User talk:TrottieTrue

1965 edits
The first section is a direct quote from Billboard we can't edit I will go over all the other "#"s I used, and change them to "no." any other changes I should make in format? Let me know and I will fix thanks for your help, Dave Tillywilly17 (talk) 02:45, 14 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks. "Billboard" should be italicised, as the name of a magazine. The information should be fully referenced (as on the 1965 article). And no external links in the article itself. I hope this makes sense. TrottieTrue (talk) 03:02, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks I got a big job ahead, please be my advisor
 * Here are some words I wrote to educate you on what I did:
 * Go to this page as a sample
 * All year in music had this format before I started replacing them


 * 1951 in music


 * this information was copied from tsort.com
 * It uses sources like RYM (Rate Your Music.com)


 * Now read this post I made some time ago
 * Talk:1941 in music


 * It is a sample of the many talk page posts I made
 * Nobody ever responded; it was a huge problem that nobody cared about
 * I had previously replaced pre-1940 pages with mostly Whitburn based material
 * There are thousands of Wikipedia pages that use his chart information. Nobody wants to change those, it would take years and completely destroy many stub-pages that are completely based on his information. There is no rule against using his information either.
 * Check 1950-1963, I haven't gotten to those yet. The information was copied from tsort.com approximately 15 years ago. They all violate our rules. The charts I replaced them with 1964-1969 are all based on Billboard magazine information, and will all have proper references when I get around to it.
 * Maybe you can help me figure out to format the references, it is complicated. I have pdfs of every issue of Billboard for the years I did. But for each song, I only used the issues it made the Hot 100. I have every single date, but this would take months without some shortcutting. Every single record rated came from Billboard's Hot 100 and other sub-charts. The issues are online, but are pdfs that don't hyperlink properly. Google also has many of the issues online. Fortunately, I had hard copies to collect the data I needed. I re-arranged and organized the Billboard data to correct the errors I described in the year-end lists. That is the only change I made, and it was with their existing data.
 * I did research other websites that had year end lists to see what they did. Some had improvements, but all fell short of correcting or documenting what I envisioned to be done. I went back to my Billboard collection and tracked down each year end page 1960-1980s, copying all text and formulas. It was awful how badly they managed it, and eventually they mentioned less and less about the formula they used and other details about how they chart was calculated.
 * There were also several years that Billboard printed a second list. It seemed they changed the inclusive time frame every year. They also changed their scoring system almost as often. Why reprint that (Wikipedia already has) again? I used the year end formulas to arrive at one to be used every year, and used Whitburn's year end method to assign the year. I used their Billboard sourced data with these formulas every year to make accurate charts. Everything has a citation, as you can see from my earlier charts from the 1930s and 1940s. This is a massive project for me with no assistance, but everything gets done eventually. It is huge improvement over what it replaced. We could have a technical argument that I created original content, but that's barely true, and should be overlooked, since straightening out the time period for each list of course changed the order. The formula I used came from Billboard, and I adhered to it like a robot. When we say "1965 in music", we mean it.
 * Please help me clean up my style and formatting. I am mostly self-trained, so I have some issues, but I am a very quick study if you have some time. Tillywilly17 (talk) 23:07, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note that all the references I used over many years are all legal. No discogs, secondhandsongs, or other fan based sites used. 1920-1949 Popular and Country. I have work to do on 1964-1969. Those are the ones that we need to use the Billboard charts directly, because that is the only source for the original information. There are Whitburn books with the data summarized, but why use an incomplete second hand source. That is how I think, I hope we are on the same page. I will soon post an image of the pages I work off, and you will have the total picture. Tillywilly17 (talk) 23:25, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Eddie Linden

 * Thank you for letting me know - I'm very pleased that this has made it to ITN. TrottieTrue (talk) 00:11, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

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@TrottieTrue are you able to talk outside the wikipedia or just here? I've got a couple of questions. 2A01:E0A:5E2:D110:A07F:91D:4CC3:D8FD (talk) 12:22, 4 April 2024 (UTC)


 * You can email me via my talk page. Try this link if you can't find it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:EmailUser/TrottieTrue TrottieTrue (talk) 12:40, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

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