User talk:Trlovejoy/Archives/2013

Webinar / edit-a-thon at the National Library of Medicine (NLM)
Join us at the NLM next week, either in person or online, to learn about NLM resources, hear some great speakers, and do some editing!

On Tuesday, 28 May there will be a community Wikipedia meeting at the United States National Library of Medicine in Bethesda, Maryland - with a second on Thursday, 30 May for those who can't make it on Tuesday. You can participate either in-person, or via an online webinar. If you attend in person, USB sticks (but not external drives) are ok to use.

Please go to the event page to get more information, including a detailed program schedule.

If you are interested in participating, please register by sending an email to pmhmeet@gmail.com. Please indicate if you are coming in person or if you will be joining us via the webinar. After registering, you will receive additional information about how to get to our campus (if coming in-person) and details about how to join the webinar. Klortho (talk) 05:48, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Have time on Saturday?
I'm sorry for the last-minute notice, but on Saturday, June 8, from 3 to 6 PM, Wikimedia DC and the Cato Institute are hosting a Legislative Data Meetup. We will discuss the work done so far by WikiProject U.S. Federal Government Legislative Data to put data from Congress onto Wikipedia, as well as what more needs to be done. If you have ideas you'd like to contribute, or if you're just curious and feel like meeting up with other Wikipedians, you are welcome to come! Be sure to RSVP here if you're interested.

I hope to see you there!

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Harej (talk) 04:15, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

DC meetup & dinner on Saturday, June 15!
Please join Wikimedia DC for a social meetup and dinner at Vapiano (near Farragut North/Farragut West) on Saturday, June 15 at 5:30 PM. All Wikipedia/Wikimedia and free knowledge/culture enthusiasts, regardless of editing experience, are welcome to attend! All ages welcome!

For more information and to sign up, please see the meetup page. Hope to see you there! Kirill [talk] 19:46, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Join us this Sunday for the Great American Wiknic!
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Harej (talk) 15:40, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

DC meetup & dinner on Saturday, July 13!
Please join Wikimedia DC for a social meetup and dinner at Vapiano (near Farragut North/Farragut West) on Saturday, July 13 at 6:00 PM. All Wikipedia/Wikimedia and free knowledge/culture enthusiasts, regardless of editing experience, are welcome to attend! All ages welcome!

For more information and to sign up, please see the meetup page. Hope to see you there! Kirill [talk] 00:20, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Asiana Airlines Flight 214
Hi TRL, Just wanted to let you know I slightly edited a post of yours as the source could not be accesed from the page. It seems that you need to leave the tags off the code or the ref can't just be clicked on to go there (unless the is a or Again, best of luck I hope the resources help. TRL (talk) 17:29, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Your rollback request
Hi Trlovejoy, I have granted rollback rights to your account in accordance with your request. Please be aware that rollback should be used to revert vandalism/spam/blatantly unconstructive edits, and that using it to revert any other type of edit - such as by revert-warring or reverting edits you disagree with - can lead to it being removed from your account...sometimes without any warning depending on the admin who becomes aware of any misuse. If you think an edit should require a reason for reverting, use a manual edit summary instead of using the rollback tool. For practice, you may wish to see New admin school/Rollback. Good luck. Acalamari 11:24, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Stub Blank
i removed that page because it already exists,and it was a stub,i just forgot to explain myself--Bsamiwalaa (talk) 18:21, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Bsamiwalaa, got it... marked page CSD.TRL (talk) 18:23, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Ambassador Avant
The deleted material that you keep restoring is quoting a blog that misquotes the IG report. The blog in question is intentionally misrepresenting the IG report and misplaces quotes to make his statements appear to be part of the IG report. The Washington Post owns FP Magazine and was the the first to quote the blog that appeared on the FP website as a real news source without giving notice of the ownership connection. It is a political blog - not a news source. Ambassador Avant was part of the regularly scheduled IG process and she resigned post following the death of her mother in-law and her father in-law's severe stroke to be home with her family. Please discontinue these attacks on Ambassador Avant's tenure, which was extremely successful. The daily management of an Embassy is the responsibility of the Deputy Chief of Mission and the management team - the criticism in the IG report was aimed at that team. Ambassador Avant's travel was in all cases pre-approved by the state department, as is required. Those dates included weekends and holidays. Many ambassadors choose to work from the official residence instead of the embassy - that is why the residence is fully equipped with not one but two offices. This has all been covered extensively in the press. Ambassador Avant turned over several employees and left the embassy better than she found it and returns to the Bahamas often and at her own expense to support initiatives she began during her term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.184.199.174 (talk) 05:26, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Jeff Raspe page
Hi Trlovejoy, I added a few sections to the Jeff Raspe page, modeling the page after Kid Leo's page in response to your flag. Let me know if they are ok.Smm201`0 (talk) 13:39, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Smm201`0, once you have made the edits in accordance with a maintenance tag, you can remove the tag (as long as they are complete). Sections look good. --TRL (talk) 02:28, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Neospeech page
Hi Trlovejoy, I appreciate your comments. So I added more citations and external links. I will add more technical aspects of the product later soon. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thank you. Tvo05 (talk) 19:20, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Citations look good, just make sure not to use bare URLs so you prevent Link Rot --TRL (talk) 02:35, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Maum Meditation
You reverted my edit including criticism of the Maum Meditation group, which you claimed was not properly sourced. However, it was very much sourced externally to a group of former members discussing their belief that the group is a cult whose primary goal is the advancement of the founder's interests. That is the precise text I included in the article. I have had this edit reverted by people claiming it is "non-neutral" when it is a very true, independently-verifiable, sourced allegation that I had written in a neutral way. Because of the repeated, malicious removal of the criticism section, my next step is to seek the protection of the page to prevent the "criticism" section from being reverted by members of the group or others who wish to sanitize valid, verifiable criticism of the group. I look forward to your response. 66.91.204.11 (talk) 02:25, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello 66.91.204.11, your citation does not link to a valid yahoo group, nor is it specifically reliable in accordance with WP:RS You need to find a reliable source and add the information that way, or take it to the talk page first. The content you are adding is potentially defamation if not verifiably sourced and accurate. TRL (talk) 02:33, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. I added three separate sources that all support the information added to the page, and removed the invalid Yahoo Groups link. You're welcome. 66.91.204.11 (talk) 02:46, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Worthington, WV's page
Howdy - I removed what I had just added myself, several seconds previously. 76.181.227.185 (talk) 02:53, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * My mistake, saw the page blanking. --TRL (talk) 02:58, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Edits to List of albums awarded Pitchfork Best New Album
Those were indeed constructive edits and not vandalism. The source is right here: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/best/albums/ --63.64.64.178 (talk) 03:53, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You must ensure you include the citation to this reference when you add the content. Sorry, based on language and no citation. Also please ensure you add the citation properly to avoid link rot --TRL (talk) 03:57, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Mads Gilbert
I need a source for changing the word "communist" into "socialist", when the article for the party (that said word describes)itself writes that the party is socialist? There wasn't a source their in the first place, when it stated "communist".

This is getting ridiculous. And very annoying. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.149.49.136 (talk) 03:57, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

96.28.210.53 (talk) 05:29, 23 July 2013 (UTC)vega page)
96.28.210.53 (talk) 05:29, 23 July 2013 (UTC)I added a bit about the one millionth vega and it got deleted almost immediately. I think it was interesting information to have on the page because of the rarity of actually knowing the history. where's the one million of any car? who knows? If you don't like it maybe I should start my own page just for that car and included in it I could post this incident? then if you tried to edit mine I could block you too....and I could post what a jerk you are, I wish I still had pics of it but I don't ....just good memories of good times, loud heavy metal, pretty girls and sunshine buzzing down the highway in my little 4popper mini-camaro, lol...I loved that little car...it was headed to the junkyard when my brother-in-laws little sister owned it and blew the engine. I got it for 100 bux and replaced the bad engine and drove the hell out of it for 3 more years, that passenger seat had more split tail in it than I could count...lol...good times good times. then I was going to v8 hotrod it and had the engine and rear end and was saving for the other parts when I wrecked it and smashed the quarter panel in....so I junked it in about 1986 0r 87...sigh....96.28.210.53 (talk) 05:29, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

BBC revision
You're revision of my edit, in which I noted the perception of left wing political bias, is incorrect. In the UK numerous news sources have carried such claims and if you view: http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=iain+duncan+smith+bbc&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&gws_rd=cr&redir_esc=&ei=kEXsUfjyFquf7AbVg4EY#q=iain+duncan+smith+bbc&client=safari&rls=en&source=univ&tbm=nws&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=kEXsUfz0HMKjO7TwgbAB&ved=0CDUQqAI&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.49478099%2Cd.ZWU%2Cpv.xjs.s.en_US.c75bKy5EQ0A.O&fp=ee4753a4d190925c&biw=1279&bih=680. You can clearly see a recent example of a Government minster making such claims. Please refrain from undoing my contrbution, when it is clearly justified and you are simply ill-informed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.155.125 (talk) 20:38, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * your link is search results, not a proper citation and link to the quote of claims.--TRL (talk) 20:48, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

See here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2293639/Iain-Duncan-Smiths-fury-BBC-adopting-language-Labour-calling-benefit-cut-bedroom-tax.html. UK Government minster making such comment in the UK's largest newspaper. I suggest you do research into domestic positions prior to editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.155.125 (talk) 20:56, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Article does not support text added. Please move further discussion to Talk:BBC Severe Left Wing Bias for other editors to take part in. TRL (talk) 21:11, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Article clearly does and the additional page within the framework supports comment also. Perhaps next time, rather than simply deluding yourself, you should do some reading first. Obviously you have a clear knowledge of the BBC, so much so that even the page you reference supports my edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.155.125 (talk) 01:08, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Wolbong market
Hi Trlovejoy,

You recently tagged an article of mine (Wolbong market) with a speedy deletion tag stating that the article fell under CSD. I appreciate you letting me know on my talk page, however the article was deleted within 4 hours of your post, before I was able to even receive your message.

G11 states:

"Pages that are exclusively promotional, and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic. Note: An article about a company or a product which describes its subject from a neutral point of view does not qualify for this criterion."

The article I created was only a 2-sentence-long stub article, properly sourced, stating what the market was, and where it was located. The only problem with neutrality that I could see was that I stated that the market sold "inexpensive" items which was an oversight on my part. I shouldn't have said that, but if that was what you based the deletion tagging on, it seems like simply editing the wording of the article would have fixed the problem. The article certainly wasn't "exclusively" promotional and would not have needed to be "fundamentally rewritten" in order to be neutral.

I've asked the administrator who deleted the article to allow me to work to improve the article. I would hope that in the future you are more careful about tagging articles in this way, and instead try to either improve them yourself, or ask the author to do so while allowing them a reasonable time limit to respond before tagging for deletion.

Thanks for your time, Rystheguy (talk) 05:37, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello, thanks for taking the time to right such a long response. As you mention, the stub article was only 2 sentences, you have spent more time here on my talk page than you did yon the article. My apology if you feel the article was removed too quickly and/or in error. Please feel free to use one of the many resources for creating articles and guides. From creating Your first article to Starting an article, or using the the Article wizard these guides will be helpful for best practices. If you are really working to improve the page and context, I would suggest you consider adding: "" Again, best of luck I hope the resources help. TRL (talk) 02:39, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Trlovejoy,


 * Thanks for your response. I'm not upset about the speed of deletion since that is what the speedy deletion tag is for. I'm unhappy with the careless method you chose to address what you determined to be a problem.


 * I'd like to address a few of your comments. First off, you said: ""


 * This is meaningless since the reason you tagged the article for deletion was because you believed it was commercial, not because of the length of the article. The reason the article was so short is because there is exactly zero English information on the subject. I'm using my limited Korean-reading abilities to make information that is currently available only in Korean, available to a wider audience. If a properly-sourced stub article exists, it allows people with better understanding of the Korean language to easily expand upon what I've created using the source information.


 * Secondly, your comment stating: "" is unhelpful to someone who has created 70 articles so far without any problems and nothing but constructive criticism from reviewers and admins. This cookie-cutter response that you've copied & pasted to everyone above with similar complaints to mine seems lazy. If your goal is to improve Wikipedia, please take time to at least create a thoughtful response to criticisms and try to provide feedback that is helpful rather than dismissive. It's very possible that not all of your edits are mistake-free and that you too have room to improve.


 * I would recommend that in future edits you follow the Wikipedia community recommendation to be bold and make the necessary changes yourself instead of taking the easy road and just nominating a perfectly fine article for deletion. Additionally, the article "Ignore all rules" would be a helpful read. This essay: "What "Ignore all rules" means" explains the "Ignore all rules" article and also has a helpful flow-chart at the bottom that discusses how the policy should be used. If your edits are not improving Wikipedia, then they are at best making no useful difference at all, and worst case, making the encyclopedia less useful. In the case of my article, you nominating it for deletion did nothing to improve the reliability of the encyclopedia and should therefore not have happened. Also, this: What_Wikipedia is not is a useful read for how to use common sense while editing.


 * Finally, I'd recommend that in the future, you consider using this template:




 * as opposed to speedy deletion because it at least allows the original author to address the problem instead of erasing the work they've put into the article so far. That is unless of course the article is written in an "exclusively promotional" manner as outlined in CSD#G11. This is especially true when dealing with articles created by new editors. Since the comment you posted above is aimed at them, it's only appropriate that you take my advice and not bite the newcomers.


 * Thanks again for your time, Rystheguy (talk) 03:20, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Wilson bikram rai
Hello there! I edited some sentences in the article "wilson bikram rai". You then asked me of the sources. What if i am the source? The guy and me studied in the same class for four years. He left school when he was in class 4. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.14.233.14 (talk) 03:05, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Please see Identifying reliable sources for more info on proper sourcing, and ensure that you list the citation with the edit.--TRL (talk) 03:08, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Lichter
The meaning somebody who castrates animals is correct. The book of Hans Bahlow is given as source. Why dont´t you belive in the source? Lichter has nothing to do with any lights; thats only an imagination of User:Sheynhertz-Unbayg. I follow Sheynhertz and eliminate his shit. --Inrath (talk) 04:12, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks like there is a reliable source currently listed and the correct meaning is light. --TRL (talk) 04:15, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * ancestry is no reputable reference, it's like WP. Everybody can edit. May bee, that some jewish People are called Lichter. But the Jews became surnames late. 1787 in den Habsburgischen Erbländern; Preußen in 1790; Stadt Breslau in 1791, Regierungsbezirk Breslau in 1794; area Liegnitz bzw. Glogau in 1812; Altmark, Neumark, Pommern, Westpreußen, Ostpreußen in 1833 Posenin 1845 Kulmerland 1846-1848. Whole Germany in 1813; Bayern in 1828; Hannover und Württemberg in 1834. Under Napoléons (Rhineland) in 1808. The german surname Lichter is much older  and means somebody who castrates animals --Inrath (talk) 04:41, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Either way, there has yet to be a source provided for your edit to associate the name with castration.--TRL (talk) 04:43, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, the Ancestry.com page cites the Dictionary of American Family Names. I don't see how the content is user generated. ... disco spinster   talk  04:46, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Lichter as a german family name can stem from both "things that have to do with light", candlemaker for example or living at a forest clearing (Lichtung), as well as "someone who castrates"; Leichter, Leichtner, Lichter usw. from middle german "lihten" »kastrieren«. A quick search found this: http://www.der-familienstammbaum.de/ahnenforschung/alte-berufe-l.php In any case Inrath gives a valid source, it's not his job to make it possible for you to check it. --92.202.48.16 (talk) 04:54, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Hans Bahlow ist one of the most famous name researcher. --Inrath (talk) 05:07, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

On to the next
Whats the point of a random person pic in the article psychiatrist? Is this how they typically look? Is this man particularly famous? Then it should be explained. This guy doesnt even have an article --92.202.48.16 (talk) 04:57, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed, however your edit summary indicated it was inappropriate rather than unrelated. My mistake as I was reading the text version of your edits. I've returned to the article to your edited version.--TRL (talk) 05:00, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * My bad. To my european mind 'inappropriate' just means 'badly placed, not suitable' most of the time :P --92.202.48.16 (talk) 05:03, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

About156 (number)
I want to have more detailed reasoning for undoing my changes. I have references, and what I've written IS some information related to both 156 and music. There seems to be nothing wrong with my contributions.--133.11.50.101 (talk) 05:35, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello, the references provided did not sufficiently validate the information you posted, additionally as it appeared in your edit it looked as if there was some misplaced content. --TRL (talk) 21:52, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Cedric Vásquez
Hi Trlovejoy, if I am not mistaken you reviewed one of the articles I have created, Cedric Vásquez. Now, I get what the "Bare URLs" notification means, and I added some link description. But the two other issues you have included in the "Multiple issues" template are unclear to me. The first one is: "insufficient inline citations". Why? Almost every sentence of the article has a ref. I could have cited my book on the Peru national team as a source, but I decided not to cite it, because it could have been classified as WP:Self-promotion, so I used other links which partially cover his National team career (NFT writes 4 caps but his caps are actually 5). The second issue is: "insufficient citations for verification". The sources cover the information included in the article. What I don't get is: what's missing? What else is needed? Thank you for your attention, I will appreciate your answer. :-) --Triple 8 (talk) 13:26, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You may want to consider adding several sources for the information on the article. In addition you may want to consider adding additional content based on the biographical information you can find n sources. --TRL (talk) 21:56, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Positive train control
How is this not a reliable source? . — Preceding unsigned comment added by TittiesAndBeer (talk • contribs) 22:51, 24 July 2013
 * Read the text on the page, there is nothing mentioning civil disorder.--TRL (talk) 02:55, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, please take this conversation to the article's talk page --TRL (talk) 02:55, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, so text mentions Civil Disorder, but does not substantiate the claims... discuss on talk page. --TRL (talk) 02:58, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

List of Watch Tower Society publications
I think this is misunderstanding of User:Jeffro77. 1.115.192.198 (talk) 03:15, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It was his talk page, My mistake. --TRL (talk) 03:17, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed...-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 03:19, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Kingdom Melodies 1-9 CDs were published in the past. Please see this. Kingdom Melodies CDs 4 - 6 on JW.org　are REVISED EDITION in 2006 - 2008. 1.115.192.198 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:42, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Previous availability on audiocassette is already correctly indicated at the article.-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 03:50, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Could we consider moving this discussion to the article's talk page so that other editors of this article can be involved? I just reviewed and am not a page contributor, but editing for vandalism and unsourced content. Thank you, sorry for confusion. --TRL (talk) 03:53, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Feel free to delete this section.-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 03:56, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to STiki!

 * Don't mean to be rude, but this looks like the only happy thing on your talkpage lol. -- t  numbermaniac c 06:25, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Assembly of God Bethlehem Ministry
Hello Trlovejoy, I am a member of this church and all that information is true and its from there website which i translated part of it so that i can put it to Wikipedia. I have put reference. 07/25/13 - ericcp3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericcp3 (talk • contribs) 17:06, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Please review the Wikipedia policy on Conflict of Interest as it appears you have violated that policy. All information added to the mainspace needs to be referenced with valid sources that can be verify the information added.--TRL (talk) 17:19, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Larry Silvers
You tag and deleted the Larry Silvers page as A7 However it states under A7-"The criterion does not apply to any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance even if the claim is not supported by a reliable source or does not qualify on Wikipedia's notability guidelines. The criterion does apply if the claim of significance or importance given is not credible. If the claim's credibility is unclear, you can improve the article yourself, propose deletion, or list the article at articles for deletion. for people, for bands, for clubs, societies and groups, for companies, corporations and organizations, for websites, for individual animals, for events It is irrelevant whether the claim of notability within the article is not sufficient for the notability guidelines. If the claim is credible, the A7 tag can not be applied. Often what seems non-notable to a new page patroller is shown to be notable in a deletion discussion."

It is quite evident that the page patroller is not aware of the historical significance of this individual. Larry & Betty Silvers were recognized as the first undisputed U.S. national DanceSport Champions. DanceSport is a Worldwide competitive sport and they were our first recognized Nationals Champions to represent the U.S. in world competition. They not only were champions of Ballroom, but also Latin and 10 Dance divisions simultaneously. Such a feat has never been duplicated in the history of the sport.

They were the first U.S. National Standard Champions They were also the first U.S. National Latin Champions AND the first U.S. National 10 Dance Champions

Other sources: Also Joe Jenkins (who went on to take Larry Silvers title as National Standard Ballroom Champion in 1971-1973) is still alive and can corroborate this information. This is further documented by former rival competitor and future U.S. national champion 1976–1978 Bill Davies in his interview with U.S.A Dance. Bill Davies is also still alive and I personally communicate with him on a regular basis. Finally Fred Rust who trained both Larry Silvers and Joe Jenkins as well as employed Bill Davies is alive, and a personal friend of mine, can validate the above statements.

To not preserve the history of the first champions in one of the world largest sports is tragic. As a dance historian (I Forrest Outman) know it is imperative that we document, and share this information for future generations and researchers alike. I acknowledge the page was light in information due to me not having the time and still collecting data, sources, images, video etc., however it is still absolutely socially and historically relevant information and I do have ample primary sources as evidenced in my defence. Please return the page so that I may continue my work developing the page and preserving this champions contributions to the field.

Thank you, Sincerely Forrest Outman ForrestOutman (talk) 09:39, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello ForrestOutman, the information you have posted here, should have been added to the discussion during the speedy deletion tag. I simply tagged the article, and an administrator took action based on the facts available at the time. My apology if you feel that the subject was notable and should have an article. --TRL (talk) 17:15, 26 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Trlovejoy, I tend to agree with ForrestOutman here. It seems that you have a history of inappropriate use of the speedy deletion tag. You say that people should have a chance to have a discussion while the speedy deletion tag is present, but the whole purpose of speedy deletion is to delete an article in a speedy manner. In the case of my article, I had a 4-hour window to respond and it happened to occur while I was away from a computer. There are other approaches you can take when it comes to dealing with these types of problems such as outlined in my Wolbong market post above. If you truly want discussion before a deletion, as opposed to on your talk page after the fact, consider nominating the article for deletion discussion instead. That is unless the article unambiguously meets the requirements for speedy deletion, which it seems both the Larry Silvers article, and my own, did not. It seems to me like even you would agree with that since you stated that discussion would have been warranted. To say that it's not your fault because an admin did the deleting is lazy. You should be following the guidelines stringently instead of relying on an admin to make the final decisions for you. Rystheguy (talk) 23:20, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Battle for the Golden Boot
I am correcting how rivalry games with official titles and trophies are correctly labeled. The official title of the Arkansas-LSU game is the Battle for the Golden Boot. The Golden Boot is the trophy. Before the Golden Boot trophy was created in 1996, it was called the Arkansas-LSU rivalry but both schools label the game as the battle for the Golden Boot. See other examples of similar rivalries such as LSU-Ole Miss or LSU-Tulane. Lets dive into LSU-Ole Miss. When the Magnolia trophy was created, the game was no longer known as the LSU-Ole Miss rivalry it officially became the Magnolia Bowl recognized by both schools. When a game is named all info reverts to the new name. I didn't revert back Auburn-LSU rivalry b/c although it is referred to by both fan bases as the Tiger Bowl; there is no trophy and both school officials don't recognize it as the Tiger Bowl. You can also reference rivalries for the Alabama Crimson Tide football and Nicholls State Colonels football for similar examples. If you look at LSU athletic pages you will see I am the #1 or close to #1 contributor and have created many pages for the school. I state this not to brag but to let you know my expertise on the subject. If you keep reverting changes to the LSU-Arkansas rivalry you are allowing inaccurate information to be posted on wikipedia. I need to correct the Arkansas-LSU rivalry and ask that you do not revert back to having inaccurate information displayed. Thanks for your understanding. User:spatms (talk) 01:36, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! User:spatms (talk) 013:01, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

photons
--70.60.149.146 (talk) 21:00, 28 July 2013 (UTC)You removed my concept because I did not cite a source. I am the source, it is my concept. please read it and consider it before removing it..thanks Jack Paulden I have only been published once, but not on this subject...see here... http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/11/truck-driver-salary-life-on-road

here is my entry again. Perhaps it can be considered by more than a few......that would be a help Nature is more conservative and perhaps more democratic than the thought experiments of man. In fact a photon is more probably created by expanding spheres of energy and these discrete expanding spheres are not small corpuscles as perhaps they have been theorized to be..until now. These expanding spheres are independent of, yet nested within the one that preceded it. Therefore, a photon is created by at least 1 further burst, up to trillions of bursts within a given period of time for further photons, (IE orange light is about 480 thz ) to occur after the outer initial burst of energy. This does not discredit the reality that photons are indeed discrete packets. It becomes evident that the eye and any instruments that have been used to detect the discrete packages of energy, do not measure the whole sphere, but only that part of the spherical energies that reach the detector or eye. We can then see that not only is nature conservative by sending out expanding spheres; but nature is fundamentally democratic in that all observers get equally hit by these expanding energy spheres. Each observer is then allowed the same energy at the same distance from the emitting atom, with no spaces left open if no obstruction occurs prior to the expansion of the sphere at that position. It is truly amazing. Once we grasp the reality of this we than can understand that a photon requires a minimum of 2 bursts of expanding spherical energy spheres. The frequency/wavelength is determined by the distance the trailing edge of the first to the leading edge of the second.

The example was for orange light for one second of time. So for a detector to detect orange light for one second, this is actual detection of the spheres in that time period, then the detector would detect twice as many bursts of expanding spheres as the frequency of orange light, because each 2 bursts would represent 1 photon of light. My concept of expanding spheres not only solves the conservation of energy requirement, but also allows all observers, if no obstructions occur, to experience the same packet(s) (that part of the spheres that hit the eye or other detection equipment if we consider photons in the visible light range of light photons.) at exactly the same time if they are equally radially distanced from the atoms center So to grasp the concept we have to first realize that these expanding energy spheres not only travel at "light speed or ~300,000,000 meters per second, but that the spheres that create visible light and other measurable occurrences at higher or lower frequencies, are expanding at a tremendous rate also.

You can then see that during the double slit experiment, these two energy spheres answer the question of interference created by one photon. Because as the photon becomes visible after the second burst occurs, the second burst has already interfered with the first burst....it is amazing but not non-intuitive once you grasp the concept. This concept of how energy is emitted by the atom also answers other questions such as red shift and the EPR paradox questions, etc. ; at least as I see it. These energy spheres answer another very important issue which I will touch upon at a later date after the reader(s) grasp this concept. The other concept that it answers will pin you to your seat if you are reading while sitting....it is amazing.

A further proof would be that energy from lasers spreads out and if a laser is aimed at the moon, the spread would be quite large. Corpuscle theory does not make that an easy reality, whereas the expanding sphere concept makes it a reality.
 * This all seems like great discussion for the talk page of that article. If you cite the info you add, you should be good. TRL (talk) 03:34, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

please take off the illict drug talk on the bitcoin page
im trying to get one and if my parents see that it wont be good. take it off i only edited those pages since i had to to get to the bitcoin page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Onnnnnnnnn9 (talk • contribs) 03:29, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I am following your logic. --TRL (talk) 03:34, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Penn State football page
Why do you keep deleting my edits? If you click the links to the Michigan State rivalries and the Alabama rivalries you'll clearly see the records I am putting are the current records in the rivalry games. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.72.230.195 (talk) 04:11, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello, the reverts occur because the information added is not cited properly, verifiably and without proper citations appears to be vandalism (someone just changing record information arbitrarily). --TRL (talk) 04:13, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, so the Alabama info is back. I don't know how to cite otherwise I would.  Can you do it for me?  As for the Michigan State record it is out dated but I see that people are having trouble getting records straight because of the sex abuse scandal NCAA's removal of wins.  I like how it's written for the Minnesota rivalry.  Maybe I'll write something like that but I don't want to get blocked because I don't know how to cite.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.72.230.195 (talk) 04:21, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Review Citing sources for more information on citations. You won't be blocked because you do not know how to cite, you'll be blocked for edit warring or vandalism. I'd suggest you visit the article's talk page and discuss your interest and the material you'd like to add. Someone who is maintaining the article or contributing that can assist would likely be glad to work with you to incorporate the information you have identified as needed added. --TRL (talk) 04:25, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

lead citations
Where is the rule that citations are required in the lead text? 71.60.50.60 (talk) 03:27, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The edits you were making over several revisions appeared to be removing content and adding unsourced information. If you feel otherwise, take it to the talk page... as I can see you have undone my rollback I'll let the community take action from here. --TRL (talk) 03:33, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You removed 8 bytes. I really doubt that there was 8 bytes of unsourced information the lead.  71.60.50.60 (talk) 03:54, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The community thanks you for protecting the article from unsourced white space. 71.60.50.60 (talk) 05:50, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia Article on George F. Dillon
Dear Trlovejoy:

I am merely adding additional information to the article, mostly biographical information about Dillon to make his biography more complete. In order to do this I was in the process of rearranging some of your information in the article, but I wasn't deleting any information you have written. Please restore the information I have added to the article, unless you can prove that the information I have added is incorrect. Thank You! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.68.108.60 (talk) 04:14, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Done. Please understand... the burden of proof is on the editor adding information. Specifically with citations and verifiable sources. --TRL (talk) 04:18, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Sugar substitute and Science Friday
Did you see my posting regarding http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sugar_substitute&action=history ? 99.181.144.35 (talk) 04:44, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Everything from this IP is deletable on sight as he is a Sock of blocked user, see User:Arthur Rubin/IP list NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 10:31, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Jose Iglesias Trade
While I did not originally source my edits, I quickly added a source in after you reverted my original edit. Not sure why you reverted again Tolkienfanatic20 (talk) 03:35, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I am sorry, I do not see the edit where you added a source. As this is a WP:BLP article, we need to make sure you cite these types of edits. --TRL (talk) 03:39, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

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Multiple Issues: Remove Tags
Hi Trlovejoy,

I have received the following tags from you on my article BetterCloud: (refimprove, linkrot, cat improve, advert)). Can you please elaborate? I have carried out some changes such as writing with a neutral point of view as well as adding references. However, the tags are still showing up on the page. Is it possible to remove them?

Thanks Saasguy20 (talk) 22:03, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

July 2013
Hello, I'm Trlovejoy. I noticed that you recently removed some content from Washington Kastles, with this edit, without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. TRL (talk) 04:01, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Please explain what I removed that you restored. How do you do something like that without contacting first?

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