User talk:Transmaniaconmc

30 Trips Around the Sun
Greetings, Transmaniaconmc, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thanks for your recent edits to 30 Trips Around the Sun. I've taken the track listings that you added, moved them to a separate section, and reformatted them. I don't have a copy of the box set myself, unfortunately, so I'm using this as a reference. If you want to learn more about how to edit Wikipedia, I recommend that you look at the Tutorial, it's a really good overview. And if you have any questions, I might be able to answer them. (If you reply here, I will see what you say.) — Mudwater (Talk) 16:12, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for cleaning it up! I did not know how to add as you did but will try to do so now with another show. I also hope to update the section on shows released by recording date, but first things first.


 * Sounds good! "P.S." You can sign and date your talk page posts by putting four tildes (i.e.  ) at the end.  — Mudwater (Talk) 17:53, 22 November 2015 (UTC)


 * The set lists you've added look really good. I've made only minor adjustments.  Keep up the good work.  — Mudwater (Talk) 21:11, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Transmaniaconmc. Thanks for adding those many track listings, and for your other updates to the article. Now that the track listings include all the concerts, I've started to work on updating them to include songwriting credits and links. Feel free to join in the fun if you're so inclined. The idea is to follow the usual pattern for such things in Wikipedia album articles: You can see that this pattern is followed in most album articles. To see an example with a really long track listing, like the one in this article, check out Europe '72: The Complete Recordings. Also, feel free to look through the Album Article Style Guide, at MOS:ALBUM. (Like they say in Pirates of the Caribbean, that's "more what you'd call guidelines than actual rules.")  — Mudwater (Talk) 00:28, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The first time a songwriter appears in the track listing, spell out their complete name. Whenever they appear after that, just give their last name.  Also, if there's a Wikipedia article about the songwriter, link their name to the article only the first time they appear.
 * Similarly, if there's a Wikipedia article about the song, link the song to the article only the first time the song appears in the track listing.


 * can you check my edit for

November 10, 1967 – Shrine Auditorium Disc 2 - I can't get rid of the extra dot next to Cryptical Envelopment 1 Thank you! I'll keep working on getting the rest of the song credits updated.Transmaniaconmc (talk)


 * Okay, I fixed that. Also, thanks for your continued work on the track listing for the box set, it's appreciated.  By the way, here are a few more points about the standardized track listing format for Wikipedia album articles.  Feel free to follow these guidelines -- or you can ignore these points if you want, that's fine, I or someone else can apply them later -- they're not a big deal anyway.
 * For the songwriting credits, separate the names with commas instead of slashes:  instead of
 * Precede the track timings with a space, an en dash, and a space, like this:   The minor complication is that en dash is a special character that's different from the hyphen on a U.S. keyboard.  The way I put them in is by clicking the en dash button under the text editing box -- it's the one just to the right of the Insert drop-down.  Alternatively you can copy and paste it from somewhere else.
 * Anyway, thanks again, and let me know if you have any other requests or questions. — Mudwater (Talk) 00:19, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

That special character seems like an extra step that may not be necessary, but if that's how we do it okay. Personally I think it looks better without the dash. I do have the box set, so just trying to get more detil out for everyone. Will add some more today.Transmaniaconmc (talk)
 * I added the rest of the song lengths. I found one or two song credit inconsistencies I did not change, for example the CD lists Kreutzmann as co-author on The Wheel and Mydland on Hell in A Bucket (maybe I don't know my dead as well as I think I do). If one wanted to add show detail from some the CDs themselves, where would I enter it? Under the specific show?Transmaniaconmc (talk)


 * (1) Thanks for adding the rest of the track timings. That's excellent.  (2) Good catch on "The Wheel" being written by Garcia, Kreutzmann, and Hunter.  I'd be very interested to hear what else the CD says that's different from the article, so please let me know.  Or if you prefer you can just go ahead and change the article, it should really reflect what the CD says, barring any weird situations.  (3) As far as show details from the CDs, what sort of details did you have in mind?  Since this album has so freakishly many CDs, it would most likely make sense to add the info under the specific show, but it could depend on exactly what you have in mind.  Again, please either reply here, or maybe just try updating one or two in the article and we could see how it looks. — Mudwater (Talk) 00:12, 8 December 2015 (UTC)


 * "P.S." You might know this already, but we shouldn't just copy text wholesale from the album liner notes, because that would be a copyright violation. Any write-up about an individual concert can be based on the liner notes but should be paraphrased in your own words. — Mudwater (Talk) 12:02, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I will try and update an interesting fact or two from Dave's liner notes that he wrote for each CD, but there may not be something for each show. The box is so massive, to be frank, I have only started to really get into it with good in depth listens. I will make certain I don't copy word for word and I assume I cite the CD itself?Transmaniaconmc (talk)


 * (1) The additional notes for the first two shows look really good. More of those would be nice, as long as you don't copy the liner notes verbatim.  I rephrased the first one to say that the info is from the liner notes, and left that out of the second one.  That should be sufficient for attribution, I think.  (2) I've reformatting the track listing info to minimize italics, which are now only used for the set breaks, and to use bullet points for the additional info (band members, recording engineer, notes).  I think that looks better and is more in accordance with other Wikipedia album articles.  (3) If you happen to notice any songwriting credits that are different in the liner notes and the article, feel free to go ahead and update the article.  It should probably just reflect whatever the liner notes say.  Thanks! — Mudwater (Talk) 13:04, 12 December 2015 (UTC)