User talk:Trevj/Archives/Archive 3

the fallguy
i thourgh them pages were imforative and entertaining. thanks. D. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.206.182.27 (talk) 07:47, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * -- Trevj (talk) 14:50, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Cyber Chess for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Cyber Chess is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Cyber Chess until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. SyG (talk) 16:48, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thrive (film)
I'm not sure that I agree with your close of "no consensus" for Articles for deletion/Thrive (film). Some of the keep !votes are based on the Huffington Post which is not a reliable source for establishing notability. -- Whpq (talk) 11:22, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. But with the discussion as it was, it didn't look to me as if consensus would be reached. I was trying to help a little with the backlog. Per WP:NACD, Decisions are subject to review and may be reopened by any administrator. Therefore, I would expect that in due course any admin(s) reviewing Articles for deletion/Log/2012 January 3 would reopen the discussion if the closure were to be deemed inappropriate. Hopefully that offers some clarification. Cheers. -- Trevj (talk) 11:58, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand that there currently appears to be no consensus, but given that the discussion did not get relisted, and consequently the outcome is not clear cut, I'm requesting that you reverse your close. Regards -- Whpq (talk) 14:15, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi. Sorry if the following appears unhelpful but I don't feel that reversing the close is necessary. An admin can reopen the discussion, and may well do so in the coming hours/days. I reviewed the four references (current version) before closing and felt that the article meets WP:GNG. Yes, the discussion could be relisted but I feel that the likely outcome would still be no consensus. WP:RELIST states That said, relisting should not be a substitute for a "no consensus" closure. If the closer feels there has been substantive debate, disparate opinions supported by policy have been expressed, and consensus has not been achieved, a no-consensus close may be preferable.
 * Regarding The Huffington Post, this appears to be a contentious issue which has led to various outcomes in the past, e.g.
 * Articles for deletion/Friedman
 * Articles for deletion/Bob Geiger
 * Articles for deletion/Brett Clouser
 * Articles for deletion/Patrick M. McCarthy
 * Articles for deletion/Erica Payne
 * You may be correctly identifying poor judgement on my behalf. If this is the case, an admin may reopen the discussion. If that happens, I should like to offer my apologies in advance. Alternatively, the closure could be taken to WP:DELREV after an appropriate time period has elapsed (to give admins the opportunity to reopen/relist the discussion). If I agreed with you, yes I would reverse the closure. But there is a backlog and I feel that the likely outcome would remain no consensus. Sorry to disappoint. -- Trevj (talk) 14:53, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * PS I've now read Reliable sources/Noticeboard, but it's not changed my mind about consensus not being reached. -- Trevj (talk) 16:04, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Deletion review for Thrive (film)
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Thrive (film). Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Whpq (talk) 14:58, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry if you feel messed around. I genuinely hope the discussion concludes with a consensus decision. -- Trevj (talk) 19:32, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't feel messed around. I do feel it would have been simpler if you had reversed your action when I requested rather than haavign to take it t deletion review.  I suspect that the additional commentary will help drive towards a consensus.  Regards. -- Whpq (talk) 05:38, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, I was too hasty. I see the consensus is delete. -- Trevj (talk) 19:28, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Teahouse

 * Thanks for drawing my attention to this project. I see I've got until Jan 29 to apply, so will further investigate over the coming days, give it some thought and/or ask questions. Cheers. -- Trevj (talk) 08:39, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Bristol international airport logo.gif
 Thanks for uploading File:Bristol international airport logo.gif. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Cloudbound (talk) 17:55, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. I'm not the original uploader, but just cropped it: . As you've uploaded a PNG replacement, this is fine - but you might want to notify the original uploader too. Cheers. -- Trevj (talk) 21:17, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, but their revision has been deleted so I don't know who they are. Cloudbound (talk) 16:14, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * That's why I included the links above (including "history"). Anyway, never mind - I've notified the user now. -- Trevj (talk) 09:33, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Excellent. Cheers. Cloudbound (talk) 22:34, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Teahouse updates
Hi Trevj! A few updates for you about Wikipedia:Teahouse, since you're one of our awesome Teahouse hosts!:
 * The host lounge is open! Please take time to review the materials in the space and start contributing to the how-to pages. Your input is valuable. Not only is it great practice to get our minds thinking like hosts, but, you can also provide easy to understand instructions and sound bites for fellow hosts!
 * Join the conversation by participating on the host lounge talk pages. We also have an IRC channel now for hosts to get to know one another, develop your skills, and eventually the channel will serve as an additional help space for new editors!
 * To visit the IRC channel: (Feel free to ask me for help if you're having trouble connecting!)
 * Let new editors get to know you by creating your Teahouse profile. Contribute your profile on the host page at the Teahouse! This serves as a fun way for new editors to get to know the people behind the usernames. You can post a photograph of yourself or an avatar, add a quote about yourself or something you enjoy, and share projects and activities you participate on wiki (with wikilinks).

Very exciting things are taking place, and we'll be opening the Teahouse no later than Monday. Feel free to ping me on or off wiki, and I can't wait to work with you to welcome new editors with a warm cup of tea :) SarahStierch (talk) 03:40, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

The Teahouse is Open!
Hi Trev! Great news: The Teahouse is open for business! We're ready to start inviting new users, answering questions and inspiring one another. If you haven't already taken a look at the links provided in the most recent Teahouse update, posted on your talk page, please do! Don't forget to add yourself to the Host page if you haven't already. What's next? Inviting hosts and reporting your invitation information. See you at the Teahouse! SarahStierch (talk) 19:05, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Please familiarize yourself with this brief rundown of your responsibilities as a Teahouse host.
 * Use the invitation guide to invite new users and report your invites.
 * Make sure you have the Q&A page on your watch page and dive in when answers get asked! Feel free to ask your own questions - either seeking help or inspiring others to share their projects, ideas and inspiration for editing.
 * Thanks. I've begun keeping a record of things at User:Trevj/Teahouse participation. -- Trevj (talk) 13:26, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Awesome! We also have a document here which everyone is using! It'd be wonderful if you could make sure that your documentation is also seen here (in regards to invitations! It's super important for us to report this data when the pilot is done). Thanks :) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlKek6iKEo5IdDAtN2QxQmQ4dDFyUVgtZlN5V2hBV3c SarahStierch (talk) 15:25, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * OK. As you've probably just seen, I've added those 4 into that doc. -- Trevj (talk) 15:37, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Awesome! Thank you. Also, thanks for being on top of the question's we have so far. Please take a look at this when you can, just some suggestions I have based on interactions thus far: New suggestions regarding Q&A participation for hosts. Thanks Trevj :) SarahStierch (talk) 19:15, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Inviting guests to the Teahouse
Hey Trevj! Thank you for your quick and energetic responses to questions on the Teahouse. Since you are a master of quick and fast Wikipediaing, I'd love to have your help with inviting more new editors to participate, since we have more hosts than we do questions. I also hope that some of our other hosts will chime in, so perhaps if you, myself, and a few other folks can focus on invitations, it'll inspire some of the other hosts to participate and get some practice in. I know this first week is kind of crazy regarding how the Teahouse is going, but, hopefully things will pick up once we move beyond the soft launch. Thanks for kicking butt and takin' names!!! SarahStierch (talk) 00:38, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * OK. I've not done my quota today, so will try to catch up and exceed it. Some of the invites already placed by hosts may not be acted on for a week or so too. Cheers. -- Trevj (talk) 00:47, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah! You rock. Thanks :) SarahStierch (talk) 00:48, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not too quick with the invitations, I must admit. But I'll keep trying. -- Trevj (talk) 12:45, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

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 * For anyone wondering why I'm not changing this, it's because it's actually intentional. My edit includes the markup comment  . -- Trevj (talk) 11:12, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Your Novell NetWare and Novell DOS edits
Hi. Please stop splitting articles into separate articles such as you did with the "DR-DOS" article into "Novell DOS" without prior talk page discussion and seeking consensus. Novell DOS 7 was the direct successor of DR DOS 6.0 and PalmDOS and the direct predecessor of Caldera OpenDOS 7.01 (before the product was renamed back to DR-DOS eventually). Unfortunately, the product saw many name changes, where updating the version number would have been enough. Splitting this into separate articles will create unnecessary redundancy and cause confusion. I cannot see a reason to move the Novell DOS section into a separate article unless you wanted to expand the Novell DOS section considerably so that it would be totally out of proportion in comparison with the other sections in the existing DR-DOS article afterwards. However, you should then start adding to the article first and discuss a potential split before doing it.

Also, your bold move of the long established "Novell NetWare" article to "NetWare" is hardly "non-controversial", in particular if you don't clean up the many dangling links yourself afterwards (as is required by policy). This should have been discussed first as well. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 18:22, 4 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi. Thanks for sharing your concerns with me.
 * Per WP:BRD, I'll be opening discussion on the proposed split to see if consensus can be determined that way. (Your revert does not mean that is the consensus view, and it appears that there was no discussion at the time of the original redirect.)
 * As for NetWare, I did check the links at the time. It's worth noting that the number of links to NetWare is actually greater than the number of links to Novell NetWare. Therefore, the move has resulted in less redirects being used. This naming also appears to be reflected by the common name:, . Although I do often track back through the links and am familiar with the steps involved in moving a page, I was not aware that cleaning up "dangling links" was a policy. It would be appreciated if you could please direct me to that policy.
 * Thanks. -- Trevj (talk) 19:37, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing out that there actually was a separate Novell DOS article in May 2007, I was not aware of this. However, it was a single sentence only, and I would not even count that as a stub, to be honest. In either way, that's almost five years ago, so hardly relevant for any kind-of-a-"revert" today... Anyway, please open a discussion on the article's talk page, I'm interested to learn about your motivation why you think a separate article for Novell DOS would serve the subject a better purpose than being discussed within the existing DR-DOS article.
 * I saw that you added a new intro to the "Novell DOS" article. While it partially duplicates stuff already mentioned in the DR-DOS article please consider adding the remainder to the DR-DOS article. My revert was addressing the split, not any new contents added.
 * Regarding cleanup policy after moves, please have a look at an article's move page. The instructions there state "Be sure to check for double or broken redirects. You are responsible for making sure that links continue to point where they are supposed to go." Once you have performed a move, you will get a page with a more detailed list of instructions of what to check before considering a move complete, including fixing up dangling redirects, etc. (I don't know if this page can be viewed without actually moving an article, that's why I don't cite from it here.) --Matthiaspaul (talk) 20:18, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Right, I've commenced the split discussion and placed a few Pls notices. -- Trevj (talk) 07:05, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

For reference, consensus against my opinion gracefully accepted on 11 April 2012. -- Trevj (talk) 14:47, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

MOTDs (This space for rent)
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 * Thanks for the note. I'll bear this in mind, as I find it interesting. However, I doubt very much that I'll actually find any time to do much. Sorry. -- Trevj (talk) 14:47, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

The Tea Leaf - Issue One - Recent news from the Teahouse
Hi! Welcome to the first edition of The Tea Leaf, the official newsletter of the Teahouse! You are receiving The Tea Leaf after expressing interest or participating in the Teahouse! To remove yourself from receiving future newsletters, please remove your username here. Sarah (talk) 16:09, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Metrics are out from week one. Week one showed that the need for Teahouse hosts to invite new editors to the Teahouse is urgent for this pilot period. It also showed that emailing new users invitations is a powerful tool, with new editors responding more to emails than to talk page templates. We also learned that the customized database reports created for the Teahouse have the highest return rate of participation by invitees. Check out the metrics here and see how you can help with inviting in our Invitation Guide.
 * A refreshed "Your hosts" page encourages experienced Wikipedians to learn about the Teahouse and participate. With community input, the Teahouse has updated the Your hosts page which details the host roles within the Teahouse pilot and the importance that hosts play in providing a friendly, special experience not always found on other welcome/help spaces on Wikipedia. It also explains how Teahouse hosts are important regarding metrics reporting during this pilot. Are you an experienced editor who wants to help out? Take a look at the new page today and start learning about the hosts tasks and how you can participate!
 * Introduce yourself and meet new guests at the Teahouse. Take the time to welcome and get to know the latest guests at the Teahouse. New & experienced editors to Wikipedia can add a brief infobox about themselves and get to know one another with direct links to userpages. Drop off some wikilove to these editors today, they'll surely be happy to feel the wikilove!

Merci de votre gentillesse

 * De rien :-) -- Trevj (talk) 18:31, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Photo personnelle
Bonjour Trevj, comment puis je mettre sur ma page, un photo de moi. Je ne veux pas la télécharger sur le Wikipédia Commons car je voudrai que ma photo reste privée et ne soit pas utilisé par d'autres personnes. How then I to put on my page, one personnal photo. I don't want to download my personnal photo on Wikipédia Commons because I shall want that my photo remains private and isn't use by the other persons. Pardonnez ma langue anglaise. --Vieux supporteur de hockey féminin (talk) 11:44, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Salut. Desole mais je ne pense pas que ca sera possible. WP:NFCC says that non-free images are only to be used in article space. Peut-etre c'est different sur le Wikipedia francais. Si je me trompe vous pouvez demander sur les pages help ou au Teahouse. Bon courage! -- Trevj (talk) 19:56, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Merci, --Vieux supporteur de hockey féminin (talk) 12:38, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Subsequently blocked user. -- Trevj (talk) 15:00, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Workers International League
Those sources have to do with the British Workers' International League (1937) not the subject of the AFD which is a different group in a different country but with the same name Workers' International League (US). Vale of Glamorgan (talk) 17:06, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- Trevj (talk) 18:19, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Notice
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 * Thanks. I've commented there. -- Trevj (talk) 08:42, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * For reference, now archived at Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive742. -- Trevj (talk) 06:45, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

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 * Responded with di-replaceable fair use disputed. -- Trevj (talk) 13:12, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Smile!

 * . How mysterious! -- Trevj (talk) 18:37, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

The Tea Leaf - Issue Two
Hi! Welcome to the second edition of The Tea Leaf, the official newsletter of the Teahouse! You are receiving The Tea Leaf after expressing interest or participating in the Teahouse! To remove yourself from receiving future newsletters, please remove your username here. -- Sarah (talk) 21:48, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Teahouse celebrates one month of being open! This first month has drawn a lot of community interest to the Teahouse. Hosts & community members have been working with the project team to improve the project in many ways including creating scripts to make inviting easier, exploring mediation processes for troubling guests, and best practices regarding mentoring for new editors who visit the Teahouse.
 * First month metrics report an average of 30 new editors visiting the Teahouse each week. Approximately 30 new editors participate in the Teahouse each week, by way of asking questions and making guest profiles. An average of six new questions and four new profiles are made each day. We'd love to hear your ideas about how we can spread the word about the Teahouse to more new editors.
 * Teahouse has many regulars. Like any great teahouse, our Teahouse has a 61% return rate of guests, who come back to ask additional questions and to also help answer others' questions. Return guests cite the speedy response rate of hosts and the friendly, easy to understand responses by the hosts and other participants as the main reasons for coming back for another cup o' tea!
 * Early metrics on retention. It's still too early to draw conclusions about the Teahouse's impact on new editor retention, but, early data shows that 38% of new editors who participate at the Teahouse are still actively editing Wikipedia 2-4 weeks later, this is compared with 7% from a control group of uninvited new editors who showed similar first day editing activity. Additional metrics can be found on the Teahouse metrics page.
 * Nine new hosts welcomed to the Teahouse. Nine new hosts have been welcomed to the Teahouse during month one: Chicocvenancio, Cullen328, Hallows AG, Jeffwang, Mono, Tony1, Worm That Turned, Writ Keeper, and Nathan2055. Welcome to the Teahouse gang, folks!
 * Say hello to the new guests at the Teahouse. Take the time to welcome and get to know the latest guests at the Teahouse. Drop off some wikilove to these editors today, as being welcomed by experienced editors is a really nice way to make new editors feel welcome.

DYK for Isochrone map
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:01, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- Trevj (talk) 03:54, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Easton Cowboys and Cowgirls


The article Easton Cowboys and Cowgirls has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * non notable club, fails WP:ORG

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Jezhotwells (talk) 23:17, 6 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I have removed the prod tag from Easton Cowboys and Cowgirls, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it.  If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the prod template back to the article.  Instead, feel free to list it at Articles for deletion.  Thanks! . -- Trevj (talk) 12:30, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Bernie Siegel
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 * ❌ -- Trevj (talk) 15:03, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Tau (2π)
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Science lovers wanted!

 * ❌ -- Trevj (talk) 14:58, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for BeingGirl
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- Trevj (talk) 05:42, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles/Conventions
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