User talk:Travelling Tragition/Archive one

Chinese Democracy

 * It is not speculation. Rolling Stone is allowed to preview albums before their release.  You'd know if you read it.  Shapiros10  contact me My work  12:51, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe it does but not in this case. Rolling Stone was only reviewing nine songs that were leaked in June, not the full album. It was only speculating what songs are on the album. &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 07:25, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I quote from the article: "Nine finished-sounding songs from Guns N' Roses Chinese Democracy leaked on line in mid-June." That shows that they know they're on Chinese democracy.  And the source is definitely reliable.  Rolling Stone is one of the premier (if not the best) sources for music news.  Shapiros10  contact me My work  12:54, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Stop saying Rolling Stone is not reliable. Magazines are reilable, and it is common knowledge that Rolling Stone gets to preview albums.  Please add the correct info back in.  Thank you.  Shapiros10  contact me My work  13:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Erm.. Rolling Stone wasn't previewing the album; it was reviewing nine tracks that were leaked from Antiquiet.com. In said review, Rolling Stone's claim that these tracks will be on the album is entirely speculation, and you'd think that if it was previewing the album, it would know the tracks' names, rather than listing them as "Title Unknown". Also, this report clearly shows that Rolling Stone is speculating on these tracks, and shows that Rolling Stone has contradicting itself, thus rendering its claims questionable. &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 06:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You just reverted the Chinese Democracy page to the last version you edited a week ago. What, nothing anybody did for the last week matters? Why don't you start a new website called Travelling Tragitionapedia? noit (talk) 16:56, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I would but that doesn't have a nice ring to it like Wikipedia does. &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 16:59, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you take control of a lot of wikipedia articles or just this one? noit (talk) 17:05, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Just this one. I don't really have the time to do it for the others. :-) &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 17:15, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Question
I'm pretty sure, we've met before. Have we? Scarian Call me Pat!  21:28, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Bah! I knew it was you. How comes you changed? Libsey saw you first, how comes you never told us? Our cabal is nothing without you! Scarian Call me Pat!  13:26, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure why I made a new account, to be honest. I just felt like a change, and that's it really. &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 21:00, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I can smell a cabal mate from a mile away. And yes... this is me... with an account. An account I said I would never have but an ignorant admin made an ignorant mistake and tainted my beautiful static IP forever (and never so much as apologised for his f*ck up) so I decided I might as well use this stupid name I created last year for email purposes. Can I nominate you for an admin now? :D . Libs (talk) 15:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

While I have your attention... undo this junk would ya Libs (talk) 15:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Is / Are ??
I have looked into this grammar issue in the past, however recently a little more information has come my way, which makes me quite sure that Guns N' Roses should be referred to using "are" rather than "is"

They are an American band, so the British use of are is not relevant, however as the name is a proper noun, and is in a plural form, it requires "are" rather than "is" in both American and British English.

thanks for making the edit though, it's nice that someone cares.. love and kisses Sennen goroshi (talk) 13:41, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

feel free to discuss this, rather that simply reverting. Sennen goroshi (talk) 17:16, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Your latest edit to the List of best-selling music artists
From what you have written in the history summary, I can see that you don't understand how sources should be added. They need to include the web site in order for users to click on them and verify whether T-Rex in this case has really sold that many records. Follow this example, or simply leave the web site within the discussion page and I will do that for you, but yes, it has to be something clickable rather than only the name. --Harout72 (talk) 17:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No, not at all. Books and other non-Internet sources - as long as they are written by a reliable source - can be used throughout Wikipedia too. &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 17:11, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

But those sources need to have web sites so people could simply click on them and verify for themselves immediately, and not go to the nearest library to check it in a book or in something that's only on a paper.--Harout72 (talk) 17:19, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No they don't. Please show me a Wikipedia guidleine or policy to prove your claims.
 * The source I have added meets Wikipedia's verifiability policy, so it should be kept in the article. &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 17:32, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Since I wasn't sure how else I could explain that this kind of a reference should not be considered reliable especially in the case of List of best-selling music artists where we directly depend on sales figures rather than quotes or statements (where what you were suggesting could work only if the directory of particular source is meticulously described) I decided to ask for the opinions of others at WP:RS.--Harout72 (talk) 15:22, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * My source is fine; it's from an official release by Wizard (Bahamas) Ltd., the record company founded by Marc Bolan in the early 1970s. If you're unfamiliar with Marc Bolan, T.Rex or Bolan's record company, Wizard (Bahamas) is perhaps the only company which can accurately estimate T.Rex's sales due to many complications with Bolan's deal with Fly Records (amongst others) before founding Wizard (Bahamas) - in fact, T.Rex total sales would probably exceed two-hundred million easily, since their most successful singles and album, Electric Warrior, were not released through Wizard (Bahamas). Feel free to find a better source if you wish, but in the time being, I request that you reinsert T.Rex in the list (I won't, out of courtesy and politeness). Here's the full quote from the album's liner notes, verifying the claims I have put forth: "[Marc] Bolan, who has sold in the region of 200 million records with his group T.Rex, should generate a fair bit of excitement in Marc." &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 15:14, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * So, will I have re-add it myself, along with my reliable source, and then go through this whole discussion once again when you object to my source and remove it again? &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 02:04, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

An article should contain correct information, that's also a rule on Wikipedia. T.Rex sold over 50 million albums, not over 200 million albums. Their "most succesful" single 'Get It On' sold hardly 1 million copies. There are no T.Rex albums that sold over 10 million copies. So it's impossible that the band sold over 200 million albums. There are no British bands that sold over 200 million albums without selling a lot of millions in the US, maybe some exceptions.Christo jones (talk) 18:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Read WP:NOR. &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 18:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You're very good in rules. But misinformation is not allowed, and that rule is the most important on Wikipedia.Christo jones (talk) 18:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * lolwut. I've added a reliable source for an artist who sold over two-hundred million records; you've removed the artist, and at the same time added another artist to the list with an unreliable source. &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 18:57, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello 'Funners'
An editor who has a history of ignoring WP:ALBUM rules has taken a shot at a few Buckethead albums. Thought you might want to help monitor and rv anything that blindfolds the Album project guidelines. The user is even removing the hidden WikiProject Albums tag from the infoboxes which I think is a fish slap to the project that he intends to continue ignoring the rules even though he has received warnings in the past about not playing by the rules. Have a nice day! Libs (talk) 17:15, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * PS. Keep an eye on IP 89.251.40.224 and on User Angry Shoplifter. The IP has another block pending for disruptive editing. Angry Shoplifter is an edit warrior (currently battling Wesley Dodds) and close to a lenghty block as well. Libs (talk) 17:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've gone through most of the BH albums and fixed any problems could see. I thik they're all fine now, but you might want to look over them to see if I missed anything. &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 18:20, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

July 2008
You have been blocked from editing for in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for violating the three-revert rule. Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text below.

If you will give an undertaking not to edit List of best-selling music artists (commenting on the talk page is fine, of course) for the remaining duration of the block, I would be happy to unblock. CIreland (talk) 23:10, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course. I was planning to refrain from editing that page, anyway. &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 23:14, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Need your assistance
This user is trying to list-cruft the Gibson Thunderbird article and even issued a bad faith false vandalism warning against the Guitar Project boss for trying to remove the teenyboy cruftyisms. I hawk the Gibson player list. Now I will watch all the guitar pages. Can you watch the Thunderbord page to see that teenyboy doesn't cruft it up again. Have a nice day! Libs (talk) 16:20, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry I didn't get your message, man - I've been away for the past week. &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 04:25, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

T.Rex
Can you display the sources you had for their sales here. Did you have an offline reference, such as a book? 220.253.32.214 (talk) 06:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The source comes from the liner notes of Marc: Songs from the Granada TV Series, a posthumous T.Rex album featuring music from Bolan's eponymous TV series. ""[Marc] Bolan, who has sold in the region of 200 million records with his group T.Rex, should generate a fair bit of excitement in Marc." &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 04:25, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Rock music WikiProject
I'd like to invite you to join the newly-formed Rock music WikiProject. There's alot of Rock-related articles on Wikipedia that could use a little attention, and I hope this project can help organize an effort to improve them. So please, take a look and if you like what you see, help us get this project off the ground and a few Rock music pages into the front ranks of Wikipedia articles. Thanks! --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 19:03, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You can't remove genres which has sources. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 09:33, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Join this convo
If you have time that is. Have a nice day! Libs (talk) 15:13, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the input. If you don't mind assisting on another this 3RR IP is a pest. Libs (talk) 19:36, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'll be watching the page. &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 05:43, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Can you watch that this is not undone. Our user is already 3RR on the page. But those reports take forever and just suck! :-). Libs (talk) 15:20, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Someone's trying to "genre" Arena rock again.... *sigh*
Someone stuck a genre box on Arena rock again. Music impairment never ends on Wikipedia. Libs (talk) 13:40, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Also... see this. Libs (talk) 13:54, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll keep a watch out for the arena rock article. With the template thing, I don't really have an opinion on it, although I suppose it would make sense to add some other sections to it. &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 19:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

A musical edit warrior for you to watch
Keep your eyes on this warrior. He has a personal edit war happening on several pages. Seems to think GnR is a glam metal band??? And has spread his belief over to Def Leppard. Either which way he earned a 3RR warning. He's been blocked before so the 24 hour rule is pretty much negated for him. If he reverts anything for the rest of the week he will get a vacation. Libs (talk) 02:20, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * PS I am done for the night. If you notice he's rv'd anything by anybody link me the diffs and he'll get a blocka-roo. Libs (talk) 02:25, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll be watching that page. &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 14:01, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Watch Megadeth too, if you don't mind. Rockk3r(or whatever) is not a very good editor but has decided he wants to play with the page. It is an FA and doesn't need his trolling. He created a sockpuppet(or a meatpuppet buddy-both whined on my talk page) tried to push his pov. The sockpuppet also tried to hide some of its own previous IP edits on the Megadeth talk page. Libs (talk) 14:12, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure. &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 14:14, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

PS, you've probably noticed that 98% of Tim010987's edits can be rv'd as well. Look at his userpage :). greaseball!!! He'll probably go away soon. School will start back up and he'll be busy in shop class trying to figure out which end of the hammer you hold to make it work :). Libs (talk) 14:16, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ha! That was my first thought too... :-D &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 16:13, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Note: The greaser is busy. Libs (talk) 23:44, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * See what I mean about the Megadeth weirdo. The guy is sorta wacked out :). I will be polite with him in a libsy kinda way :D Maybe that will help. :-D Libs (talk) 13:24, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This] could use an undo. All talk page discussion favoured using the 3 genres that were listed. I have no idea what he read??? Trouble-makers. *sigh* Libs 22:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Maintenance
Or maintainance. If you can smell the glove :) . Libs (talk) 23:55, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

This is actually kinda funny...
If you want to take the time to read through it. The Dude guys violation of WP:POINT is fogging his outlook on the actual "point" of the whole days debate. It was/is a stupid edit war. If someone added bluegrass to 'Welcome to the Jungle' would you think it was simple vandalism? I don't see where his argument is going? But it's been a humourous side-track to my Wiki-day :) . Libs 01:31, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Another genre impaired editor yet again
Troubling but likely a temporary troll. He will probably be blocked by tomorrow. Libs 17:58, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know too much about this guy, but it says on his user page "All he asks for is a second chance without being hunted down and blocked," amongst other things. Surely he's passed his second chance by now? &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 19:42, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Yet another favour...
Look at the difference a few "red link" usernames have made to this page over the past couple of days... diff. Notice anything? Can you see a sort-of... Crosby-Crosby-Crosby-Crosby-Crosby-Crosby-Crosby-Crosby-Crosby-Crosby-Crosby-Crosby-Crosby-Crosby-Crosby-Crosby-Crosby-Crosby-Crosby-Crosby in there? Like it is being skewed as a Robbin Crosby worship page and less like a band page. Not that the content may be true... its all unsourced. It just seems like someone is going to a lot of effort to increase his role within the band. Can you see it? The Real Libs-speak politely 19:22, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, an obvious troll. I'll watch that page for a few days until he gives up. &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 12:06, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Mantia
The band's official MySpace does not list him as a current member. Why would you add him in the current section then? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.24.12.182 (talk) 03:14, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Mantia's supposed departure from the band has never been officially confirmed and he has claimed he will return to the band. Show a real source (i.e, not "he's not on MySpace") and then we can discuss removing him from the template. &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 12:06, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Hows this for WP:BOLD?
Edit. Takes a big pair to do an edit like that eh? I wonder how long before "Angered Skirtlifter" ( look at the article history for who that is :D ) reverts it with some d*mbf*ck edit summary about "oh I'll find a refernce for that somewhere...Ooo...Ooo". Speaking of sh*tl*cker... could you add Testament (band) to your watchlist. There was a recent "stupidity clean" on that article lead-in... but Shartlofter thought the weasel worded original research was good for the article and put it back. I rv'd him with a clear link the the policies... and then he put it back again. I seriously think this little boy is actually a little boy.... 11, 12... somewhere in there. And musically challenged to boot. The Real Libs-speak politely 01:58, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

A discussion you may want to comment on
here. The Real Libs-speak politely 21:35, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Do you want to end the confusion?
GnR... heavy metal... if someone would just point out where this mysterious genre pops up significantly enough in their catalogue to warrant its inclusion in their genre box???? Beyond Civil War... I am just not hearing it. Can you do a sweep on the GnR article. Mr. Dodds confusion is getting the best of him. The Real Libs-speak politely 21:47, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I agree, as you know. It'll probably always keep turning up in the article, though. There's not much we can do about it being added every so often. &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 18:05, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

An anti-Wikipedia Buckethead troll
Distructive and disruptive. Any thoughts? The Real Libs-speak politely 18:26, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I prefer reading prose to big, long lists in cases like this, actually. I'm not really bothered about it, though - I rarely read those kind of sections. Although I guess big lists like that can be useful to some people, I don't sway to either choice. &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 14:32, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Assistance
Your voice is needed at WPP:MUSIC in the new debate to try and get the edit war battlefield "genre" entry put back into musician/album boxes. Whatever your opinion... it is welcome at the discussion. The Real Libs-speak politely 11:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * So... it's a long page full of people wanting to remove the genre section from infoboxes? I can't really read all that atm. But why? I noticed that section is missing from some article I've looked at recently, and I don't get the point. What's the reason for this big debate? &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 17:04, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:3RR
Hello Travelling Tragition. A complaint about your editing has been made at the 3RR noticeboard. You are welcome to join that discussion and give your own opinion. EdJohnston (talk) 21:12, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

RFC template
The RFC template on Talk:Chinese Democracy has an error. You may want to take a look. StevePrutz (talk) 03:13, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for telling me. &mdash; Travelling Tragition (Talk) 18:56, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Assistance
When you're travelling about Wiki could you drop around to the Led Zep debut album page and make sure pov edits like this don't happen. Have a nice day! The Real Libs-speak politely 11:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)