User talk:Trevj/Archives/Archive 2

Avoid rowspan in sortable tables
I have posted to Talk:Comparison of operating systems PrimeHunter (talk) 02:08, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for alerting me to this and for sorting it. --Trevj (talk) 03:57, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

File:AcornArthur110desktopsmall.png
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Meter Point Administration Number
Hi there,

I have to say I object to your unecessary move of Meter Point Administration Number to MPAN. The convention is generally to keep the article title complete. I appreciate that "em-pan" is widely used, but as a primary reason, it fails WP:V and WP:CITE. With the redirect already in place from MPAN, it was better encyclopaedically, and I can't fathom a good reason for the change. It also goes against WP:MOS policy (at WP:TITLEFORMAT) which says that abbreviations should only be used if they are in near excluive use, such as RADAR. I will likely request a move back over to the orignal page, as your subsequent edits have locked that from happening. OwainDavies (about)(talk) edited at 12:37, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. You may have a point, and I wasn't proposing that the full name be adjusted in the lead. It's worth noting the following (scholar) sources, although the results aren't conclusive.
 * Anyway, having had a quick look at List of acronyms and initialisms I think you're right and so have listed it to be moved. Sorry. --Trevj (talk) 13:37, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Anyway, having had a quick look at List of acronyms and initialisms I think you're right and so have listed it to be moved. Sorry. --Trevj (talk) 13:37, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Anyway, having had a quick look at List of acronyms and initialisms I think you're right and so have listed it to be moved. Sorry. --Trevj (talk) 13:37, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Bristol Omnibus Company
I reverted your nonsensical addition of the primary sources tag to this article. Please check out the references, none of them are PS. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:41, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Apologies for my misunderstanding. I admit that I don't have copies of the books, so if the refs aren't PS then fine. Sorry. --Trevj (talk) 20:45, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

I thank Trevj for kind welcome. EWLwiki
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 * No problem. Happy editing! --Trevj (talk) 18:20, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Delayed Responses
Since I have been away for the last two weeks I'm just dropping you a note to let you know I have now responded to your comment on my talk page - in case you have stopped watching for the reply. Spartaz Humbug! 20:26, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

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thanks
Thanks for the talk page fix. I have no idea how long that's been broken. Electiontechnology (talk) 19:16, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem. You're welcome! --Trevj (talk) 20:22, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

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File:RISC OS Icon Bar 1988.PNG, File:RISC OS Icon Bar 1991.PNG & File:RISC OS Icon Bar 1999.PNG
Hello Trevj, I've just undeleted File:RISC OS Icon Bar 1988.PNG, File:RISC OS Icon Bar 1991.PNG & File:RISC OS Icon Bar 1999.PNG as per your request; please add a FUR rationale as soon as you can and make sure they are used on Icon bar. Cheers. Salvio Let's talk about it! 11:28, 30 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I've now done that. When other project members have reviewed the additions, there may be further rewording. -- Trevj (talk) 15:47, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

List of watermills in the United Kingdom
Hi Trevj. I've undone this edit because (at least according to http://www.weyandarun.co.uk/csid042.htm), this wheel is a pump, not a mill. The Water wheel article suggests this kind of thing is called a Noria but it's probably better to edit Canal which includes a paragraph beginning: "Canals have various features to tackle the problem of water supply." --Northernhenge (talk) 20:18, 31 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know. I'd better have a closer look. And in any case, I agree that my "tgoogle" typo certainly needed amending! -- Trevj (talk) 08:47, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks. That's kind and is appreciated, even though I don't own a barn! -- Trevj (talk) 10:48, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Acorn User magazines
Trevor: as I said at the London show, I have long since discarded my old Acorn magazines, but did you see this offer by one Barney (posted yesterday): here? Is it a resource of use in this project?

BernardUK (talk) 15:43, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that. I've sent an email, although it'd rely on me persuading a friend of mine to collect/store them until I can take them. -- Trevj (talk) 19:52, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, it looks as if this isn't going to lead to anything after all. } My mate's having a pretty shit time of it ATM - I managed to speak with him last night but didn't have the heart to ask him if he could help... he's got enough on his plate already. Barney tells me that the mags must go before this Saturday 12 November 2011. If you can help, please email him. Sorry. -- Trevj (talk) 08:19, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * If there is any article about ANY web browser/related in, I would the issues. I'm also ok with sending them back/forward them after reading/copying/integrating them into articles. mabdul 09:56, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * They are all in binders, 12 to a binder and 4 binders making 48 issues in total. They will all easily fit in any car. mabdul, I've asked about browser stuff, but fear they may be too early for that. Would you be able to get to Buckinghamshire? (I've asked for more specific whereabouts.) Thanks very much. -- Trevj (talk) 11:34, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes indeed the coverage is from 1982-85 which is indeed too early for web browsers. } -- Trevj (talk) 14:44, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You could try to donate them to Vintage Computer Festival.Smallman12q (talk) 19:44, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

commons:Commons:Batch_uploading/Chris's_Acorns
Hello,

I saw your request at the commons. Uploading all the images would be fine, provided they aren't too redundant. Ideally, each image requires a minimum of a name (otherwise it's going to require a lot of filemovers), and description. The images may be lumped into a general category, and may have their own license tag. You can look at Commons:Commons:National Archives and Records Administration/Categorize to see how to do massive batch uploads.

I'm not sure how he's categorizing the images on his hard drive, but if they're not, you can still extract data from his site. A number of the images have an alt attribute and follow a similar format so info can be extracted from the page. The images and descriptions could be previewed before being uploaded (in a simple program) and would be uploaded via the api. Images that are non-free should not be uploaded and should be excluded when during the preview check. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Smallman12q (talk) 04:21, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi and thanks very much for the message. I have some notes of the conversation that Chris and I had last Saturday and will incorporate them in an update to the request at Commons some time soon. In the mean time, from memory:
 * Regarding redundancy, many of the photos could in the future be incorporated within Wikipedia articles on the relevant hardware. Where multiple photos could be considered disproportionate to the quantity of prose, CommonsCat links could be included. (I don't know a great deal about Commons cats, and Category:RISC OS hardware probably needs some further tidying/reorganisation first.)
 * Even if not used in Wikipedia, the vast majority of photographs would still IMO be a useful educational resource, as examples of the design of circuit boards and computing products. (Maybe there are/could be categories for boards/products by date of release?)
 * Chris is willing to incorporate suitable license wording (e.g. CC BY-SA 3.0, CC deed) on his main page, which will apply to all subpages.
 * Sorry but I'm not sure what is meant by "may have their own license tag". Does that mean a new custom tag, e.g. as used for the NARA-cooperation?
 * The image files have unique names, using model numbers etc. and suffixes to differentiate photos in a series, e.g. A, B, C. Do you think it would it be practical for the previewed names and descriptions to be edited before the upload takes place?
 * All non-free images are stored in specific directory(s) and so should be easy enough to exclude when uploading (details TBC). This should mean there's no need to verify that their license conditions are explicitly noted on their relevant pages/in the filenames. (And there are few non-free images anyway.)
 * Thanks again. -- Trevj (talk) 09:59, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It would be practical to give a cursory glance prior to upload. He's going to need to use a program to extract a description from the relevant web pages and to preview before uploading. There are a few mass upload tools, but it may be better to write one for this upload (something like a sheet interface]). Additionally, he's going to need to write a spider to go through the pages locally and extract the relevant information (unless he's cataloged the images somewhere else). If he is unable/unwilling to write the code, he could provide me with a compressed copy of the site(only need .html and images), and I'll write the parser/uploader and do the uploading. The uploads would be batched, and could be categorized/sorted by those on the commons.


 * He may create his own license tag (provided its a free license) such as the one here or here. You can find more info on commons partnerships at Commons:Commons:Partnerships. You needn't worry about redundancy (I didn't see anything redundant), if the images are free, the commons will take them. Not all the images will find homes in articles (though they may)...but they will serve as an excellent addition to the commons. (I've also emailed him to ask him if he needs help.)Smallman12q (talk) 16:17, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Let me know when you get a response.Smallman12q (talk) 19:45, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've received a message from Chris saying he is indeed willing. I've asked for him to upload the files in a zip archive and I will process and upload them myself. Though you might like to know.Smallman12q (talk) 20:47, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That's great news. Thanks so much for kindly stepping in to move this on. I did take my notepad to work with me on Friday, thinking I'd check through and email Chris. But I ended up spending the lunch time fixing the wipers on my car instead. Is there anything else you think I can help with, e.g. perhaps category suggestions? Thanks again. -- Trevj (talk) 23:55, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * My pleasure...it'll nice to have some oldschool computing pictures here. I'll be adding general categories when I upload. You'll be able to recategorize as you see fit once uploaded. For now, I'm waiting for Chris to upload the zipped file and give me the download link. Cheers! Smallman12q (talk) 14:12, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've now remembered that I have a photo of Chris from the other week. { -- Trevj (talk) 19:21, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * =D. I've filed the bot request at Commons:Commons:Bots/Requests/Smallbot.Smallman12q (talk) 02:21, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. -- Trevj (talk) 11:05, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've begun the upload...am a bit busy this week so it may be delayed more than you'd like.Smallman12q (talk) 00:48, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * So far, so good. Thanks. -- Trevj (talk) 09:52, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * So...I finally got approval...commons needs bureaucrats. I've uploaded ~150 files, you can see them at Commons:Category:Acorn Computers 8-bit upgrades and expansions. I'll do more tmrw. Let me know how it looks.Smallman12q (talk) 00:00, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd say that's looking great so far. I'll include a few of the 8-bit photos in articles here. There may also be mention of the photo transfer in the forthcoming issue of Archive magazine. Once the 32-bit stuff arrives, that will be of direct interest to WP:RISCOS. Once everything's there, a general post can be made to WT:COMP. Thanks. -- Trevj (talk) 13:18, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You mentioned redundant images at the top of this thread. I don't know how we'll handle File:Acorn 6502 2nd processor circuit board (top).jpg (compared to File:Acorn 6502 2nd processor circuit board.jpg). The former is higher quality but the latter has more info in the description. -- Trevj (talk) 13:24, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

I've finished the 8-bit upgrades (commons:Category:Acorn_Computers_8-bit_upgrades_and_expansions). There are ~150 categories there now with ~500 files, some of which are empty/redundant. Redundant images will have to be deleted, the higher-res version should be the only one kept. The descriptions are from the relevant link. Descriptions could be improved later on...it's semi-automated extraction. The links in the description are removed as the material may be copyrighted. One of the pages had redundant pictures. I'll do the 32bit upgrades this weekend. You are welcome to fix up the description/use the images. I'll be adding galleries next week.Smallman12q (talk) 16:53, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Brilliant! { I've used a few images already: Acorn Electron, BBC Micro expansion unit. That redundant "Slogger Electron Expansion 2.0 ROM" is interesting - the page seems to say it's a different board in the Plus 1 unit, but the photos look identical. If you happen to notice any other discrepancies then let me know and perhaps Chris can shed some light on them later. I'll have a look at other redundant stuff/pasting descriptions if redundant files are to be deleted... but this probably won't be until next week now, or even in 2012. Thanks. -- Trevj (talk) 18:54, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I've uploaded ~85 categories to Commons:Category:Acorn Computers 32-bit upgrades and expansions. I'm going to be away for the rest of this year (well I'm be on vacation=P). I'll finish the rest of the upload in Jan. If you do write an article for Archive let me know. I've also listed the upload at Commons:Commons:PartnershipsI'll be around until Monday, so if you have any questions, let me know. Cheers.Smallman12q (talk) 13:27, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm also away ATM. I did exchange emails with both Chris and the Archive editor a few weeks ago. I provided a paragraph of background info but perhaps that'll be replaced by the tale from Chris's POV. I don't know whether there'll be anything in the forthcoming issue (due imminently) or not. In any case, I was thinking of asking you (when the bot's work is finished) about how it works and how the transfer is of interest to you - for possible publication in the future. Will keep you posted. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. -- Trevj (talk) 11:57, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Bristol Girl Geeks
Whilst it would be good to have such an article, I really don't think there is going to be any WP:RS about them. There may be just enough to create a stub about the whole movement here and in the US though. Jezhotwells (talk) 16:03, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * We'd need more refs than this, but you never know! For the moment, I think it should stay at WikiProject Bristol/to do if that's OK. Thanks. -- Trevj (talk) 19:26, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No problems, as you say there may well be more in future. Jezhotwells (talk) 13:21, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

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 * Thanks. I may have the Acorn Users, so will have a look around New Year. -- Trevj (talk) 13:13, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

WP:AIV
Hey Trevj, you just reported a couple of IPs to AIV (including 203.45.175.144), but they hadn't edited in weeks or even months. Such reports will never be acted on, given the nature of IP editing. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 05:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the informative note. Being naive, I'd previously placed notices thinking that would help! I see you're right, with User:164.11.204.132 being bot-marked and then declined. Wouldn't Schoolblock still be appropriate in this case? I now see that the request for User:203.45.175.144 has also been declined. Perhaps you could please answer a question for me: why do we warn users and then not follow through when the warning goes unheeded (regardless of the length of time it takes to be reported)? Thanks. -- Trevj (talk) 05:10, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * In this case: because they are IPs, it's as simple as that. There is no guarantee that the same user is still there behind that IP address, though typically a final warning will be followed by another final warning, for instance, if an IP goes back to vandalizing after a month. But a final warning, followed a month later by another single act of vandalism, never leads to a block, at least not with IP editors. It is very likely that it's not the same person, and you have to give them the benefit of the doubt. Now, a schoolblock for instance, that can be enacted on (or refreshed) after a single instance, because in those cases you can pretty sure that you're dealing with the same group of editors, for instance. The long and short of it is, it seems to me, that IPs are not users. Users, with a name and an account, they're users. IPs are simply temporary addresses (sometimes very temporarily, sometimes less so), not users. Does that help? Drmies (talk) 05:15, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for going to the time and trouble of clarifying things. That's a very useful explanation. The schoolblock scenario makes sense, but I don't think would be appropriate in cases where a large campus is involved (as at University of the West of England)... unless different departments/faculties have different IP addresses, I guess. -- Trevj (talk) 05:26, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. And yes, school blocks are typically used for, say, high schools and such. They may, I guess, involve a (small) range of IPs, though, if there are different IPs there. I've seen one where two IPs were blocked for the same school. Anyway, the thing to keep in mind with IPs is that you're looking for recent warnings: always check the talk page for warnings, and keep in mind that recent warnings may have been removed. All the best, Drmies (talk) 15:07, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Mouse pointers
Hey, thanks for starting that article on mouse pointers! I've done some work on the GUI-related articles, particularly developing, and recently created The Design of Everyday Things – not a computer book, but closely related to interaction design. I look forward to collaborating more in this area! – Pnm (talk) 22:04, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That's OK - it's mostly lifted from the other articles. I was really looking to add some information on the difference between hardware and softzare pointers (when I've researched it) but found the appropriate article to add it to didn't exist! The GUI is an area of interest for me too, so I hope to improve further things at some point. Norman's book looks as if it should be required reading for anyone designing public works, e.g. compare the fiddly newer UK pedestrian crossing buttons with their predecessor. (Maybe introduced to deter kids from fooling with them, but kerbside presence detectors should eliminate this anyway.) Cheers. -- Trevj (talk) 08:08, 23 December 2011 (UTC)