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NOMIS2011
Thank you for the message about the template. I was investigating a reference to Melton when I noticed the web citation without a link. I then found the nomis site that had the statistic used. I do not plan on editing articles were I could use the template. I naturally check references since so many are dead and others often do not have the information cited.

A critique: 1. Personally, I do not like citations where the author is not a person, I know it is acceptable. 2. Wouldn't "Office for National Statistics" be a more appropriate author? "UK Census 2011" should be part of the title. 3. I do not know the report was published in 2011. 4. Shouldn't University of Durham be mentioned? possibly using "via=". These are all comments for your consideration. I appreciate the attempt to use templates for simplification and consistency.

P.S. I reside in the U.S. and am tired of being logged out in a middle of an edit.User-duck (talk) 02:31, 10 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the feedback, you raise some interesting points. This template is based on others and we had to balance the need to clearly identify the source of the data, produce a succinct cite, and make various features function within the available expertise. As my talk page is a very quiet corner of Wikipedia, the best place to raise these questions is the talk page of the template. Regarding "tired of being logged out in a middle of an edit", try a different browser perhaps? TiB  chat  13:32, 10 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I came across this on an article on my watchlist, I like it a lot and have put it to use on a couple of articles. Thank you. J3Mrs (talk) 15:29, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, rolling the template out is proving to be quite an arduous task and has distracted me a little from that Hapton Valley article I promised. We do have one issue you might be able to help with? This template inherited a minor issue with sfn cites from NHLE that we copied from. It sees "UK Census" and the ID as two authors. However I've not found an article that sfn cites are required with census data. I know you like a quality article, I don't suppose you are aware of any? TiB chat  18:51, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I am the last person who would be able to help with that. What I like is that it is easy for me to use. I've no doubt the colliery article will be started eventually, I 'll start looking when I'm feeling better. J3Mrs (talk) 09:17, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Collieries

 * sorry to hear that you've been feeling unwell, I had that Australian Flu over Christmas and I've only recently got back to feeling normal! I haven't forgotten about the article. I have already expanded the Hapton article, and have been working on a Hameldon Hill article when I've had time. Yesterday I thought why not start another project? So I now have the beginings of a Hapton Valley article also. I think I've found a decent crop of sources but I would be grateful if you could get involved. I'm currently trying to make sense of the geology and I expect you already could write more about the accident? There may even be enough for a Burnley Coalfield article if you would prefer that? TiB chat  19:46, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I've not been well for a couple of weeks and am not improving much. I think I could start a brief overview of the coalfield. Don't expect much, I'm not up to concentrating. I usually work offline since after some idiot caused a great nuisance when I used to work in my sandbox. J3Mrs (talk) 10:58, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Made a couple of starts but Burnley isn't well-represented in my books. It won't be anytime soon but I might be able to visit the mining museum library at some point to see what they have. I seem to remember there wasn't so much about Lancashire as there was about Yorkshire. J3Mrs (talk) 20:57, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Great (and speedy) work thus far! My article is slowly coming along and I hope to move it to the article space this weekend. With Burnley Coalfield, Bank Hall and Hapton Valley we've gone from virtually zero coverage on coal mining in the Burnley area to a decent insight and great basis for future expansion. I'm going to try to hunt down some old images that would be suitable for these articles. I almost bumped into Jack Nadin at the library last year, maybe I'll try to track him down. All the best. TiB chat  10:10, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I still can't think straight but odd things like coordinates pop into my head. Images would be great. Need to link the pits into the Burnley article too. I will expand the collieries list in the coalfield article as some won't have enough info for stand alone articles. It's quite amazing how most evidence of mining has completely disappeared in such a short time so it's important that there is a record. J3Mrs (talk) 09:05, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry you're still not 100%, you are giving me flash-backs to my January. I went for a wander in the vicinity of Hapton Valley yesterday although I didn't get close enough to see much in the way of remains, I did get a few nice photos of mine-water (I presume) pollution at the start of Green Brook, Lancashire. Regarding the article, are you aware of a source that would explain what a stable and a waste pack are in this context? I have a sense from the explosion report, but it isn't clear. TiB chat  12:52, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * From here the first is a new one to me but the second is familiar. Does this make sense?
 * Stable, an area forming a buttock cut in advance at each end of a longwall face to allow certain types of conveyor mounted cutting machines to enter prior to commencing their next run.
 * Pack, a form of permanent roof support in mines consisting of mine debris surrounded by vertical dry stone walls completed tightly to the roof. Often packs are built in continuous strips, a system which is called "strip packing”. The packs are usually 3 to 6 yards wide and extend from the face props back into the waste. They are often spaced 5 to 15 yards apart along the face. The rocks of the roof between the packs and behind the temporary supports are allowed to collapse. J3Mrs (talk) 18:29, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. I didn't use it as a source because it seems a little self-published, but it is a very useful site to better understand the terminology. I think I got to a pretty happy place with the Hapton Valley article and I've released it into the wild. I would be grateful if you could cast your more experienced eye over it. Cheers TiB  chat  19:24, 29 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I like it. I've copyedited it but please change anything and everything you don't agree with. You do like to use with instead of and so they've all gone along with the howevers. I'll continue with the coalfield but we have a busy Bank Holiday ahead. J3Mrs (talk) 08:38, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

WikiCup 2018 May newsletter
The second round of the 2018 WikiCup has now finished. Most contestants who advanced to the next round scored upwards of 100 points, but two with just 10 points managed to scrape through into round 3. Our top scorers in the last round were:


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WikiCup 2018 July newsletter
The third round of the 2018 WikiCup has now come to an end. The 16 users who made it to the fourth round had at least 227 points. Our top scorers in round 3 were:


 * Courcelles, a first time contestant, with 1756 points, a tally built largely on 27 GAs related to the Olympics
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WikiCup 2018 September newsletter
The fourth round of the 2018 WikiCup has now come to an end. The eight users who made it to the final round had to score a minimum of 422 points to qualify, with the top score in the round being 4869 points. The leaders in round 4 were:


 * Courcelles scored a magnificent 4869 points, with 92 good articles on Olympics-related themes. Courcelles' bonus points alone exceeded the total score of any of the other contestants!
 * Kees08 was second with 1155 points, including a high-scoring featured article for Neil Armstrong, two good topics and some Olympics-related good articles.
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WikiCup 2018 November newsletter
The WikiCup is over for another year! Our Champion this year is, who over the course of the competition has amassed 147 GAs, 111 GARs, 9 DYKs, 4 FLs and 1 ITN. Our finalists were as follows:



All those who reached the final win awards, and awards will also be going to the following participants:


 * wins the FA prize, for three featured articles in round 2.
 * wins the GA prize, for 92 good articles in round 3.
 * wins the FL prize, for five featured lists overall.
 * wins the topic prize, for 30 articles in good topics overall.
 * wins the DYK prize, for 24 did you know articles in round 3.
 * wins the ITN prize, for 17 in the news articles overall.
 * wins the GAR prize, for 43 good article reviews in round 1.

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