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Placement of refs in the English Wikipedia
Hi, I understand the logic of your placement of references at Potamogeton acutifolius, but see MOS:REFPUNC – the English Wikipedia places refs after full stops and commas. Peter coxhead (talk) 12:23, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Groan! I've just been editing these so that they go before full stops and commas. I wasn't aware of the Wikipedia style which, frankly, defies all normal English punctuation rules. But hey ho, life is too short and I'm more focussed at the moment on slowly working my way through British aquatic plants (especially Potamogeton, which are currently pretty minimalist to say the least.

Good to see others are reading (and hopefully using) these pages though. Suggestions on additional content welcome. Regards, Tristan 17:47 20 November 2014 (GMT)


 * I quite understand the groan! The English Wikipedia has a range of what seem to me quite idiosyncratic style "rules". (Another one is that sentence case should be used in section/subsection headings, so "Ecology and Conservation" should be "Ecology and conservation".)
 * One other point: MOS:IMAGES says "avoid sandwiching text between two images that face each other, or between an image and infobox, navigation template, or similar." If you view Wikipedia on a small screen (e.g. a tablet) it can look very bad when there's an image + text + another image side by side. So I moved the images to the right. Left-placed images only really work in long articles.
 * It's always good to see more plant articles, especially ones as well-written and as carefully referenced as Potamogeton acutifolius. Are you aware of the resources at WP:PLANTS, including the template at WP:PLANTS/Template? (The text of the template has grown far too much, in my view, but the section headings are useful.) For perfection at Potamogeton acutifolius there could be a short "Taxonomy" section. Peter coxhead (talk) 19:48, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks Peter, will fix images. Would the sort of additional information in the taxon box under P. compressus be suitable? Also will take a look at the template.


 * For an example of a very brief Taxonomy section see, e.g., Roscoea ganeshensis § Taxonomy. One reason why this is considered worthwhile is that there are categories of the form "Plants described in YEAR" (it really means "plant described in YEAR") which can be added to species articles. Providing a reference for who named the species and when it was named supports this categorization. The Taxonomy section is also often a good place to explain the origin of the specific epithet. I don't think it's usually sensible to have long lists of synonyms in the Taxonomy section unless they need discussing.  The taxobox is usually better. (An example of where I thought a discussion was useful is Lophospermum scandens § Taxonomy.) Peter coxhead (talk) 14:45, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Now there's a coincidence - Bill Baker was at university with me - I remember him raising money to go out on that expedition - looking for Pleione forrestii as I remember? Should be no problem adding this section, and also would be a good place to discuss / link to related taxa. The template you mentioned is comprehensive but quite daunting isn't it? Perhaps also more relevant to terrestrial species in places, and I personally would put habitat information under Ecology, not Distribution.

I would not describe myself as a taxonomist, but I am familiar with the basic naming conventions.


 * The small world phenomenon strikes again, I guess!
 * Yes, the plants template is daunting. It used to be quite reasonable, but over the last couple of years or so people have kept adding to it, which I think is a mistake. Perhaps there needs to be another page with an "outline template". There's certainly no need to keep to the template too rigidly; if habitat goes better under ecology (which I think it may often do), then put it there. Peter coxhead (talk) 18:37, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Editing Potamogeton pages
For information, I have been substantially editing the following pages on pondweeds (Potamogeton): Potamogeton (genus) - needs a major edit. Potamogeton alpinus - largely complete. Potamogeton acutifolius - largely complete Potamogeton praelongus - minor updates needed Potamogeton lucens - updates needed Potamogeton perfoliatus - updates needed Potamogeton gramineus - largely complete Potamogeton compressus - updates needed Potamogeton polygonifolius - updates needed Potamogeton berchtoldii - updates needed Potamogeton crispus - updates needed Potamogeton x griffithii - updates needed

Comments on any of the above welcome. Tristan Tristan He (talk) 15:43, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

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