User talk:Trevor-Fan

October 2012
Hello, I'm John. I wanted to let you know that I removed an external link you added, because it seemed to be inappropriate for an encyclopedia. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page, or take a look at our guidelines about links. Thank you. --John (talk) 18:25, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

John, You recently removed an external link to the TVR Car Club that I posted on the TVR page stating that it was inappropriate. I wonder if you could explain why you considered it inappropriate? TVR as an entity no longer exists and therefore, to obtain more information about the company, most people have to rely on the auspices of the Car Club as their source. The TVRCC is the only international club covering all models of TVRs, and therefore I would consider it entirely appropriate that Wiki readers might want to know where they can get more information. I accept that I am new to Wiki editing so I would appreciate your thoughts as to why that opinion is not shared by others. Trevor-Fan


 * See WP:ELNO.--John (talk) 07:57, 7 October 2012 (UTC)


 * John,
 * Thank you for redirecting me to the external links guidelines. I am afraid that I still do not see which one you seem to think I have contravened.  Perhaps you would be so kind as to highlight which particular one is relevant in this instance?

Trevor-Fan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trevor-Fan (talk • contribs) 13:37, 7 October 2012 (UTC)


 * If you read that you will see that we do not in general use external links which could not be used to improve the article, i.e. as reliable sources. If we disagree it may be that I am wrong, although I doubt it. We can ask other people for there opinions if you like. --John (talk) 21:42, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

January 2015
Please do not add or change Westland Lynx without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. The removals of valid cites (footnotes, sources) without provide replacement source are not helpful and need to stop. -Fnlayson (talk) 23:57, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

So what is one supposed to do when the cited reference is fundamentally wrong? I brought both aircraft - the Lynx HAS Mk3GM and Mk3 SGM into service and designed the Sandpiper IR camera. If you want Wikipedia to be as accurate as possible, you have to accept that sometimes the references are not correct. I have read Jon Lake's articles on the Lynx and they have multiple errors. Your choice; either you want people like me who were there, flew the aircraft and know the facts to correct the errors or you prefer to stick to journalist's sometimes vague interpretations of what they think is correct. If you want a reference to cite, you can use my flying log book! Trevor-Fan (talk) 09:06, 3 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Just add another reliable source for your changes as the message above requests. Others have to be able to verify sources by the way.  There should be other valid sources for it.  This should be discussed at Talk:Westland Lynx. -Fnlayson (talk) 16:21, 3 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately I have yet to find any publicly available reference book on the Lynx that gets all of the Gulf Modifications correct - hardly surprising given the pace that they were being introduced between 1987 and 1991 and the limited number of airframes to which they were fitted. This will be rectified in 2017 when hopefully my own book on the Maritime Lynx will be published by Crowood.  So in the interim, in order to put the correct information on the page, can I cite the Ministry of Defence's own Aircrew Manual for the Lynx (AP101c-1703-15A) which details all of these modifications?  (And which incidentally I edited, along with all other MOD rotary wing aircrew publications, from 2010 to 2013).  It is the definitive source, even more so than Westland's own manuals since most of these mods were Naval Service Modifications not Design Authority modifications, but unfortunately contains some classified material so is not available for general release even though the information that I am quoting in this article is unclassified.  It could be verified by anyone serving in the MOD who will have the appropriate clearances.  Trevor-Fan (talk) 23:04, 3 January 2015 (UTC)