User talk:Transatracurium/Sandbox/Central A-class proposal

TCO comment
I think part of the problem with FAC is you have one person (very influential) who makes a rote comment "FAC is not peer review". This is sort of argument by words and labels rather than real points and ideas (especially consideration of alternate to status quo structures). And it doesn't even make sense except in the Wiki definition of peer review, which is brushup prior to submission.

My experience with content work is that it is quite normal, even for very good submissions to have substantial review and change. So, for instance the long review for Manhattan Project was really fine. The thing was not a piece of meat when it got there. Really it needed to have engagement...and FAC was probably the right place (for one thing, people are not going to magically populate "Peer review" or the like) and some of the heavy hitters really prefer to engage at FAC. Also, there is no real reason why FAC could not have pages with sections and templates, get rid of the all on one page thingie, subdivide the work amongst delegates etc. If FAC is only a voting enterprise, than you'll only tend to promote very cookie cutter articles on low interest topics and avoid the real gains that come from wrestling with the pieces more.

Other than that, not much insight to give you. Personally I think alternate approaches are good and should be tried. The whole control mentatility is bad and ominous, but is unfortunately very core to how Wiki functions (the edit war mentality permeating through, the policy writing battles, the moderatorship, etc.) I have low energy for working on this (a lot of "those people" are very dead to me...don't think they are brave or true), so please do not expect an ally. I really have a dim outlook for Wiki overall. That said, we should not be too sad, as there are books getting written every year, magazines publishing, blogs running around. Lots of stuff happening in the real world.

And kudos for putting your thoughts down to advance them. Writing things down helps the logic process.

TCO (talk) 19:40, 6 February 2012 (UTC)