User talk:Trouver

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Referencing concerns
I see that there is concern about the formatting of the references. Referencing will be a challenge, due to the age of the citations. Wikipedia does not have a bias against citations which are not online. Having said that, if a citation can be made to an online source, it is preferable. If a citation is needed to a source which is not online, I don't have access to the materials, so I'm not in a position to know whether the citation style is accurate.

My plan is to make a good faith attempt at fixing those I can fix, and then add ask for feedback.

In the meantime, I stumbled across this:

http://www.jstor.org/pss/427148

I'm not in a position to judge whether it is relevant to the article, but it is online.-- SPhilbrick  T  16:44, 30 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much. I did not realize online citations were preferred, and there are several that will be good citations, including the one you mention above.Trouver (talk) 14:27, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK
Success! The DYK wording has been approved and it is now in the prep area. Looks like it will appear on 2 June, I'll post again when I know the time for sure.-- SPhilbrick  T  21:59, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Should be on Wikipedia front page 8am to 2PM Wednesday 2 June. I've enjoyed working with you on this, now will have to make a plan to come visit the gallery.-- SPhilbrick  T  10:57, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Please do. There is a magnificent exhibition through September. Thank you once again for your wonderful work on this entry.Trouver (talk) 11:32, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Terrain Gallery
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 12:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

traffic stats
Here's what the DYK did - the number of people who viewed Terrain Gallery on Tuesday, the day before the DYK, was 24. On Wednesday, the number of views jumped to 1469 (cumulative, so 1445 on Wednesday). It will probably return to more usual levels today, but we did get almost 1500 extra hits. traffic stats -- SPhilbrick  T  21:39, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * This was exciting to see. I am very grateful for your assistance and learned how to list my sources properly! Thanks again.Trouver (talk) 03:38, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Terrain Gallery
Thanks for your kind words. I prefer to stick to correspondence on my talk page; perhaps you could discuss it there? Yoninah (talk) 00:16, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll try to look at your discussion on drafts3 early next week. Yoninah (talk) 12:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Aesthetic Realism/drafts3
Hi, I looked over this page and just want to say that I am unable to get involved. As much as I enjoy copyediting, this is simply not a subject I want to get familiar with. I think your editor, Will, is doing a great job and hope that you can continue with him when he returns from vacation. Best, Yoninah (talk) 19:09, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
You have  new messages ( last change ).  — fetch ·  comms   23:26, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

GLAMcamp
Great meeting you today at GLAMcamp! I look forward to keeping in touch, please let me know if there is anything I can do for you =) SarahStierch (talk) 15:58, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Entry on America artist Chaim Koppelman
Dear SPhilbrick: Wondered if you might have time to look over & possibly assist with new entry on American artist Chaim Koppelman. Thanks.Trouver (talk) 00:21, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I am back, but I accumulated several to-dos, which I have planned to work on over the next couple days. Your area of interest doesn't match my strength, but it does match SarahStierch's, and I see you have met her. Could I ask you to check with her first, and if she is unable to, I will take a look. -- SPhilbrick (Talk)  13:34, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

OK thanks, will check with her.Trouver (talk) 17:51, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Sarah, when you return from vacation, please let me know if you can take a look at my draft. Thanks.Trouver (talk) 16:27, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Trouver/Sandbox
User:Trouver/Sandbox, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Trouver/Sandbox and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of User:Trouver/Sandbox during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 14:51, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

OK with me.Trouver (talk) 14:45, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
SarahStierch (talk) 19:19, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Chaim Koppelman
I'll try to help. What type of help do you need? Yoninah (talk) 10:07, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I understand there is a backlog of new articles on the mainspace, and I would greatly appreciate your reviewing this and any assistance you could give in getting it up on Wikipedia since I don't have much experience with this. Thanks very much.Trouver (talk) 15:10, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Trouver/DRAFT

Review
Hi Trouver, you put a lot of work into the article, and it shows. Here are some guidelines for readying the page for mainspace:

1. The goal in encyclopedic writing is to be brief rather than wordy, and not to lay on too much praise, as if this were an art review. "Just the facts, ma'am" is the rule of thumb. See where you can shorten/tighten your sentences and paragraphs.

2. Lead: The lead is basically a summary of the main points of the article. Most of what you've written here belongs in a "Critical reception" section further down. The first paragraph of the lead should state who he is and why he’s notable. There could be one or possibly two other paragraphs summarizing the information in the rest of the article.

3. Links: The article is heavily blue-linked, and I'm wondering if any of these links appear more than once, in which case you should only link the first mention.

4. Sources: You need to format your sources rather than using bald URLs. Journal articles need an article title as well as a journal name. Please familiarize yourself with WP:Citing sources and WP:Citation templates. I formatted a few of your references in the lead and Aesthetic Realism paragraph to show you how it's done. You should also format each entry in the Bibliography and Resources sections. In the text, when you cite the same source again and again, you make a template for it. You should add ISBN numbers to all the books you cite.

5. Quotes: There seem to be a lot of quotes in this article, which reads more like an art review than an encyclopedic article. Are they all really necessary? You may want to break out some of the longer quotes into a quote box, such as the one in the paragraph beginning "Upon returning to New York".

Galleries: The galleries should all be moved to the bottom of the article, and the images should be a lot smaller.

The page also needs categories.

Minor points:
 * Your apostrophes and quote marks are coming out slanty because of the font you used on your computer (don't worry, it happens to me all the time). You need to correct each apostrophe and quote mark in the edit box; I did this for the first few paragraphs.)
 * The close quote mark goes before the comma or period.
 * Just enter a line space between paragraphs rather than writing


 * To make a dash, the code is:
 * After you mention someone in the lead and the first paragraph after the first subhead, you just refer to him by his surname.

Best, Yoninah (talk) 21:33, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! I'm happy to look at your work in progress, and answer any questions you may have.
 * By the way, when you sign your posts, type in four tildes: ~ (the tilde key is located at the upper lefthand corner of your keyboard, next to the number 1 key) so your name, the date and the time will appear. You might also consider writing something on your user page so your name comes out with a blue link rather than a red one. Best, Yoninah (talk) 17:19, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Wow!
I am impressed! You did a fantastic job sorting out all the quotes and presenting lots of information in an organized, non-POV, smooth-flowing presentation. This article is not only DYK-worthy, but Wikipedia-worthy! As soon as you post it, you could apply for good article status.

I think the way you cited each author in the Rome catalog looks fine.

I went through each section to copyedit, add links, add quote boxes, and downsize the gallery images so they don't take over the page. You'll notice that I added quite a few "citation needed" tags to the text. For DYK, there needs to be at least one citation per paragraph, but that doesn't mean you can write sentence after sentence without any citation. Particularly in the lead, where you mention all of Koppelman's contributions to New York art education, his establishment of each program needs to be cited (if they're all in the same source, then just put the source after the last sentence).

A few housekeeping notes:
 * I'm not sure what the "Resources" section is doing at the end. If you cited a source in the article and it appears in the footnotes, it doesn't belong here. Sometimes editors put a "Further reading" section at the end, which lists books/articles that aren't cited in the article.


 * When you list categories at the end of the article, don't include a colon before the category name. That's a trick we use on talk pages to show the name of the category page without causing the program to format a box at the bottom, as you'll see on this page.


 * Please be sure to add a link to this page on other Wikipedia pages so it won't be an orphan. Some pages where you could work him in are: School of Visual Arts, any of the other schools where he was a student or part of the faculty, Terrain Gallery (I put a link to this page in the first mention of his wife's name, but you might want to add him elsewhere), any list of printmakers/painters/sculpturers, and Haim. I usually add these links right before I put up the page, so the links won't stay red for long.

Best, Yoninah (talk) 23:55, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

More comments
I agree with using the same image sizes as for Henri Matisse; on my 22" monitor, they don't overpower the article. Please note that when you put a URL into a formatted reference, don't put brackets around the URL, or else it makes it a numbered link. I corrected the formatting in several references.

Footnote questions:
 * Could you please provide an article title for footnotes 29, 31, 32, 33, 34? Should the magazine in footnote 32 be The New York Times and the title, "Art News"?
 * Is this the book you're citing in footnote 15: ? (The reference needs to be formatted more fully.)
 * Could you provide the page names and direct links (not a link to the homepage) on chaimkoppelman.net for footnotes 4 and 40?

Regarding the colons in the category names, a bot is adding them because this article is on your user page. After you move it to a regular Wikipedia page, please delete the colons. Best, Yoninah (talk) 17:10, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Moving along
Hi, the page is in very good shape and IMO is ready to be moved to mainspace. I don't mind moving it, but it's a very simple procedure that you can do yourself. At the top of the page, click on the tab that says "Move". In the box next to "To new title", open the drop-down box and click the first entry, (Article). To the right, where it says: Trouver/DRAFT, replace that with: Chaim Koppelman. For the reason, write: Ready for mainspace. I'll be happy to take care of any redirects and fixing the Category links at the bottom of the page.

What process are you talking about when you mention a review? Are you talking about DYK? Since I had a hand in fixing up the article, I'm not eligible for doing the DYK review. But I can nominate the page and someone else can review it.

Any other questions, just ask. Best, Yoninah (talk) 09:01, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll take care of nominating it for DYK and GA (good article). I'm monitoring the draft page to know when you move it to mainspace so I can take care of the categories and other page links. Best, Yoninah (talk) 17:22, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

✅ I nominated it for GA. Sit tight; it may take a few weeks to months to get a reviewer. Yoninah (talk) 21:09, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * What's going on? Are you ready to move the page, or do you want me to do it? Yoninah (talk) 19:45, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It's done! IMO it's a fine new article. I'd like to go ahead and nominate it for DYK. A hook must be 200 characters or less. What do you think about this hook:
 * (Did you know) ... that American printmaker Chaim Koppelman fascination with Napoleon led to such whimsical works as Napoleon Entering Brighton Beach (pictured)?
 * I'll do the posting on DYK. If you prefer another hook, please suggest it on my talk page. A hook must be 200 characters or less, and catchy enough to draw readers in. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 20:59, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks for your advice. The DYK nomination is at Template:Did you know nominations/Chaim Koppelman. Best, Yoninah (talk) 11:12, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

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 * I took care of fixing most of these. Does Hogarth refer to Paul Hogarth or William Hogarth? Does Munch refer to Edvard Munch or Charles Munch (painter)? Does Peabody Museum refer to Peabody Essex Museum? Yoninah (talk) 13:36, 22 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Edvard Munch, William Hogarth & Peabody Essex Museum. Thanks & this is also on your Talk.Trouver (talk) 15:30, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination
Hi, the DYK nomination was approved, but just today another user suggested this alt hook:
 * ...that American printmaker Chaim Koppelman produced many works about Napoleon throughout his career, placing Napoleon in surprising settings such as Napoleon Entering Brighton Beach (pictured)?
 * What do you think? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 17:28, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I like this new suggestions because it conveys the fact that there were many such works. Thanks!Trouver (talk) 21:10, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi again, the DYK nomination just went into the queue! Right now it's scheduled to hit the main page in New York on January 31 between 11 am and 7 pm. Best, Yoninah (talk) 23:10, 30 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, but the picture was removed!--and wasn't that the whole point of the DYK? Is there any way we can get it placed in Queue 2 with the picture?Trouver (talk) 03:58, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Firstly, almost everyone submits a picture, so most hooks with pictures don't make it into the first slot. Secondly, they might have thought that the picture wouldn't come out well in the tiny size they use on the main page (I also didn't think it looked good small). The way that the hook was written made it perfect for the last slot, which is where they put the offbeat or "quirky" hooks that end the set on an up note. The times that I've had a hook in last place, I've gotten thousands of hits. I don't think there's much we could do about the placement if that's what the hook assembler decided, but I personally am very happy with what we got. Yoninah (talk) 10:43, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Chaim Koppelman
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Arts Portal
Hi, I'm not familiar at all with the nomination process for Featured Article on the Arts Portal. Can you do it yourself, or does someone else have to nominate it? If the latter, I'll be happy to look at the portal next week. Yoninah (talk) 20:48, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for your note. But you deserve most of the credit. You did an amazing whittling down and rewriting the whole article into a very impressive piece. Best, Yoninah (talk) 16:15, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * By the way, with the 24-hour cycle of DYK appearing around the world, the page got over 3,700 hits over January 31 to February 1. It continues to do a brisk business in page views. What's next for you? Best, Yoninah (talk) 08:04, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

GA review is underway!
Please read and keep an eye on the reviewer's comments and requests at Talk:Chaim Koppelman. You need to address the reviewer's concerns in a timely manner so the review won't be put on hold. Best, Yoninah (talk) 13:55, 12 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Guess I've really been out of it. I just read this--very glad the article is being reviewed. I like your re-write of par. 2. In terms of reviewer's comment: "On comprehensiveness...one possible deficit that might be good to expand on is that when I read it I still don't get much of a sense of Aesthetic Realism and how it connects with its work, other than the article saying it does. Any way the Aesthetic Realism and artistic development section could be expanded with rationale etc I think would help the article."
 * Answer: absolutely. I thought the quote made this clear, but I could certainly "expand with rationale". Will propose sentence or two tomorrow. Want to check my sources to make sure I can cite & it's not "original research"
 * Thanks to you both!Trouver (talk) 21:27, 21 February 2013 (UTC)


 * OK all editors, reviewers & friends: please note suggested addition on talk page of Chaim Koppelman. Thanks for your patience.Trouver (talk) 19:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
 * CONGRATULATIONS!!! I just saw the GA icon on the page. Great job! Yoninah (talk) 21:49, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

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 * OK Thanks for this message. I will do my best to help find a resolution. Thanks for posting on DR/N.Trouver (talk) 19:40, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

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 * Thanks, but after receiving comment I deleted the article and decided to wait until I have better sources. Trouver (talk) Trouver (talk) 17:21, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

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