User talk:Tristessa de St Ange/Archive 9

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Could you please explain this? - F ASTILY  (TALK) 05:16, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like an edit conflict that didn't trigger a conflict. Regardless, we both said the same thing, I was just a bit more verbose and you warned the user. --Tristessa (talk) 05:18, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

98.149.130.105 Block
24 hours is long enough if you look at this IP's block history. HkCaGu (talk) 06:29, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi HkCaGu: Thanks for your message. I did block for 24 hours (as noted on the user talk page), so did you mean it's too short because of the prior history? I felt it was worth not blocking for any longer than this unless a repeat occurs after this current 24 hour block, as it may possibly be a shared IP address. --Tristessa (talk) 06:41, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry my mistake, I meant not long enough. HkCaGu (talk) 07:29, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure this IP, as far as Wikipedia editing is concern, has been used by the same person since the first edit on March 30, 2011. It has no real contribution and is pretty much vandalism-only. The only subject of editing has been Southern Californian and Mexican radio and TV stations. It was blocked for 2 days, then 3 days after expiration, for three days, then 1 day after expiration, for 1 month, then 1 day after expiration, for 3 months--that expired on September 6. Immediately it began slow rounds of vandalism on the same articles and managed to escape attention until today. This person has no intent on appealing anything either--the only talk page editing was to blank contents to trick people of his history. This is why I believe a long term block is necessary. HkCaGu (talk) 07:28, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

MangoWong continues to make accusations but refuses to take it to ANI
Greetings, I tried to speak my piece and leave MW an olive branch on his Talk. I and a bunch of other folks who edit Indian caste articles, including folks who've clashed in the past, are sorting things out over at Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics and coming to some agreement. MangoWong, however, continues to loudly insist that Sitush and I are actually ruining caste articles, and when told to take it to ANI he and another disaffected editor insist that ANI is "biased" and they both refuse to go to it (diffs).

If he's going to continue making huge accusations about Sitush and I adding "lies", "defamatory content", etc. but refuses to take it to ANI, what are we supposed to do about it? Evidently Sitush and I are doing something so terribly ungodly and wrong that he's compelled to show up on a large number of caste pages, revert our work, wikilawyer every tiniest point in our edits, while completely failing to help out in any cleanup of blatantly incorrect/POV/uncited text that we few are trying to fix. So basically he's complaining that a crime is being committed, but refuses to go to the police, so he's just going to keep hanging out on the corner and loudly proclaiming that we're criminals? This is simply not a sustainable course of action. I debated putting this on his page, partially because I don't want to fell like I'm narc'ing on someone, but he's already told Sitush not to post on his page, and yells at Q. accusing him of being a "blot" on adminship whenever Q tries to mediate issues on MW's Talk.

Your call as an outsider, but I submit that he either needs to stop insisting that absolute travesties are being committed, or else find, somewhere amongst the DR options, some place where he can actually feel he's getting a fair hearing in "exposing" us. Though part of me suspects that no matter how many uninvolved people tell him he's reading the wrong things into the situation, he'll insist that they're biased Westerners, demand "an Indian admin", when confronted with any of the WP:INDIA Indian editors who disagree with him will claim they're biased in some other way, and will darkly comment upon "someday, when we get enough real Indian editors we'll be able to fix all this biased material..." MatthewVanitas (talk) 05:43, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I feel this is somewhat like the proverbial situation where a drunk, driving the wrong way down the highway and smashing into other cars continually, hears on the radio that there's a drunk driving the wrong way down the highway causing havoc. He looks out of his windscreen, seeing the cars driving towards him, and mutters to himself, "There's hundreds of them!"
 * I am absolutely certain that MW is well-meaning and trying to do what he believes to be editorially necessary, and I am also certain that he genuinely believes the WP:INDIA articles have a systemic bias. I believe also he feels, by extension, that since the content (in his eyes) is biased, the editors must be biased also. I tried, as you read, to discuss the issues with him, but his reply was not particularly useful and I really don't think I made any progress whatsoever towards him getting the point. But we must also reflect on the fact that he has resolutely failed to engage in meaningful dialogue with other Wikipedians (including me), that his eccentric interpretation of Wikipedia's policies is largely self-exculpatory and used as a justification for his own efforts, and that the problem is localised to his editing only. Therefore, a cost-benefit analysis is necessary and I believe that a topic ban from the WP:INDIA articles would be appropriate; he has regretfully become a "tendentious editor", irrespective of his ethics and motives.
 * I suggest that a topic ban is drafted and posted to AN/I for a community vote (this should be noted on the WP:INDIA noticeboard). He is disrupting article progress on a wide diaspora of articles with little net content of his being kept, and is not being productive in this topic area. After he's been forced to edit in other subjects for a while I wonder if he might get the picture a little more, and the ban can of course be reviewed then. --Tristessa (talk) 16:33, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

MedCab closure
Tristessa,

Do you have any objection to me clerkishly closing Mediation Cabal/Cases/14 September 2011/Jeff Frederick? It's been more than a week since the requesting editor's block expired, so there's every appearance that they're not coming back. Best regards, TransporterMan  ( TALK ) 00:32, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Δ
Our paths don't seem to have crossed previously, but I was pleasantly surprised by your post at User talk:Δ. Thanks for taking the time to pronounce more eloquently and delicately what I (and others) try to make clear in a probably more blunt and less effective way. Let's hope that your friendly advice / plea strikes a chord with Δ. Fram (talk) 09:20, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Survey
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Note to self
User:Jnothman/afd_helper --Tristessa (talk) 07:02, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Confirmation diff. --Tristessa (talk) 04:29, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Palazzolo
Hi Tristessa - don't mean to badger you but what news of your mediation on Palazzolo? --Fircks (talk) 08:23, 2 October 2011 (UTC) Hi Tristessa - further to my last message I have discovered that Palazzolo's BLP has been transcribed by someone to Facebook as his page. Which is an appropriation of his rights as a free man. The sooner we can resolve the issue of his BLP, the better. When can you do this? Thanks--Fircks (talk) 09:37, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Tristessa - just a gentle prod regarding Palazzolo. I say this because the mills keep turning, against him. There was an article in a major paper linking him recently to what they described as a serious Mafiosi, who was in fact found innocent in court and died, anyway, in 2006. What I'm saying is that your timely intervention and help is important. --Fircks (talk) 04:58, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi Tristessa - it's an auspicious day, 11/11/11, and here's hoping you might continue the mediation of Palazzolo's case. I don't know how else to get something to happen on this case, except to keep reminding you. With thanks, as ever - --Fircks (talk) 05:19, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

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RFA -
Hi - I was looking for your RFA to further investigate your contributions and I am getting a redlink Requests_for_adminship/Tristessa_de_St_Ange - could you please direct me to the relevant discussion thanks - Off2riorob (talk) 20:39, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh sure, it's on Requests for adminship/NicholasTurnbull, my old username (way back in 2005). --Tristessa (talk) 20:42, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * By the way: I understand your point re current article contributions, and I've been more active in WP:DR than I have in mainspace for a long time. But this would surely be a policy suggestion that would need to be proposed; there's no policy that currently stands which prohibits admins from performing admin tasks if they have under a certain number of mainspace edits, and I feel the judgement I've made in this situation appears to be satisfactory. If there is a good reason why the block should be lifted, particularly whether there's proof to show he'll listen in future, then I'll lift the block. I'm not seeing any right now, though. --Tristessa (talk) 20:46, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

ANI
Just so you'll know, I've brought a matter up at ANI here and mentioned your name, feel free to comment. Dayewalker (talk) 23:20, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

LGBT rights in the Commonwealth
Hi - things have been moving on recently around this issue and media coverage has increased, reflecting recent political developments. Now that the Commonwealth Secretary General has made a historic inclusion around LGBT rights in a speech he gave yesterday (plus the interventions of the PMs of Britaina and Australia), do you perhaps feel more reassured that the article has some substanse now and is neither OR or synthesis? In which case perhaps we would agree to take it off the list of articles for review? Contaldo80 (talk) 08:57, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

ANI
Ive removed the link to the script. It is not ready for mass usage yet, there are still some bugs that I am working out (it sometimes will remove a paragraph instead of just the targeted file, which is one example) Once it becomes stable for mass usage Ill make it public. But until that time I really dont want to hear bitching about it breaking pages when some clueless user uses that tool. ΔT The only constant 01:49, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

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Status of Vito Roberto Palazzolo
Tristessa, Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/Vito Roberto Palazzolo has became stale. I don't mean to be obnoxious, but this is the second recent case you have taken then allowed to go stale. I'm not sure if there are extenuating real-life circumstances that have prevented you from being active, or if there is a reason why you are unable to progress the mediation past its current stage, but we cannot have our cases languishing in the way that this one is. Please could you indicate what the status of the case is, and whether you are going to push the case on soon? Also, in future, please do not assign yourself to a case if you are unable to follow your commitment through; mediation is not especially time-consuming, and I think we would all prefer that a case be assigned to somebody who can remain active. If you would prefer to discuss this privately, my e-mail is open. If I don't hear from you within the next couple of days, I'll embrace BOLD and assign the case to another mediator. Thank you, AGK  [&bull; ] 14:20, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

ANI notice re: MangoWong
Just letting you know that I have linked to some comments on your talk page at Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents. - Sitush (talk) 00:51, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

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Hello
Ohai, didn't realize you were still active (or again :-) --Kim Bruning (talk) 00:42, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

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Savolax Infantry Regiment
Hi Tristessa de St Ange. I noticed you placed a cleanup-reorganize tag to the article Savolax Infantry Regiment. Just asking if you could tell me specifically what needs to be done here. Thanks - Vought109 (talk) 23:03, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Request for Comments on Representation
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Betacommand
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Ole Nydahl article
Please take a look at the Ole Nydahl article. For many years now, followers have supressed or diminished the criticism section. The matter has been discussed at length and the issue of including the relevant critisim, such as him sleeping with his own students, admitting it to a newspaper, and another large newspaper featuring it, is something which Nydahl's followers continuously supress regardless of the arguments. Even though the proponents of including this critique win, the proponents then leave and then the followers creep back. It is always the same followers over the years. The net result is that even when the properly sourced criticism is added, it is reduced again after some time. Time and again, people ask the followers to use the Talk page, but they only do so when pressed. I do not know much about Wikipedia editing but you can contact me at coreheim |at| gmail.com if need be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.150.118.208 (talk) 12:58, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

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March 2012
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did at User talk:Xanderliptak, you may be blocked from editing. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:03, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi there Zebedee: Please can you tell me why you left me a disruptive editing warning? The user's banned from editing their talk page; I'm just an uninvolved admin in the AN/I thread who checked initially to see if he was talk-banned; found he was, and figured you'd just forgotten to blank the talk page (there's no point in leaving his comments/refused unblock requests lying around). Have I missed something? Cheers, --Tristessa (talk) 17:08, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi. Apologies - I hadn't realised who you were, and it just looked like he'd started socking to blank his Talk page, having been socking recently. I'd thought that blocked users should have their block and block review messages preserved, but I guess I'm mistaken - I'll go revert myself right away. Sorry again. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:14, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for taking action on Manik Sarkar. I'm not sure it's going to help much in the long run but it's a good place to start. Best wishes Span (talk) 23:46, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

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Talkback
The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 01:33, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanx
Just to thank you for having solved the case of the IP obsessed with numbers. Seems that another user has spotted that the same user has been making the same edits from other IP adresses, but lets hope he gets the message this time and stops messing articles. Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 06:34, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Hullabaloo Wolfowitz
Actually, it would appear to me that HW was indeed reverting massive NFCC violations in that article. What makes you think that the trivial typos that he fixed at the same time were his real intention, thus making his edits to be only "under the colour of WP:NFCC"? Repair of WP:NFCC violations have always been exempt from WP:3RR.&mdash;Kww(talk) 18:47, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

The images are indubitably violations of WP:NFCC, so the "unquestionable" exemption applies. Sharkentile doesn't have a leg to stand on. If I had come upon this problem, I would have indefed Sharkentile until he agreed to comply with WP:NFCC.&mdash;Kww(talk) 18:57, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

An indefinite block isn't an infinite one. Most of mine only last a few minutes, until the editor agrees to comply with policy. In this case, you'be blocked HW for complying with policy, implicitly rewarding Sharkentile for violating it. The dispute between HW and Sharkentile seems focused on the NFCC question, and HW is well within his rights to revert indefinitely and without limit. The question isn't "is there some way that the article could be modified to become NFCC compliant?", the question is "in it's current form, is the usage NFCC compliant?". The uses don't currently comply, and have to be removed until a compliant form can be found. They don't get retained awaiting compliance.&mdash;Kww(talk) 20:02, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Dispute resolution survey
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Reply
I don't see all criticism against me as an attack. Dingley seems to be going on tirades towards my behavior, as he AFDed EVERY SINGLE REDIRECT I made in the past couple weeks, and filed both the RFC/U and ANI thread on me. I know I'm going to be opposed since I often am more blunt than other editors, but Dingley's behavior seems borderline tendentious. Also as I've said, I often find myself talking to a wall whenever I try to initiate discussion — either no one discusses anything, or I just enter an infinite loop that devolves into a duck season/rabbit season exchange. That said, I have reined in the redirection for now anyway — not out of fear of Dingley insta-reverting, but because I tend to do certain types of edits in cycles. How else do you propose I go about the whole discussion thing, which never seems to work for me? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:56, 8 April 2012 (UTC)


 * as he AFDed EVERY SINGLE REDIRECT
 * Please withdraw that, as it is quite incorrect. In the 50+ Viz character articles you blanked and redirected, I AfDed some of those that I considered notable enough to be kept. Unlike your actions in bulk-blanking the whole list because you consider all "Viz characters" to be inherently non-notable, I considered each article on its merits. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:31, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

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Arab Chamber of Commerce
The discussion was closed without a result of delete, and per the intro to WP:CSD, "If a page has survived its most recent deletion discussion, it should not be speedy deleted except for newly discovered copyright violations." As that page further instructs you, the correct procedure is to create a second AFD. Nyttend (talk) 03:44, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not
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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Heroes
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Request for comment on Theosophy page and Theosophy Talk page
Hello,

An editor of the Theosophy article and its Talk page created a Request for Comment involving both the article and its Talk page. Now I'm asking five to ten uninvolved editors from the religion/philosophy section of Wikipedia:Feedback request service to comment on the Theosophy Talk page.

If you are able and willing to comment that would be appreciated.

Sincerely,

Factseducado (talk) 23:10, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

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Please comment on Talk:The Legend of Korra
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Please comment on Talk:Sister Roma
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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision
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Please comment on Talk:List of apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic fiction
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The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)
Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page. In this issue: Read the entire first edition of The Olive Branch -->
 * Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
 * Research: The most recent DR data
 * Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
 * Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
 * DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
 * Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
 * Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?

--The Olive Branch 19:35, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

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Please comment on Talk:Michael C. Seto
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Please comment on Talk:Urination
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Please comment on Talk:Urine
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Please comment on Talk:La Luz del Mundo
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Please comment on Talk:Dale Bozzio
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Please comment on Talk:Koch brothers
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Please comment on Talk:Marvel Studios
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WP:DRN
Did you notice how WP:DRN looks suspiciously cabalistic? ;-) --Kim Bruning (talk) 06:05, 4 February 2013 (UTC)


 * If you'd just come to the meetings, Kim... Best regards, TransporterMan  ( TALK ) 15:27, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The non-meeting meetings of the non-existing people at the non-existent location? ;-) -Kim Bruning (talk) 22:09, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Per the non-schedule. — TransporterMan  ( TALK ) 22:58, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Frank L. VanderSloot
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MfD nomination of Mediation Cabal 2.0
Mediation Cabal 2.0, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal 2.0 and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Mediation Cabal 2.0 during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you.  S ven M anguard  Wha?  23:54, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Some kids have no sense of history and should get off my lawn ;-). That said, this kind of thing does need active defence and maintenance to work. --Kim Bruning (talk) 13:37, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Lindsay Lohan
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Please comment on Talk:Stephen King
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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Overcategorization
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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Conflict Resolution
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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not
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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Vital articles
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RFC/Photo gallery
Should a photo gallery be removed? See Requests_for_comment/Request_board GeorgeLouis (talk) 17:35, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:George Maharis
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Please comment on Talk:Jesus
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Please comment on Talk:Location of Osama bin Laden
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Please comment on Talk:Eugene Plotkin
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Please comment on Talk:Zachary Taylor
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Please comment on Talk:Alger Hiss
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Please comment on Talk:Laura Robson
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Please comment on Talk:Dennis Ritchie
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Please comment on Talk:Batman Begins
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Please comment on Talk:Emily VanCamp
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Please comment on Talk:Steven Crowder
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Please comment on Talk:Direct-to-video
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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga
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Please comment on Talk:Lucio Dalla
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Please comment on Talk:Santiago B. Villafania
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Please comment on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard
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Please comment on an RfC about Living members of deposed royal families and the titles attributed to them on WP
Hello - I have opened an RfC about suggested guidelines in the Manual of Style for articles about living members of families whose ancestors were deposed as monarchs of various countries and the titles and "styles" attributed to these living people, at the moment often in a misleading and inaccurate way in my opinion. Please join in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies "Use of royal "Titles and styles" and honorific prefixes in articles and templates referring to pretenders to abolished royal titles and their families"Regards,Smeat75 (talk) 05:22, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Pavle Đurišić
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Please comment on Talk:Desireé Cousteau
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