User talk:Trevor MacInnis/Archive 6

WPAVIATION class=NA
Hello.

I noticed you change WPAVIATION class to NA from Cat. I think it should stay as "Cat", but the template should be changed. The reason is that it fits into WP assessment categories and its easier to manage categories on that level. With NA it's impossible to distinguish category articles and other articles. Thank you! Solarapex 03:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I noticed it here Category talk:Aerospace companies of the United States. Basically, it should fall into this directory Category:Articles by quality, if the template is developed correctly. There are categories for categories, lists, templates, etc. These categories also are used by different kind of bots. "NA" is usually used as the last resort. I'll change the template tomorrow (I did that for a couple of projects) and revert some of your changes if you don't mind. Solarapex 04:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

== brand new at this just thought I was looking for an encyclopedia - found that I was going to be a collaborator. I searched for [aerodyne] and found that the definition left something to be desired. So I drafted a proposal on the talk page. Don't know if asking you to take a look at it is the right answer but I saw that you had looked at it a few months ago and your name also indicates that you are a frequent article reviewer. Waafcdr 06:58, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

1345
Do you have a specific year in mind? More recent years would be far more difficult. Wrad (talk) 04:53, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Just wondered if you could help a bit with this article. There's a lot about scope, organization, maps, and images we're trying to sort out. Wrad (talk) 03:24, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Need your opinion
Hi, your name was dropped on my talk page--would you care to weigh in on this discussion? Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 20:11, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

XF-104
Hi Trevor, thanks for looking at the XF-104 article and adding corrections, I have been busy today adding a little text and many more inline refs. I am not entirely convinced by the use of 'first' and 'second' as headers, another editor did this, not sure if it is convention or if there is a better way. I am quite keen to help move some aviation articles up the quality ladder, we seem to hit opposition around the GA process. Cheers. Nimbus227 (talk) 13:50, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Trevor, could you have another look at this please, I did a lot of referencing work the day after your comments and must have forgotten about it. I believe that there is a ref in virtually every paragraph now. Cheers and thanks very much. I drive a DH82 Tiger Moth BTW, a bit slower than your machine! Nimbus227 (talk) 21:16, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, that was quick! Thanks very much. Nimbus227 (talk) 21:42, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

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Coordinate
Hi Trevor, I could do 'gliding' easily but I'm really not sure what needs to be done. There seems to be a pool of talent here (aircraft project) not quite knowing where it is going. We seem to have only one admin, the two Bills seem to lay down the policies?! Nimbus227 (talk) 03:07, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Reeve Aleutian Airways
Thanks for your comments. Re the photos, I've managed to get three photos of aircraft in Reeve Aleutian livery, but at the moment they are not free use photos. Am is discussion with the author about getting free use versions onto wikipedia. The photo of the Grumman Goose may be an ex-Reeve aircraft too. Other photos are used to illustrate the type of aircraft used. They will be replaced as and when I'm able to source and get permission to use photos of the actual aircraft involved. As for the variety of sources, that is a tricky one. Reeve Aleutian never was a large airline, so there isn't likely to be much else available apart from the Airliners magazine mentioned on this talk page, and I doubt that would add anything not already known. Mjroots (talk) 08:42, 9 January 2008 (UTC) P.S. N19906 is still at Anchorage as far as I know, if you're ever that way could you take a picture?
 * Would you please take another look at the article now, I have aded more refs to the main text, hopefully fulfilling the last criterion for B status as shown on the list. Mjroots (talk) 11:29, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Mayday
Actually, what is preferred is Mayday (Air Crash Investigation, Air Emergency) as the same episodes are aired worldwide, but under different show names. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:30, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

737
Thanks for the invitation. I am very interested in the 737 article. In fact, it was about #4-5 in my mental list of articles to re-write. It can be potentially be made into a FA but needs some work. Archtransit (talk) 18:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Where is the best place to put comments for the peer review articles, on their talk pages or on the peer review page? I tried to shuffle a table in the 737 article as an experiment but had big problems with the formatting so left it as it is. Nimbus227 (talk) 02:09, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

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Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation
I don't know why you are changing the archiving settings. Your change will put some of the 2007 data into what I think you intend to be the 2008 archive. One of the options in the settings is to have a by year archive. If that is what you want, let me know and I'll revise the header to have this happen automatically. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:38, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

William Anderson (RAAF officer)
Hi mate, saw your assessment of this one. Not a lot on his personal life but what there is I've put into a 'later life' section so pls see if you think that satisfies the remaining B-class criterion... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:19, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Orphan talk page
Trevor, can you look in on Talk:Cessna Citation Sovereign? It's an orphan talk page, the history shows someone wants it saved?!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Canglesea (talk • contribs) 04:32, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Greetings
Just wanted to say thanks for all of the work you've done on WikiProject Aviation. I stumbled upon you after you added a couple of templates and categories I was working on to the project, specifically Template:Future airport expansion and Template:Future airport.

As a fellow pilot I appreciate all that you've done. --Ng.j (talk) 09:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome
Thanks for the welcome to Project Aviation. I'm still getting my toes wet and trying to avoid jumping in the deep end, but I love it. Travellingcari (talk) 15:25, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

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Types of Airports
You should discuss renaming categories on CFD. Category:Types of Airports should not have been depopulated without a discussion. Or did I miss a discussion? Vegaswikian (talk) 20:16, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Since it was deleted, it is kind of late. However if there are differences in the subcats, it might be a good idea to do a group nomination to move everything to a common format.  Vegaswikian (talk) 20:37, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

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Hindenburg and Graf Zeppelin
HI Trev, I thought there was a separate provision for airship infoboxes? Can you check that? If a determination has been made to use an existing aircraft infobox then the LZ-127 Graf Zeppelin may also have to be changed. FWIW Bzuk (talk) 03:29, 28 January 2008 (UTC).

Airco DH 5
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 * Thanks for your response. You'll see that I've moved the discussion to the project talk page as you suggested.  After re-reading the discussion, I think I was coming to the conclusion that 'DH.5' was the best solution, but another editor (as he admitted) "bit the bullet" and moved the page to 'DH 5'.  Unless any there's any further change in the consensus, using 'DH.n' is probably best for all the DH articles and text.  There are a number of articles that use a different format, either 'DH n' or 'D.H.n' - do you concur that it would be better to make them all consistent with one agreed naming convention? -- MightyWarrior (talk) 23:46, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

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Glider task force
Hi Trevor, did this task force die? Shame if it did. I feel a bit guilty as I could have helped a lot with this (instructor for almost 20 years) but I spend my time on the powered articles. Cheers Nimbus227 (talk) 22:20, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Roger that, I was just a bit worried for some strange reason.Nimbus227 (talk) 23:04, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

1948 B-29 Lake Mead Crash
Hey thanks for the edit, any help is welcomed!Jon Holly (talk) 03:38, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

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Nador Int Airp
Hi Trevor, Tks for reassing the Nador International Airport page. Is it possible to specify what types of info really need changing/added to "grow" in clasification. Many tks, JanT (talk) 04:55, 16 June 2008 (UTC) (I do and will further read guidelines on the Wiki Avi proj page, but this is quite general, so some help for me as new member would be great. PS: Don't know how good your Dutch is but just added nl:Bonaire International Airport. After awaiting the first cmmts and chs I'll make an Eng version as well. JanT (talk) 04:57, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello!
Hello me, it's you from Tungsten Mine NT. Horray! - 208.114.191.62 (talk) 19:30, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

And Again. - 208.114.191.62 (talk) 21:12, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

3x, XXX
Errmm... OOPS! I have no idea how I messed that up. Thanks for fixing. --Geniac (talk) 18:42, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikinews Importer Bot
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 * Thanks. I was never the best with the coding. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 19:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

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Trouble ahead
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Just a heads up
I thought you might like to know that the Awards Center page has been deleted, along with its newsletter. :(

So, where do we go from here?

To new and even more interesting projects, of course!

As announced in the newsletter, I've been preparing to co-coordinate a large collaboration/competition called Around the World. It was going to be run at the Awards Center, but since that no longer exists, the collaboration will be hosted somewhere else.

Around the World will begin July 15th as planned - it's location will be announced soon.

It'll be a blast. In the competition, participants will be helping to develop over 200 pages (drafts, which will be moved to article space once they are ready), using advanced tools to edit every single one of them!

This is going to be interesting.

And the event shall have awards which are being created specifically for it as we speak!

If you would like me to keep you informed of this and other interesting collaborations I'll be working on and/or organizing in the future, please drop me a note on my talk page, and I'll be happy to keep you in the know.

I look forward to your reply.

Sincerely,

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I need your feedback...
Which of the following medals looks better. This one:



Or this one:



Which one do you like better?

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Thank you.

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What is Around the World?
It's a collaboration!

A collaboration using advanced wiki-tools!

If everything goes according to plan, it will begin on July 15th.

The event is being co-sponsored by Wikiproject Lists of basic topics and WikiProject Geography, and participants will be "traveling" all around "the World" visiting each country online (here on Wikipedia and perhaps beyond) as they apply advanced wiki-tools to improve pieces of the profiles of each and every country on Earth!. Each pass through these pages is a "trip around the World..."

The set of pages we are working on is currently located at WikiProject Lists of basic topics.

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And since you are moving from country to country, the tasks make it feel like you are traveling around the world, and you get to learn a little about every country as you do so. This approach also allows for greater efficiency, because by the time you've done 30 or so of a particular item, you've figured out how to finish it faster and more effectively (such as where to find the data or how to make adjustments), and this specialization speeds up development - but more importantly it reduces errors.

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There are only about 200 more pages to go!

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WikiProject Years
Hey Trevor. It looks like you are one of the few editors that are still around from this wikiproject. I am trying to revamp the page. We just had a big discussion on the project talk page about how to implement summaries and I'm trying to figure out what to change and where. I think the scope of the project is outdated. I really need some help deciding how this project should move forward. We've gotten two new members recently, so it looks like the beginnings of a revival, but if you could step in and add to the discussion that would be a HUGE help. Wrad (talk) 18:08, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Years
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Aviation terms
Hi! I sow this on your „To-do list“: List of aviation, aerospace and aeronautical terms. I did something likewise on Croatian Wikibooks and I will be delighted if you can use English part of the lists (of course without translation :-))))) and save you time.

Best regards-- D   tom  17:27, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Excellent work!
Heh, thanks, nice to know time spent is appreciated ;). =) Do you think the other templates need restoring aswell..? —  Ree dy  16:37, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Aerospecs - feedback?
Hi Trevor. Since you've used Aerospecs over a range of aircraft types and were an early and enthusiastic proponent of this template (thanks!), I was wondering whether you've noticed anything missing? As in - as you've used this template to document aircraft, are there any fields that have been conspicuously absent when compared to the source data you've used? --Rlandmann (talk) 23:02, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

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Mark E. Kelly
What does Mark E. Kelly need to be class B. Where's the checklist? I had deleted the other assessment because it was different than the bio addessment.

I'd like to take him up to class B on aviation and living people? I've seen the rating scale but not the checklist you refer to--unless it's just part of the rating scale.--Utahredrock (talk) 16:58, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Spitfire Articles
I appreciate the "heads up" on renaming the Spitfire variants articles, and I've added my thoughts to the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aircraft section. I'll put some more thoughts into this, but i'm happy to go with whatever other editors want to go with, and I'll help as much as possible, although work commitments means my time is more limited than it was a few months ago. Cheers! Minorhistorian (talk) 23:25, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Having put some thought into this I think your ideas as to the new titles Supermarine Spitfire (early Merlin powered variants) are the way to go and, with the agreement of other editors, let the cutting and pasting begin.Minorhistorian (talk) 23:01, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

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Engine specs
Hi Trevor - just a quick note about a quirk of aerospecs since I've seen you run foul of it a couple of times now. If you trim out the "eng2" parameters from the template, an extra "each" will display at the end of eng1 line, even if it's a single-engine type (see here).

When I designed aerospecs, I'll admit that I didn't account for people occasionally removing lines from the code (let alone some people who've made a systematic crusade out of doing so!) and what effect that would have on the output. I've got a more robust version in development, but for now, please leave the eng2 parameters in there, whatever else you trim out!

PS: I removed your addition of the genhide and perfhide fixes from aerostart - we so seldom need to use these that they're probably better added on a case-by-case basis, as required. --Rlandmann (talk) 22:40, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Moroccan airports
Tks for fast reviewing my edits/contr to the two Moroccan airports. For Ibn Batouta International Airport I removed the stub-template on the article page. But when I look on Talk it seems a C-class - or do I misunderstand the class-system. Also the classification of Al Massira Airport is said to be stub on talk.

Can you check what is correct - I don't want to change templates before I really know how they should be used. Tks again, --JanT (talk) 01:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Ji'an or Jinggangshan Airport
The Ji'an or Jinggangshan is same Airport. I know it very well. Because I live in Ji'an and studying medicine in Jinggangshan University. I have also visited the Jinggangshan Airport. So I would request to delete the Ji'an Airport article. Its original name is Jinggangshan Airport.--Kaish (talk) 15:35, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

WPAVIATION creator
I like it! Only one (small) gripe: the sources section presume using certain books. Might leave the title/location fields open. (Not that changing them is hard to fix...) If you leave it alone, I'd still use it. TREKphiler  hit me ♠  22:12, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I just copied Template:aerostart that User:Rlandmann uses. I'll remove the refs part. - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 22:20, 4 August 2008 (UTC)