User talk:Trichuris trichiura/Archives/2012/August

Blocked
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing as an undisclosed alternate account editing in violation of the sockpuppetry policy. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. T. Canens (talk) 14:48, 21 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Daniel Case, is it permitted to add more comments here? I notice that this seem to have stalled, and while other editors have been making comments about me elsewhere I cannot respond there. Thanks, T. trichiura Infect me 13:40, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Since you keep denying that you edited with other accounts its probably a good idea to ask this question: which IP addresses have you used to edit Wikipedia other than 174.231.131.187, 174.231.135.21, 174.231.136.247, 174.231.144.119, 174.251.4.59 and 174.253.20.153? Have you ever edited User talk:Leontopodium alpinum? Arcandam (talk) 17:38, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've requested clarification of the reason for the initial declined unblock request. Nobody Ent 01:52, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think your unblock request as written will be successful; a little more groveling (but not an admission of guilt) is likely required, and you should indicate whether you've IP edited. Someone somewhere (forgot, sorry) described your comments on my talk page pejoratively, which I disagree with; had I found them inappropriate I would have ignored them instead of replying. For whatever contribution to your "bad" edit history they generated I'm sorry.
 * Specifically, you'd probably wanna say something about accepting the community's judgement that you jumped into the Wikipedia / drama / politics inappropriately for a new editor and you'll concentrate your futures edits in project space. (which you've kind of said already, I realize.) Nobody Ent 02:14, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * LOL. Stop pretending he is a new user.

"assume good faith" doesn't mean "to the point of self-imposed idiocy"
 * Please read WP:DUCK. Indicating "whether you've IP edited" is obviously not enough. We know he did, and we know which IP's he used. Arcandam (talk) 02:24, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comment, Nobody Ent. I do accept that I probably contributed to the 'admin' areas prematurely as many in the community have indicated, and that at a minimum a strong record of contributions to articles seems necessary to participate in the other side. I really didn't think that it would all snowball into this mess. I would really just like to constructively contribute to the encyclopedia and avoid drama in the future. I've tried to maintain a civil discourse and will do so in the future. As to your question about IP editing, I would like to be very clear that I haven't ever edited as those IPs another user listed here. I'm sure I've made small grammatical and spelling corrections without an account over the years, but I've never edited seriously and have certainly never been disruptive. I'd like to give a real 'go' to editing here properly with an account and I'm sorry that it's started in this negative way. Thanks again for your input. T. trichiura Infect me 14:24, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * So, which IP adressess did you use? Arcandam (talk) 16:37, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * According to checkuser, Trichuris trichiura has never edited from those IP addresses and locates to a different area. There are no other accounts on Trichuris trichiura's IP addresses, nor any apparent relations on the IP range s/he's on. Arcandam, while assuming good faith is not a suicide pact, it also does not imply that you should assume the worst of editors without any supporting evidence. Please stop editing this page; your comments here are not helpful. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 02:35, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hersfold; I am as you know not a checkuser. I am aware, however, of the limitations within which the checkuser tool may legitimately be used. As I see from your comment that you has used your WP:CU ability in this case, are you able to comment on the initial claim of sockpuppetry made by the blocking admin?--Anthony Bradbury"talk" 14:41, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * As there were no apparent relations to other accounts, the technical evidence does not support a claim of sockpuppetry. Of course, Checkuser cannot prove a negative, so that's all I can say. Hers fold  non-admin (t/a/c) 15:54, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I would add that if I had an alleged sockmaster to compare against, I might be able to give a more useful answer, but as I understand it this user was blocked simply because they looked like a sock. Hers fold  non-admin (t/a/c) 16:05, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * That is one of the reasons why your comments here are not helpful. Maybe you should've asked... Arcandam (talk) 16:32, 3 August 2012 (UTC) p.s. You may want to read this comment and WP:CLEANSTART and WP:ILLEGIT
 * You're beginning to annoy. I did read that comment, and I'm quite familiar with both of those policies, being a checkuser and arbitrator. The comment can be summarized as "this user is being problematic in project space; they don't look like they're new to the wiki, so I'll assume that they're someone's sock and agree that they should be blocked on those grounds." If this account is an undisclosed alternate account of someone, that is indeed an issue, per the policies you noted. However, there is no evidence other than an administrator's hunch and your assumptions of bad faith to indicate that this is the case. Trichuris has never claimed a clean start, so I'm not sure why you're still bringing that up. If Trichuris's edits are proving to be problematic, then they should be blocked (most likely temporarily) on those grounds, however I see nothing to indicate that they are not being entirely honest in their unblock appeal; thus an indefinite block for being a sock seems to be quite inappropriate to me. If there is a suspected sock account, then by all means mention it and stop making snarky comments. If all you have is the IP addresses listed above, I've already noted that Trichuris is unrelated to them. Hers fold  non-admin (t/a/c) 21:08, 3 August 2012 (UTC)