire?
 * If you do that - if only for me - I'd be an avid IRC-inviter.


 * Will visit IRC ere long (& ask you re smoking!).


 * Re welcoming - you do well to delegate that - your skills are best used elsewhere for bigger stuff.
 * ttfn Matta ne Trafford09 (talk) 15:16, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Ta for fixtures. I'll prob be twitfeeding the cup news in my IRC, and possibly live commentary during games


 * Re. Twinkle - sure, could do; how about a modified version of my welcome user:chzz/w?


 * For 'just you' - ask - he knows how to add bespoke setting bits to Twinkle, as they have done so for me - I log all my PROD and CSD to user:Chzz/PRODlog and User:Chzz/CSDlog - using a modification Tim wrote, User:Tim Song/afchelper4.js - the only complication being, you have to then install Twinkle the 'long way', in your monobook, rather than gadget. (Erm, unless you are using Vector...in which case, seek phych help, it's awful).


 * For anyone - put in a request with the Twinkle maintainers.


 * Anyway - I'm off to fight t3h evil ones, so Sarabaja :)  Chzz  ►  15:43, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Gambatte. Trafford09 (talk) 15:55, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Gambaru yo. Benitez just quit; lawks. (/me can't help thinking that IRC is better for this :p)  Chzz  ►  16:10, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Gah; now there is an article that needs fixing;  etc.   Chzz  ►  16:55, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Community ban discussion for User:100110100
This is an FYI to let you know that the discussion has been moved. WP:AN is the more appropriate location for ban discussions, so the discussion can now be found here. - TexasAndroid (talk) 13:56, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Collapsing

 * Thanks - will incorporate that, too. Tables aren't too bad, then! Trafford09 (talk) 11:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Mmm. I use the 'collapse' for my 'notes' at top of my user talk page, which I find particularly useful; I also have a little extra button at top (next to logout/clock) to let me swiftly edit user:chzz/note - that is, the page transcluded in the collapsed box at top of my user page. That is quite easy to do too; I don't want to confuse, but, it's actually much easier than in sounds. Just a few lines in my monobook.js;

Chzznote = { ChzznoteGet: function { Chzznote.ChzzNode = addPortletLink( 'p-personal', "http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Chzz/note&action=edit", 'Note', 'Note', 'Make a note', '' ); Chzznote.ChzzNode.style.fontSize = 'normal'; }, } addOnloadHook( function {		Chzznote.ChzznoteGet;

} );


 * Of course, you'd change the URL to point to your own page. Nifty stuff. (Assuming you are using monobook; I've ni if it works same in Vector).


 * Also: If you feel like it, it would be ace to actually document some of this stuff; maybe the reply I wrote to you earlier on my talk, plus bits of this stuff, but a bit clearer, should go into user:chzz/help? Do you think? (And of course feel free to boldly just do it, if you like; I often find the best way to really learn something is to try explaining it to others!)  Chzz  ►  11:47, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Point taken - I do intend to document some of this very useful advice, into user:chzz/help.
 * I'm starting by familiarising myself with your Help subpages, so that I end up putting things in the right place.
 * If I find anything, along the way, that I feel I can further improve, I'll be bold.
 * I expect you have your subpages on your watchlist, so you'll spot any changes by me or others.
 * Thanks again, Trafford09 (talk) 10:26, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


 * That'd be great, if you could do that. I do watchlist my own pages, but I'm lax at checking them - too many other things to do. But please do boldly help make them better.


 * The answers I gave, now in User talk:Chzz/Archive 23, might well be useful to others - feel free to make a page about it, and if you think it's best under my help folder, go for it - and perhaps the stuff from above too. In fact, there's probably tons of things in my talk page archives that ought to be in some kind of 'help' heirarchy; if you fancy working on that, it'd be very worthwhile - I honstly would/will do it myself, one day...but as usual - well, I'm working on reforming WP:FEED and WP:AFC, the help channel, writing a new stalk bot, working on strategy re. RfA, and a zillion other things - which is also why I posted the request below; I do as much as I can, but can't do everything, so I hope you won't mind my occasionally passing things like that over. Also, I love WP:TPS'ers :-)

Best,  Chzz  ►  18:38, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

AllisonShapira
Hi there, my friend.

, fairly new to Wikipedia, created Energy Policy of the Obama Administration and asked for feedback - they received a little help, but, I wondered if you might have the time to help guide them a little further?

Please see User talk:AllisonShapira. Many thanks in anticipation.  Chzz  ►  18:32, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Vert align
 Chzz  ► 00:56, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Still about?
'coz Aleenf1 is asking after you, so if you are, pop in again.  Chzz  ► 12:40, 11 June 2010 (UTC)


 * And online again, actually, now.


 * So - England kick off at 1930 against the USA. No doubt Yanks will turn up at 1941 and claim a victory. :p  Chzz  ► 15:17, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Ho-ho - like that. Didn't like the goal we gifted them, quite so much! Ah well, a draw v USA's not too bad a result. So, next Fri. 3pm 7:30 pm UK time - fingers crossed. Trafford09 (talk) 22:51, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You know where I will be.

 Chzz  ► 02:30, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Good title for topic. Must point out my earlier mistake re Friday's match - of course it's at 7:30 pm UK time. Now off to look up what  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag - if no such tag exists then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hangon tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Codf1977 (talk) 15:14, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm - I've no wp:COI with the person (nor any associated body) to whom the article relates. Never corresponded with him nor spoken to him. However, I feel he is notable, & will seek to persuade other editors of this, on the article's the talk page. Trafford09 (talk)

Alan Riley
Would you be happy for me to move the article to a user page of yours (for example User:Trafford09/Alan Riley - that way you could work on it before moving it back ? Codf1977 (talk) 15:53, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks Codf, that would be great. I'm very new to article creation etc., & I have no wp:COI in the person - just think he's notable. If you move it for me, I guess then I could try to de-advert it, & get more wp:RS. I_do_ wish I'd used my sandbox in the first place! At a wild guess, do you suspect it may pass muster after I've worked on it & 'resubmit' it? I'd be very grateful for any tips you could send my way (& of course, if you can de-advert it, that would also be much appreciated).
 * Regards, Trafford09 (talk) 16:04, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I have moved it for you to User:Trafford09/Alan Riley - let me know if you need any help moving it back when you have worked on it. Codf1977 (talk) 16:13, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. Yes, if it's ok with you, I'll consult you after my further edits & wp:RS, before trying to reinstate it.
 * A bit of collaboration never did any harm! Feel free to de-advert it too, should you have time & inclination. Ta, Trafford09 (talk) 16:17, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Always best to work in user-space if you aren't really sure, Trafford. You could also use WP:AFC to get it re-checked, and get feedback. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 16:36, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes Chzz, I came to realise that, whilst in the middle of my initial edits. Guess I should have stopped then, & transferred it to my space. Big lesson learnt. Trafford09 (talk) 16:41, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

External links section of ResPublica
Please have a read of the following pages :

and
 * External links
 * MOS

Just because a paper, blog or news site mentions ResPublica, it does not mean that it should go into the External links section of the article, if you wish to have them listed to demonstrate the notability then add them to the Talk page. Codf1977 (talk) 12:40, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Curvilinear Disparity
Thanks for your feedback and offer to help with the curvilinear disparity article. As it is a relatively specialised topic, it has been tricky to find suitable articles to link from so your help in this regard would be greatly appreciated. I think the Tea Party movement in the US is a good contemporary example of curvilinear disparity. Some candidates (such as Rand Paul) who were not favoured by the Republican Party, have been selected in primaries nevertheless, largely as a result of tea party activists. This might be good additional example to make the article more relevant to an American audience. Thanks again. Eoinjones (talk) 12:11, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Just to let you know I have now added the Tea Party example to the article. If you get a chance to glance at it some time I would appreciate your feedback. Good luck against Slovenia in the final group game. My nation is unfortunately unrepresented due to a handball by Thierry Henry ;) Eoinjones (talk) 20:16, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of ResPublica
I have nominated ResPublica, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/ResPublica. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Codf1977 (talk) 13:10, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

PIA
Its not about which article is popular its about listing it in alphabetical order.119.155.43.30 (talk) 10:41, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Hiya. Thanks for starting discussion about this. As the discussion affects any reader of the PIA page, I've copied your comment to the PIA article's Talk:PIA page, and I'll reply to you there shortly, so that other editors can also participate in the discussion.
 * Thanks & regards, --Trafford09 (talk) 12:23, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Archives
I'm pretty sure you already know by now, but...I move things to my archives quite quick. So if you didn't catch my reply, it's in User_talk:Chzz/Archive_23. I hope you don't think I'm dismissing things if I move them, it's just that my talk page gets so busy...but I am always v happy to answer things. Just...if the reply disappears, you know where it will be - just search my archive on your name. Looking forward to the big game later! Cheers,  Chzz  ► 05:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah - your suspicion was correct - I hadn't spotted your latest reply there. Have now read it. So, always use, check their 'press+media' for RS, read wp:NONFREE & see /yourboilerplate. Gotcha. (T-7hrs!) Arigatou. --Trafford09 (talk) 09:38, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


 * BTW, your archive has 2 tb templates in big blue - would you have seen them?
 * Also, ur Talk page refers to User_talk:Jimbo_Wales, which may not be the link now most applicable? --Trafford09 (talk) 09:52, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm - wouldn't your Pirates graph be better on the right, so the Contents is as usu. on the left?
 * But it fills in white space - guess that's good.
 * Also, pray tell, give me a clue re the Pirates' significance. --Trafford09 (talk) 10:01, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


 * What does Ref. Chzz/1159711711597103101 mean? --Trafford09 (talk) 10:08, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Re. 'talkback' in archive - yes, I often put them direct in there. There's more than 2, actually. The trouble with 'tlp' or whatever is, you then use the link to the section, if there's one specified. Someone should improve the template, I imagine, to have some 'done' parameter or something. But yes - I have indeed seen them. Usually, when I archive them, I add a note to say what happened - in that case though, I was a bit lax.


 * For Esuzu, see User_talk:Esuzu - I think that one has been sorted out. I added a note in the archive.


 * I dealt with on their talk; same with


 * For the UAA one on my talk, see UAA end of here. Hard to keep up with UAA archival, but I have followed up - 1 2


 * So - I think you can mostly assume if something is on my talk or archive that I've seen it. Thanks for asking about those though - I try to remember to check things, but I do really appreciate when people like yourself, and other TPS, look in to things / check on them / respond. All help is greatly appreciated.


 * Re. Mr. Wales - sadly, the same cannot be said for his talk page. So re. your comment about that link...yes, it was archived, with no response or comment. Great pity. Link now User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 60. It's disappointing that I've now posted that in two places - AFC talk and Mr. Wales page (which followed my talking to him about new users, and the difficulties they face). I will definitely follow up on that - not quite sure how or where, yet. The system really does need considerable improvement.


 * Re. pirates / header - if you can improve it, go ahead. User:Chzz/talkheader3 is the first bit. If you can shuffle the pirate graph though, please do. The reference to the ratio of pirates/global warming is a Flying Spaghetti Monster thing, and should be of great concern to us all. Remember to show your support on Sept. 19th. I do like to sneak in FSM refs sometimes - see here.


 * Re. Ref. Chzz/1159711711597103101 - mostly, it is a 'unique string' which makes it easier for me when asking OTRS people to locate emails that use my own boilerplate, by searching for it. Hmm, how are your cryptography skillz? Are you familiar with ASCII code ? Have a think, before using the hints...  Chzz  ► 20:27, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Try holding down the 'ALT' key, and whilst holding it, press '1', then '1', then '5' on the numeric keypad, then release ALT.

"115" is the decimal representation of the ASCII code for "s". "97" is "a". "117" is "u". etc.