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Speedy deletion nomination of Edwinton Brewing Company
A tag has been placed on Edwinton Brewing Company requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about an organization or company, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for organizations and companies. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag - if no such tag exists then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hangon tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 03:34, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * After doing a Googling this company and looking through the Google news archives, there appears to be very little information about this company. Please read WP:Notability. If you can find sources that clearly demonstrate that this company meets our general notability guidelines, perhaps an article can be created. At this time, however, this does not appear to be the case. AniMate 04:37, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

http://www.bismarcktribune.com/business/local/article_d717450e-0c67-11df-96a9-001cc4c002e0.html
 * Try reading WP:CORP. Does this company satisfy these guidelines? Do you think Wikipedia should have articles on every business that has been the subject of a local interest piece in a local paper? AniMate 04:58, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Edwinton Brewing Company
A tag has been placed on Edwinton Brewing Company requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about an organization or company, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for organizations and companies. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag - if no such tag exists then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hangon tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. --ZhongHan (Email) 05:08, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Questions
Are there any more sources that discuss this business? From WP:CORP: Has this business contributed in any of these areas? Yes it is a business, and yes one local paper wrote about it. Is there anything else? AniMate 05:11, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * When evaluating the notability of organizations, please consider whether it has had any significant or demonstrable effects on culture, society, entertainment, athletics, economies, history, literature, science, or education.
 * Also, you should be aware that it isn't the end of the world if this article isn't in the encyclopedia "main space" right now. If you want to work on it, so it meets our notability guidelines, you can do so in your user space. You can work on the article at User:Trookie83/Edwinton Brewing Company. In the state the article currently is in (one sentence and a promise of more info at a vague future date), it will be deleted. I'd also like you to read WP:COI. It's our guideline on conflicts of interest, as I suspect you are connected to the company. You can ask for the article created by someone neutral at WP:Articles for creation. Just be sure to have more than one source and explain the company's significance. AniMate 05:20, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd also like to point out that you are attempting to establish notability for your company with one local article, two local articles you say are coming out but that we cannot evaluate yet, and the fact that someone in the company was asked to give a speech at a school. This doesn't prove notability. AniMate 05:35, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

I can assure you a full write up on the organization, reaching what I would guess would be a dozen or so significant paragraphs if needed. If you cannot hold it until then please let us know, otherwise we can try to resubmit once that is finished. Also, as far as some cultural reference, Edwinton Brewing Company is currently attempting to be the only North Dakota based micro brewery.
 * First, we don't write articles here with the promise of more information to come. It's either there or it isn't. In regards to the cultural reference, I must emphasize that you are attempting to be the only ND based microbrewery. Should your company actually end up being the only ND based microbrewery, the article probably would not be speedy deleted, though it would likely end up at WP:Articles for deletion, a week long process where editors evaluate articles.
 * Now, I'm not going to delete this again, but I can almost guarantee it will be deleted again. Wikipedia isn't here to promote your business, though I hope you are successful. The purpose of Wikipedia is to write neutral articles based on third-party sources. Coming in and writing an article about yourself or your business is a bad idea. It's next to impossible to be neutral, especially when one is self-promoting. It's also next to impossible to sit back and dispassionately assess if you and your company are actually notable or just another business. Hundreds of articles are created here weekly by someone who is sure that they or their business is extremely notable and must have an article in Wikipedia. A question I often pose when I run across these is "If you or your company is so notable, why hasn't someone else started the article?" So, I ask you: If your company is so notable, why hasn't someone else started the article? Why is there only one newspaper article currently available discussing your business? Of course our personal business ventures are extremely important to us, but that doesn't always translate into encyclopedic notability. AniMate 06:04, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm actually not an official part of the business, I am not on the payroll and hold no title with the company. I guess by saying "we" it was more of a team type reference similar to an athletic team. And my statement about being the only North Dakota based brewery was slightly inaccurate, as their view of being the "only" one means being established. They are currently incorporated as a brewery in North Dakota so already hold that spot. I understand the role of wikipedia, and if I'm interpreting this correctly is it ok for their followers and future consumers to take on the responsibility of independently and accurately representing Edwinton?