User talk:Troutfella

September 2015
Your recent edit to Acalanes High School appears to have added the name of a non-notable entity to a list that normally includes only notable entries. In general, a person or organization added to a list should have a pre-existing article before being added to most lists. If you wish to create such an article, please first confirm that the subject qualifies for a separate, stand-alone article according to Wikipedia's notability guideline. ''Further, please stop your self promotion. If you are notable, someone.else will write about you. See WP:BIO for what is required for a bio here. The same requirements are in force for inclusion on a notables list.'' John from Idegon (talk) 20:01, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't know what you are trying to do, but I do not have any mail from you and you messed up some very important work. If you have a question, ask it here please.  Thank you. John from Idegon (talk) 20:56, 14 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I sent two emails using the "Email this user" facility provided by WP. Needed two to bridge the limited space.  Totally sorry if I messed up some of your work.  Don't know how or why. My question will now have to wait as I reconstruct the message.  Stand by, please. User:Troutfella
 * Communications on Wikipedia is usually handled in a transparent manner. If you have a question, ask it here. I will get notification that your talk page has been edited and will respond. Email is generally reserved for sensitive information and I don't see any reason you'd have sensitive info for me. Also, please sign your talk page postings by typing four tildes at the end ( ~ ). Thanks John from Idegon (talk) 02:25, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * John from Idegon, I'm trying to work with you on this if you let me. I deny my motive is to self promote for some egotistical purpose.  I'm 80 and don't seek it at this late date. Rather, my goal is to add to the stature of Acalanes High School.  I graduated from that school more than 60 years ago.  Recently I had reason to visit the school's WP article and noticed the list of notable alumni. I was struck by the somewhat narrow spectrum of the listed fields of endeavor: Music & Entertainment 4; Sports 7; Government & Law 3; etc. There was a total lack of alumni who toiled in the robust environmental movement that began in my era.  That was my field; so that was my motive, to add to the spectrum.

You say I need a stand alone article first. I notice alumni from this an other schools write what is called by WP a " stub article" to meet that requirement. I have done this and I ask that you look at it and decide if this satisfies you as gatekeeper. Just search my name and you'll find it. I await your decision before I try to edit the Acalanes page again. Richard MayTroutfella (talk) 21:59, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

John from Idegon it's getting on to a month waiting for your response and guidance, so I guess you got no alert from this page. Therefor I will repost my Acalanes High School edit to jump start the conversation. Troutfella (talk) 05:21, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Richard May (environmental advocate) for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Richard May (environmental advocate) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Richard May (environmental advocate) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. John from Idegon (talk) 05:52, 9 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Troutfella, while there is no doubt in my mind that you were doing important things, one of Wikipedia's standards for the inclusion of an article is that the subject has received "significant coverage from reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Significant coverage (in Wikipedia parlance) means "not passing mentions". So while I can see that you were quoted in the press about a number of trout-related matters, and I've seen some passing mentions of you in other articles, I'm having difficulty finding stories written about you. (I did find a newspaper clipping of a monument dedication for you. That's good, but not "significant coverage".) If you can point us to any newspaper articles written about you (they don't have to be online, but we would need the name of the periodicals, date, volume, page, writer, etc.) that would be helpful. Since you appear to have a conflict of interest, you are strongly discouraged from editing the article directly, so I'd probably advise you to open a discussion on the article's talk page with that information. Thanks, and I hope this helps. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 13:24, 10 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you Cyphoidbomb for your helpful guidance. I am leaving the country for a month starting today and will try to meet the requirements when I return.  Do magazine articles count?  Or just newspapers, like San Francisco Chronicle, January 15, 2006, Section C, Page C10?  Meanwhile there are some trout in New Zealand I have to go look after.


 * Any reliable published source would count, so yes, magazines are fine, television news programs, etc. The content needs to be specifically about you, the man. Sadly, if you're leaving today, the current article will likely not be at Wikipedia when you get back, since the articles for deletion process typically only lasts 7 days. That aside, enjoy your Zealand trout! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:26, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

November 2015
Please do not write or add to an article about yourself, as you apparently did at Richard May (environmental advocate). Creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged – see our guideline on writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see Wikipedians with articles). If you wish to add to an existing article about yourself, please propose the changes on its talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. If your article has already been deleted, please see: Why was my page deleted?, and if you feel the deletion was an error, please discuss it with the deleting administrator. Thank you. Nat Gertler (talk) 23:49, 10 November 2015 (UTC)