User talk:Trappedinburnley/Archives/2021

Welcome to the 2021 WikiCup!
Happy New Year and Happy New WikiCup! The competition begins today and all article creators, expanders, improvers and reviewers are welcome to take part. If you have already signed up, your submissions page can be found here. If you have not yet signed up, you can add your name here and the judges will set up your submissions page. Any questions on the rules or on anything else should be directed to one of the judges, or posted to the WikiCup talk page. Signups will close at the end of January, and the first round will end on 26 February; the 64 highest scorers at that time will move on to round 2. We thank Vanamonde93 and Godot13, who have retired as judges, and we thank them for their past dedication. The judges for the WikiCup this year are and. Good luck! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:11, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Bryn Rigby
My revision about how the list won’t include local legends like bryn Rigby keeps getting removed by you and I’d like to know why Rebelraggar (talk) 20:19, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

WikiCup 2021 March newsletter
Round 1 of the competition has finished; it was a high-scoring round with 21 contestants scoring more than 100 points. Everyone with a positive score moves on to Round 2, with 55 contestants qualifying. You will need to finish among the top thirty-two contestants in Round 2 if you are to qualify for Round 3. Our top scorers in Round 1 were:


 * Epicgenius led the field with a featured article, nine good articles and an assortment of other submissions, specialising on buildings and locations in New York, for a total of 945 points.
 * Bloom6132 was close behind with 896 points, largely gained from 71 "In the news" items, mostly recent deaths.
 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 ImaginesTigers, who has been editing Wikipedia for less than a year, was in third place with 711 points, much helped by bringing League of Legends to featured article status, exemplifying how bonus points can boost a contestant's score.
 * 🇷🇼 Amakuru came next with 708 points, Kigali being another featured article that scored maximum bonus points.
 * Flag of the United Nations.svg Ktin, new to the WikiCup, was in fifth place with 523 points, garnered from 15 DYKs and 34 "In the news" items.
 * 🇧🇼 The Rambling Man scored 511 points, many from featured article candidate reviews and from football related DYKs.
 * Standard of Oliver Cromwell (1653–1659).svg Gog the Mild, last year's runner-up, came next with 498 points, from a featured article and numerous featured article candidate reviews.
 * Bennington Flag.svg Hog Farm, at 452, scored for a featured article, four good articles and a number of reviews.
 * 🇺🇸 Le Panini, another newcomer to the WikiCup, scored 438 for a featured article and three good articles.
 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski, last year's champion, scored 332 points, from a featured article and various other sport-related topics.

These contestants, like all the others, now have to start again from scratch. In Round 1, contestants achieved eight featured articles, three featured lists and one featured picture, as well as around two hundred DYKs and twenty-seven ITNs. They completed 97 good article reviews, nearly double the 52 good articles they claimed. Contestants also claimed for 135 featured article and featured list candidate reviews. There is no longer a requirement to mention your WikiCup participation when undertaking these reviews.

Remember that any content promoted after the end of Round 1 but before the start of Round 2 can be claimed in Round 2. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is a good article candidate, a featured process, or something else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews.

If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Sturmvogel 66 (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk). MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:27, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Mary Mckenzie
Hello. Pleased I drew attention to it now, as I don't know what converting it to " Cite News" is, but at least, unlike before, it now works. Regards. 79.73.43.190 (talk) 22:23, 4 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Using the cite news template to create the reference simply made the archive link the more prominent of the two. This article was one of the first that I wrote, over 10 years ago, before I was aware of such things. It is fair to say that you have contributed to improving this article. Thanks for your interest. TiB chat  23:19, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Brunanburh and Bromborough
Thank you for your encouraging words - and my apologies for the editing error, I was not aware of the protocol, but no problems from now on. As soon as the article is published I will edit with a link.

1066Thinker (talk) 12:57, 6 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia's policies are numerous and complex, and the nature of the project means that enforcement varies greatly from one article to the next. The quality of your contribution was quite good for a newcomer, and if Battle of Brunanburh was not up at GA standard I expect nobody would have complained. When the time comes, I'd recommend incorporating it into the content of note b, rather than the main prose. All the best. TiB  chat  14:07, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * After almost 11 years and 8,500 edits, this is the first time I actually received a barnstar! Maybe avoiding the popular articles was my mistake? Really the credit is all yours, I just helped out a little. Thanks! TiB  chat  13:38, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem! Thank you very much for the kind words (on my talk page) and thanks again for your work, the photos and making it a comprehensive part. As a Burnley fan, I just want the articles to be of decent quality and do well, so they can give a good overview of the club (and the town). There is even a chance the Burnley F.C. article will feature on the front page on 18 May (I've requested a TFA so we'll see how that goes...). I also enjoyed the collab, and maybe we'll meet each other again at a similar article. Best, WA8MTWAYC (talk) 18:13, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Request for input
Hi TiB...I wanted to ask you to input on a recent AfD as I know you complied a list of BUA that should be kept merged or left. I wanted to ask you to input on the Alfreton/South Normanton Built-up area deletion entry and link our entire discussion on BUA's for the nominator for deletion to see. Appreciate your time. RailwayJG (talk) 20:35, 17 April 2021 (UTC)


 * As to my involvement in that discussion, I afraid you have confused me with Eopsid, who I can see has already found their way to the deletion discussion. I'm also afraid that as it stands my vote would have to be for delete and I hate to see people's hard work end up that way, so I shall refrain from involving myself. There are two major problems: you can't base an article on a single source, regardless of how reliable the source is. You have appear have two refs, but the second is an error, and three is the magic number. Also if a Google search returns no reliable hits for the name chosen, either it has the wrong name or should not have an article. To save it (if possible) will likely require modification of the article. I expect you noticed that I've done so with Burnley Built-up area. The addition of sources should be enough to stop it getting deleted, but the name is still a problem. I can't really think of a better choice, and I expect that when the 2021 census results become available the built-up areas concept will remain. Hopefully the term will increasingly be used and the problem will go away. In the case of Alfreton it would appear that the "Alfreton urban area" of previous censuses is similar . This source that I used, has a very small mention of Alfreton and could used at a push. Working these sources into your article and/or finding others will put it in a much stronger position, and can be done while the discussion is ongoing. I hope this is helpful. TiB  chat  12:25, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Invitation to contribute and debate
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_geography#Merge_or_deletion_of_the_Sheffield_Urban_Area_and_West_Yorkshire_Urban_Area RailwayJG (talk) 18:21, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

WikiCup 2021 May newsletter
The second round of the 2021 WikiCup has now finished; it was a high-scoring round and contestants needed 61 points to advance to Round 3. There were some impressive efforts in the round, with the top eight contestants all scoring more than 400 points. A large number of the points came from the 12 featured articles and the 110 good articles achieved in total by contestants, as well as the 216 good article reviews they performed; the GAN backlog drive and the stay-at-home imperative during the COVID-19 pandemic may have been partially responsible for these impressive figures.

Our top scorers in Round 2 were:


 * 🇧🇼 The Rambling Man, with 2963 points from three featured articles, 20 featured article reviews, 37 good articles, 73 good article reviews, as well as 22 DYKs.
 * Epicgenius, with 1718 points from one featured article, 29 good articles, 16 DYKs and plenty of bonus points.
 * Bloom6132, with 990 points from 13 DYKs and 64 "In the news" items, mostly recent deaths.
 * Bennington Flag.svg Hog Farm, with 834 points from two featured articles, five good articles, 14 featured article reviews and 15 good article reviews.
 * Standard of Oliver Cromwell (1653–1659).svg Gog the Mild, with 524 points from two featured articles and four featured article reviews.
 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski, with 501 points from one featured article, three good articles, six featured article reviews and 25 good article reviews.
 * Transgender Pride flag.svg Sammi Brie, with 485 points from four good articles, eight good article reviews and 27 DYKs, on US radio and television stations.
 * Flag of the United Nations.svg Ktin, with 436 points from four good articles, seven DYKs and 11 "In the news" items.

Please remember that DYKs cannot be claimed until they have appeared on the main page. As we enter the third round, any content promoted after the end of Round 2 but before the start of Round 3 can be claimed now, and anything you forgot to claim in Round 2 cannot! Remember too, that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them (except for at the end of each round, when you must claim them before the cut-off date/time). When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article nominations, a featured process, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Judges: Sturmvogel 66 (talk) and Cwmhiraeth MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:28, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * Thanks for noticing! I imagine some of those large negative red numbers in your watchlist stood-out somewhat. The efficiency of NOMIS2011 makes it a great template, if I do say so myself. The recent census made me think that it is a good time to push this, so hopefully people will come looking for the 2021 version when the data gets published. I must be over half-way through Cumbria, but the repetitiveness is starting to grind, so after I finish South Lakes I think I'll take a break before moving on to Allerdale and Carlisle. After that who knows where next?? All the best. TiB  chat  17:18, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

WikiCup 2021 July newsletter
The third round of the 2021 WikiCup has now come to an end. Each of the sixteen contestants who made it into the fourth round had at least 294 points, and our top six scorers all had over 600 points. They were:


 * 🇧🇼 The Rambling Man, with 1825 points from 3 featured articles, 44 featured article reviews, 14 good articles, 30 good article reviews and 10 DYKs. In addition, he completed a 34-article good topic on the EFL Championship play-offs.
 * Epicgenius, a New York specialist, with 1083 points from 2 featured article reviews, 18 good articles, 30 DYKs and plenty of bonus points.
 * Bloom6132, with 869 points from 11 DYKs, all with bonus points, and 54 "In the news" items, mostly covering people who had recently died.
 * Standard of Oliver Cromwell (1653–1659).svg Gog the Mild, with 817 points from 3 featured articles on historic battles in Europe, 5 featured article reviews and 3 good articles.
 * Bennington Flag.svg Hog Farm, with 659 points from 2 featured articles and 2 good articles on American Civil War battles, 18 featured article reviews, 2 good articles, 6 good article reviews and 4 DYKs.
 * ICS Zulu.svg BennyOnTheLoose, a snooker specialist and new to the Cup, with 647 points from a featured article, 2 featured article reviews, 6 good articles, 6 good article reviews and 3 DYKs.

In round three, contestants achieved 19 featured articles, 7 featured lists, 106 featured article reviews, 72 good articles, 1 good topic, 62 good article reviews, 165 DYKs and 96 ITN items. We enter the fourth round with scores reset to zero; any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Please also remember that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them (one contestant in round 3 lost out because of this). When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article nominations, a featured process, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Judges: Sturmvogel 66 (talk) and Cwmhiraeth Cwmhiraeth (talk) MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:30, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

WikiCup 2021 September newsletter
The fourth round of the competition has finished with over 500 points being required to qualify for the final round. It was a hotly competitive round with two contestants, 🇧🇼 The Rambling Man and Epicgenius, each scoring over 3000 points, and six contestants scoring over 1000. All but one of the finalists achieved one or more FAs during the round, the exception being Bloom6132 who demonstrated that 61 "in the news" items produces an impressive number of points. Other contestants who made it to the final are Gog the Mild, 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski,  BennyOnTheLoose, 🇷🇼 Amakuru and  Hog Farm. However, all their points are now swept away and everyone starts afresh in the final round.

Round 4 saw the achievement of 18 featured articles and 157 good articles. Bilorv scored for a 25-article good topic on Black Mirror but narrowly missed out on qualifying for the final round. There was enthusiasm for FARs, with 89 being performed, and there were 63 GARs and around 100 DYKs during the round. As we start round 5, we say goodbye to the eight competitors who didn't quite make it to the final round; thank you for the useful contributions you have made to the Cup and Wikipedia, and we hope you will join us again next year. For other contestants, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 4 but before the start of round 5 can be claimed in round 5. Remember too that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them.

If you are concerned that your nomination, whether it be for a good article, a featured process, or anything else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to help keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Sturmvogel 66 and Cwmhiraeth. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:02, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

ClemRutter
Sorry, I saw your post but I didn't have the time to write a good response.

When it comes to unblocking users for copyright violations, some admins will ask questions related to stuff like "what is copyright", "how is Wikipedia licensed", "why is copyrighted content not allowed on Wikipedia", etc. My tactic tends to be different when it comes to unblocking users, I'll sometimes ask them to write something on their talk page/in their user space with a few sources to prove that they are able to write something without copying from the sources they cite. How effective that will be in getting ClemRutter unblocked, I'm not sure. What they wrote seems pretty final, although someone who is friends with them could would probably have an easier time convincing him to come back than I could. I would rather see him unblocked at this point, it's sad to see someone who has done good and cares about the project leave like this, but I'm also stuck on how that would happen now. Moneytrees🏝️Talk/CCI guide 01:37, 12 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your response, I've also taken some time to consider mine. I don't know Clem as a friend, but as he has been so active both with editing and the social stuff, he's one of only a very small number of wikipedians I've actually met IRL. Sadly he is just the latest in a much larger number of UK editors I've encountered over the years, who invested a lot of time in the project only to leave in unhappy circumstances. I've read all I can find about his case, but I'm sure there have been some off-wiki communications I am not privy too. My main concern at the time I posted on your talk was that Clem did not seem to be fully aware of the situation he'd found himself in. There appears to be a disconnect between the content of his protest statement and the copyright issue. With further reflection he is perhaps more concerned with any negative consequence for the admin who unblocked him last December. While this incident certainly has had a sub-optimal outcome, I can't figure out where to assign blame. Maybe Clem is an largescale copyright violator in whom I'd misplaced my respect. Maybe the copyright team needs to learn from this and reform its process. Maybe people should not interfere in things they don't fully understand. I was hoping more could be done to clearly explain the situation to Clem, but I think I'll just have to accept that I have at least achieved a better level of understanding of copyright. One question that occurred to me during this is, why isn't there an examination at some point in a wikipedian's development to ensure prolific contributors are sufficiently familiar with our core policies? TiB  chat  18:42, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

WikiCup 2021 November newsletter
The WikiCup is over for another year and the finalists can relax! Our Champion this year is, who amassed over 5000 points in the final round, achieving 8 featured articles and almost 500 reviews. It was a very competitive round; seven of the finalists achieved over 1000 points in the round (enough to win the 2019 contest), and three scored over 3000 (enough to win the 2020 event). Our 2021 finalists and their scores were:


 * 1) with 5072 points
 * 2) with 3276 points
 * 3) with 3197 points
 * 4) with 1611 points
 * 5) with 1571 points
 * 6) with 1420 points
 * 7) with 1043 points
 * 8) with 528 points

All those who reached the final round will win awards. The following special awards will be made based on high performance in particular areas of content creation and review. Awards will be handed out in the next few days.


 * wins the featured article prize, for 8 FAs in round 5.
 * wins the featured list prize, for 3 FLs in round 5.
 * wins the featured topic prize, for 13 articles in a featured topic in round 5.
 * wins the good article prize, for 63 GAs in round 4.
 * wins the good topic prize, for 86 articles in good topics in round 5.
 * wins the reviewer prize, for 68 FAC reviews and 213 GAN reviews, both in round 5.
 * wins the DYK prize, for 30 did you know articles in round 3 and 105 overall.
 * wins the ITN prize, for 71 in the news articles in round 1 and 284 overall.

Congratulations to everyone who participated in this year's WikiCup, whether they made it to the final round or not, and particular congratulations to the newcomers to the WikiCup, some of whom did very well. Wikipedia has benefitted greatly from the quality creations, expansions and improvements made, and the numerous reviews performed. Thanks to all who have taken part and helped out with the competition, not forgetting User:Jarry1250, who runs the scoring bot.

If you have views on whether the rules or scoring need adjustment for next year's contest, please comment on the WikiCup talk page. Next year's competition will begin on 1 January. You are invited to sign up to participate; the WikiCup is open to all Wikipedians, both novices and experienced editors, and we hope to see you all in the 2022 competition. Until then, it only remains to once again congratulate our worthy winners, and thank all participants for their involvement! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Sturmvogel 66 and Cwmhiraeth. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:56, 3 November 2021 (UTC)