User talk:TreveX/Archive2

Terrorism definition
The problem is other definitions are in direct opposition. The existence of State sponsored terrorism disproves the notion that non governmental perpetrators are required or even generally required to meet the ddefinition of "terrorism". The non-governmental perpetrator possibility can be mentioned if the direct opposite definition that specifically does not limit perpetrators to non-governmental is also included (perhaps a see also note to State sponsored terrorism should be put inside the list, though the word "sponsored" seems to illegitimately exclude the possibility that states can commit "terrorism" directly themselves). At a language definition level any restriction of who can perform an act of violence ("terrorism") seems like an artificial limitation and distinction to me, the official government status of the perpetrators should be outside a definition's scope. And I guess that historic definitions of "terrorism" did not include any must be a non-governmental perpetrator requirement. zen master T 16:50, 6 August 2005 (UTC)


 * In fact State sponsored terrorism redirects to State terrorism now (though I never actually checked it before) so I don't think "terrorism" means what you think it means, even generally. Regardless, it should be noted there is disagreement on whether the non governmental actor general requirement is applicable at all.  zen master T 16:55, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

I think your added info is very good, but I still don't think an exclusive mention of the state sponsored perpetrator general requirement should be mentioned. At the very least it should be noted that others consider that general requirement to be what is effectively POV pushing. zen master T 17:44, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Rwanda-geo-stub
Hi - I note you've recently created a new stub category. Did you realise that stub categories should normally be cleared by WikiProject Stub sorting before creation? That way they can be vetted to check that there are a viable number of stubs (at least 60 and preferably 100) and that the category does not cross the existing stub hierarchy before the stub is created.

If you can provide any information on why the stub was created, please add a note to entry for the stub at WikiProject Stub sorting/Discoveries giving the reason for it. In addition, if there is any separate Wikiproject associated with the stub other than the African WikiProject (who, in the past, have worked well alongside the stub-sorting project), please add that information. Thanks.

In the case of this stub, there were only twelve Rwandan geography stubs at the last tally of geography stubs last week, which puts the country well below the required threshold. In fact, of countries represented by the Central Africa stub (already a not-particularly heavily populated category), it is the one country with the least stubs. This number is really not enough for a viable stub category, and would almost certainly not have received WP:WSS support for creation. Grutness...  wha?  06:22, 11 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I created the Rwanda stubs because I thought a precedent had been set with the creation of ones for Uganda. I'm afraid I was unaware of the clearing process for creation of new stub categories. Please accept my apologies - I realise in hindsight that it makes sense for there to be a minimum number of articles. Should the category and asswociated templates now be listed for deletion? TreveXtalk 15:56, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

That depends on how many articles there are likely to be. It's more work to delete and then re-create later, so if there's scope for growth it will most likely survive. But if it only gets to ten articles and sits at ten for a couple of months someone is likely to suggest deletion (a similar stub type that currently faces deletion that way is Kiribati-stub).


 * A couple more questions: are you refering to rwanda-geo-stub, rwanda-stub or both? How are the counts of stubs made for - is a database search for (is a stub AND is in category X) before a new counrty stub category is created? Cheers TreveXtalk 16:03, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

I didn't know you'd created Rwanda-stub as well! It was the geo-stub I was talking about, mainly because I'm the person who does the monthly tallies of that (yes, it's done by hand, unfortunately). The counts are done by looking through the regional categories (in this case "Central Africa geography stubs") and seeing (a) whether the category has got too big for editors to use comfortably, and (b) whether any individual countries have over about 60 stubs. If the answer to both is yes, then new categories are proposed. Since the count is done every month it only means checking any new articles and any oldd ones that have gone from the category, so it doesn't take that long. Similar sorts of processes go on in non-geography categories, although in many cases stub sorters work by taking a sample of 200 articles in a category rather than counting the lot. (If you want to see the current stats for geography articles, have a look here). Grutness...  wha?  01:36, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Languages of Uganda
TreveX, I've been bold and rewritten Languages of Uganda. It's nowhere near finished, though there is quite some content already. Might I invite you to help out? (If you feel like it, that is). I've invited Ezeu to the party as well. Cheers, &mdash; mark &#9998; 12:07, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Replied over here. TreveXtalk 13:43, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

RE: Award (Ezeu)
I have boastfully put the award you gave me on my my user page. Thanks.

Uganda
Responding to your request at WikiProject:Countries: Commercialism is already against Wikipedia policy. I believe that any member of the WikiProject would oppose adding links to tourist corporations without proof that their presence is needed. If there is a specific reason for their use (i.e., the national tourism company under an economy section), by all means keep them. However, such links, when they exist simply for their own sake, should not be included. It's similar to linking to test prep services on SAT, which is not allowed or advisable. Wikitravel is less of a problem, and I would say allow it if it can be fit into the article (There is a template box for this, see Vietnam).--naryathegreat | (talk) 02:10, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

Template:Wikitravelbox
See Talk:Wikitravel or Template talk:Wikitravel for reasons Wikitravel doesn't get a box &mdash; in short, it's not a relative of Wikipedia, so it gets the same treatment as IMDb or Memory Alpha or any other external link. So I've put in a request to delete the unused Template:Wikitravelbox. --Quuxplusone 02:51, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * My apologies. I didn't realise that Wikitravel was not a wikimedia project! TreveXtalk 09:39, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Kenya stubs
Hi TreveX - I've made a few comments at WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals about your suggestions for new stubs. To boil it down, the Uganda categories were created by someone who didn't know about the WikiProject - in the same way you made the Rwanda categories - but were quickly populated (there are now 98 Uganda geography stubs). Kenya stub is viable if you can show that there are a large number of stubs (preferably 60 or so). Kenya-geo-stub is close to the number usually used for splitting - there are 50 of them, so the easiest way to get that accepted would be to make 15-20 more. If there were 70, it would be very likely to be split - 50's just a little thin. I might try and make a few myself (consider it an apology for the fact that Rwanda-geo-stub has been nominated for deletion!) Grutness...  wha?  10:47, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Western Sahara as an independent state
Hi TreveX. I appreciate your revert which means that you are participating in depth. However, as I explained in my revert, Western Sahara is not an independent state yet! It is recognized by a dozen of countries in Africa, Latin America and by Spain but it is not an independent state yet in international law. It may be a state but it is not independent. Independent states got a seat at the UN. It is like arguing that Palestine is an independent state which is not the case yet. It is also like telling me that Socotra is an independent state (as i found it in the list). First, Socotra belongs to Yemen (Asian country) and second it is not an independent country! Please note that this is not a POV case but it is a fact. Please, keep in touch and I'd like you to be active in African related issues such as Africa-related regional notice board and African Collaboration of the Fortnight. Cheers -- Svest 21:29, August 28, 2005 (UTC) Wiki me up&#153;
 * You're right about WS not being an independent state. I still think it's a shame to leave it out all together, so I've created a new "disputed territories" section. Hope this is OK. TreveXtalk 21:39, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The best solution is what you just did (categorizing it as a disputed territory). It is a fact indeed and we don't have to forget that we are here to edit facts ;). I appreciate your idea and immediate action. Hey TreveX, I don't see your username in Africa-related regional notice board and African Collaboration of the Fortnight. We really need people to be involved there. Cheers -- Svest 21:29, August 28, 2005 (UTC) Wiki me up&#153;
 * I am on Africa-related regional notice board as of April this year (do a search for my name)! As for African Collaboration of the Fortnight, I don't think it has a members list. I have, however, contributed to the current collaboration, Acholi language. :-) I am around in Africa-related topics, but mainly East Africa and Uganda in particular. TreveXtalk 21:52, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * You're right. Keep up the good work. -- Svest 21:29, August 28, 2005 (UTC) Wiki me up&#153;

Template:Uganda-geo-stub img
Thanks. It was fun. The bands aren't exactly equal in width, but at that scale, it's hard to see. :-) Tomer TALK  09:38, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

Lira picture
Good on you and thanks for adding the picture to Lira, Uganda. Lira is where I attended Secondary School, and it is great to see photos from there. I have back only once during the last 10 years --Ezeu 16:30, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Billie Holliday's Voice
I love your quote about Lady In Satin. It's the perfect last word on Billie's voice. Thanks for finding/adding. -- SeanO 01:00, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Bach sound excerpt info
Hi Trevex: I'd avoided putting the info on the page because I wanted to keep the excerpt unobtrusive visually. The info is available just by hitting 'info'. Isn't that enough? Tony 01:28, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you're right. I was going to change it back but forgot. I've changed it now. TreveXtalk 16:22, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Jazz template
FYI, I created a template for smooth jazz. It is colored pink because by definition it is a subgenre of jazz. Andros 1337 19:56, 25 September 2005 (UTC)