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The Transhuminist created or greatly influenced the portal guidelines. They are the undisputed project leader. They knew full well that a large portion of the community wanted to kill the whole Portal namespace yet he took the influx of uninformed editors that he created by nass tagging portals as permission to radically increase the number of portals why decreasing the quantity. Second, this discussion is hosted at AN (which is highly watched) but also showing in full at WP:CSD talk where we would normally create CSD criteria. It is also advertised at Village pump and linked from other locations so your comments should be reexamined. Cheers Legacypac (talk) 04:28, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

As far as the location of the discussion is concerned, it’s fairly difficult to ignore the not one, not two but three threatening edit notices warning non-administrators that their contribution to AN is probably not welcome. That the rules technically allow non-admins to comment on this discussion is not really relevant: this is an issue of perception and making policy in a venue which generally discourages wide participation is poor form.

Moreover, hosting this content issue in the same forum as the discussion about the conduct issue relating to TTH is inappropriate. You and a variety of other editors seem to be conflating the two, arguing that TTH’s behaviour in creating the portals was unacceptable (which I agree with) and therefore all the portals thus created should be nuked from orbit. Plainly, this is faulty logic. As other have observed, the presence of potentially useful – if esoteric – portals among the creations calls into question whether a "delete on sight" policy is actually appropriate.

Perhaps most importantly, none of this actually addresses the main thrust of my !vote, which is that these portals are doing no great harm to the encyclopaedia and thus there is no reason to be hasty in "dealing" with them. No one is under any obligation to maintain them and so the argument that they "take editor time away from content" is faulty. Triptothecottage (talk) 22:56, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Extend that logic to articles and we can toss out WP:N and WP:V. We need appropriate guidelines and rules around what we have as portals. Legacypac (talk) 19:07, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

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Beaver Field
Might be worth posting on the talk page of the user who added the copyrighted text to Beaver Field, not just me (all I did was create the page as a redirect 15 years ago). --Spangineerws (háblame)  14:05, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Bummer, sorry, forgot I was on the "old" end of the New Pages queue. Triptothecottage (talk) 23:51, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

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Adding another sock to the report after a block has been recommended, making it look like I've also recommended a block of your new sock... tut, tut! I trust you'll give yourself an appropriate amount of time on the naughty step. Cabayi (talk) 11:35, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, sorry... was just trying to be helpful. Best way to add another suspected sock in the limbo between clerking and administrative action, for future reference? Triptothecottage (talk) 11:38, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I know I asked the same question years ago and I can't find the answer I received. I think a useful rule of thumb is, once it's been taken further than you could take it under your own steam, start a new case. In this case, once the article's been deleted, and hopefully salted, the IP will be ineffectual and nothing need be done. Happy editing, Cabayi (talk) 11:49, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

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Hi, I've noticed you've undid my additions. I am willing to talk more about it. I'd like to add at least the stuff I've put in See also. Fauzi (talk) 11:25, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

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If a user hasn't been blocked, or you can't provide evidence of ban violation that doesn't involve a block (e.g. a topic ban), don't tag for G5, period. Nyttend (talk) 04:46, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:G5 says that the edit or page must have been made while the user was actually banned or blocked. User:Selim Shaikh was indeffed in mid-February. This page was created in mid-March, by a user since confirmed to be a sock of SS. Isn't that textbook block evasion? What am I missing here? Triptothecottage (talk) 05:04, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

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Midlife Cowboy
I understand your point of view, but Tony Hawks is pretty well known in the UK and I don't think the production will have any problem achieving notability in the long term. The draft is a message to the article creator to do the work required - to make him/her understand what we're about.Deb (talk) 08:29, 15 July 2019 (UTC)


 * PS: The books Round Ireland with a Fridge and Playing the Moldovans at Tennis are also likely to achieve the notability standard quite easily. I'll do some work on that myself.Deb (talk) 08:35, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * PPS: I've had another go with ROWAF, if you'd like to check it out. Deb (talk) 11:21, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Nicely done with ROWAF. That was why I redirected instead of a deletion nom; the book definitely looked worth an article but what we had was about the movie. I'll keep an eye on the Midlife Cowboy draft and see if the creator's interested in bringing it up to scratch :) Triptothecottage (talk) 12:16, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Deletion if Eva Lewarne bio
Hi. I've just seen the discussion and the outcome. I'm very sorry because I spent a lot of time for editing and, to be honest, I find the decision unfair. I contribute to Wiki Italia and En since 2012, you can check it out on both my accounts and you can see I'm not new to create Wikipedia articles without objections or any other problem. I love editing. I do it because Wikipedia is a noble project and, trust me, I would never create an article for promotional reasons! Regards Clelia Albano Clelia albano (talk) 14:06, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
 * If you have been contributing to enWP since 2012, then you should know that WP:N is a very important part of how we do things. Your article did not clearly indicate notability and you did not offer any evidence of notability to the deletion discussion. Triptothecottage (talk) 21:58, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

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Moors murders
Hi Triptothecottage, can I ask you to clarify something you said earlier on the FAR page? You wrote: "For what it's worth, while in the majority of cases highlighted by EEng I found the article to be verifiable ...". Did you look at Topping, and if so did you find that the majority of "failed verification" issues that were sourced to Topping were indeed in Topping, or not? SarahSV (talk) 05:16, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I didn’t have access to Topping, as I made clear on the article talk page. Instead I made the good faith assumption that the “verification failures” were indeed issues (and none had been rebutted at the time I verified it). So, I set about sourcing the statements to what I believed to be higher-quality sources out of what I had available. In many cases it was enough to swap one cite for another, without changing the prose. In some cases, I altered the prose slightly to match what I had in front of me; in those instances I can’t say for certain what Topping (or Staff) might have said, but I doubt the article is worse off for it. The remaining cases were those where the article as written contradicted the sources. I cross-checked these carefully, and replaced the previous single source with multiple sources. The obvious example is the controversy about Smith’s contract with the News of the World: I concluded that the details given in an academic chapter devoted to the incident were likely more accurate than the contradictions in Topping and whoever else.
 * I hope that clears things up. I could have worded my comment better. Triptothecottage (talk) 05:31, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you for clarifying. Perhaps you could clarify on the FAR page that you haven't seen Topping. At the moment, I believe the only editors other than the original authors who have seen that source are EEng and Victoria. This is something the FAR coordinators might want to know. It wasn't possible to rebut the "failed verification" tags quickly because Topping isn't easy to get hold of, and inter-library loans take weeks. Victoria has said she will send me page scans, so I will try to find time to look through Topping myself. Thanks again, SarahSV (talk) 05:59, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

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