User talk:True Pagan Warrior/Archive 2

Your support
...in Requests_for_adminship links to non-existent page True Pagan Warrior/RfA?  Chzz  ►  14:21, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Re:Admin coaching
-  F ASTILY  (T ALK ) 01:06, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Offtopic
Always glad to oblige! . . dave souza, talk 16:50, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha thanks, I shall never go hungry again!--~TPW 16:55, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Ah, best to take no chances, time to stock up on flies cemetery. Hope you enjoy! . . . dave souza, talk 19:40, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The food-naming practices of the United Kingdom never cease to amuse me. And here I thought spotted dick was cream of the crop!--~TPW 20:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * All genuine! I had to hie me to Dunoon at the weekend for some rambling, and in the tea-room queue at the Benmore Botanic Garden several of the walkers were expressing hope that there would still be flies cemetery left when their turn came – not sure if there was, I settled for a more pedestrian lemon meringue pie. All very nice. . . dave souza, talk 20:23, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Americans have no sense of adventure, I tell you . . . --~TPW 20:26, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't think that's true, just different traditions. Goes off to cook haggis, neeps and tatties for tea. . . dave souza, talk 20:41, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Admin Coaching
Hi True Pagan Warrior. I remember you contacted me a few weeks back regarding admin coaching. Would you still be interested? If so, please do let me know and we'll get started asap. Best,  F ASTILYsock (T ALK ) 03:35, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, that was way back before the interface changed - do I have to click "take me back" to answer? Okay, now you have seen my lame attempt at wikihumor, and we can move on.  That would be splendid.  What will you need of me for starters?--~TPW 11:10, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Lol, A for effort ;) So before we get started, I'd like to have your permission to create several coaching subpages in your userspace, if that's alright with you of course. Regards,  F ASTILY  (T ALK ) 02:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem, create away. My userspace is yours to edit.--~TPW 10:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Great!! Please see User:True Pagan Warrior/Admin coaching to get started. Cheers,  F ASTILY  (T ALK ) 01:05, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

circular reference Deepwater Horizon oil spill
Would you mind replace the reference you removed from the lead of Deepwater Horizon oil spill. That particular sentance has been the focus of a great deal of controversy, and I wanted to make it as clear as possible where those numbers are coming from (a summary of all the estimates detailed in Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill). The reference isn't even that cicular, it is the lead referecing a subsection. I know that it isn't standard and proper to do so, but I really wanted to WP:Ignore all rules and have that in there until things calm down on this article.

By having that reference in there, I think it will stop people from going back and forth in a circle fighting about it that sentance, and productively moving forward with the expansion and refinement of this article.

Thanks, -  Aalox (Say Hello • My Work) 15:58, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
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Hey
Just thought I'd drop by and say hi since it's been a while since we last spoke (about inglorious backlogs if I recall! Zzzzz). While I'm here (see how I worked that in? ;) ), I don't suppose I could tempt you into a second attempt at RfA? Looking at #1, it was over 4 months ago and 44/17/8 ain't bad. I could do with a hand dealing with those oft overlooked admin areas (you'd be surprised how often the editprotected category backs up, for example). Just a thought... Best, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   03:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That is just the sort of message that makes me want to snort derisively at my non-wiki backlogs and redouble my efforts here - thank you for that!
 * As for a response, I have good news and bad news. The good news is that, when the time is right, I do believe I will try again.  The bad news is that my coach made me agree not to allow anyone else to nominate me.  Yes, after our inglourious (am I over Britishising this?) conversation I took a long look at my RfA's vague reference to "backlogs" and realized that if I'm going to do try again, it would be a lot easier if I had some demonstrable experience rather than just enthusiasm.   has a particular interest in coaching editors on the subtleties of images, one of the granddaddies of backlogs, and has been kind enough to take me on.  I know that admin coaching isn't always in favor, but since it's pretty clear that Fastily's style doesn't help game the system, the potential downside is well worth the knowledge I'm gaining.  (In fact, I've been using a surprising amount of this information off-wiki, so it's a win for me regardless of outcome.)
 * So yes, at some point I hope to seek the mop again. I'm very pleased that you support the idea!  Feel free to stalk my coaching or otherwise be supportive.  ;)  --~TPW 03:30, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, well I'd rather Fastily teach you about the file namespace than me. I have minimal knowledge there (and everything I know, I got from Fastily!) and the sheer size of some of the backlogs is enough to make anyone run away screaming so I stick to zapping the odd copyvio as it crosses my path. Let me know when you're feeling masochistic and send you an email with all my trick RfA questions (I have at least on that gets everyone!) to see how many times I can trip you up ;). I shall certainly stalk your coaching, or at least lurk in the background pretending I know what Fastily's talking about! Perhaps I'll give you a co-nom when the time's right, but I'm glad to see you haven't given up on the idea. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   03:47, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the offer. In the meantime I will try to root out all your trick questions without emailing you, so I can knock your socks off by not being tripped up (I hope)!--~TPW 04:18, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You can try! ;) I won't ask you about CSD, but there's a very nasty question going round at the minute that's sunk more than one RfA. Cough. I wouldn't tell you what that was, though! Cough, cough! :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   13:07, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh I think I know which one you mean. Honestly the question-of-the-moment does more to screw up perfectly good candidates than anything else.  I don't think there's a good answer to the current one so I will wait to see what they're asking in a week or two.  :-P--~TPW 13:50, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, actually looked at the link. I thought you were referring to the "drama of the week" question.  It's a terribly tricky problem that isn't unfair because it can easily happen that way.  I've always found CSD to be a tricky area overall and would probably defer to another admin rather than decline until I felt confident.  Funny how a process designed to be easy is anything but!--~TPW 13:54, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * So if you were the only admin on WP and you came to that, what would you do? Bear in mind that I vehemently opposed the last person to get it wrong... HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   13:59, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This example shows me that evaluating based on the criterion offered isn't enough. Can't delete it under A7, but it must be deleted under G10.  Had my RfA been ten days ago I almost certainly would have gotten it wrong because I would have looked at it too narrowly.--~TPW 14:05, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Many people think that's quite a petty thing to oppose over, but that's one of a very small number of things that will prompt me to write "strong oppose" (or, in the last case, "strongest possible oppose", but there were other issues there). I clean out the expired PRODs quite frequently and you wouldn't believe the shit people put a BLP PROD tag on. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   14:14, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I prod articles only very rarely and don't know the back end of that process at all. I suppose you can simply remove the tag as easily as any editor, and that you're expected to exercise reasonable judgment to keep poorly-prodded articles from deletion. Is that a fair assessment?--~TPW 14:17, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's about right. I send some to AfD, usually because the PROD was contested and then restored, but some stuff really needs a speedy tag on it. I don't deal with A7, but I delete a fair few likely candidates as expired PRODs, then you get the odd negative BLP (followed up by a stern note on the tagger's talk page), copyvio, some spam makes it through. Around 80% of it though is crap, but not speediable, you just have to be careful to zap the stuff that needs zapping, because if you delete it via PROD, it can be restored on request. AfD is the interesting one- however you close it, someone's going to be unhappy! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   14:29, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Fairly closing AfDs is, in my estimation, the best example of what an admin should be doing. The fact that some of the opposers considered me "too deletionist" really stung me, because I believe myself to be balanced in my approach.  However, my recent history at the time didn't bear that out, and I have tried to be more cautious in recommending deletion since.  Improving the encyclopedia is a balancing act between cutting the crap and using the crap as fertilizer . . . I don't think we need more admins that are viewed as "inclusionist" or "deletionist," and I think the community agrees.  Being able to see both sides of an issue and knowing the difference between one's opinion and community consensus is really, really important.--~TPW 14:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't get involved in the whole inclusionist vs. deletionist war, I just weigh up the argument in accordance with WP:ATA and the relevant policies. I tend to be slightly more delete happy when it comes to crappy BLPs, but I don't close that many- soemone else usually beats me to it. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   14:56, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

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AfD nomination of Halloween Horror Nights (Orlando)
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 * Long overdue in my opinion. I added a redirect from the above link to the correct AfD for both articles, since you probably left this message in a number of places.  Feel free to delete it if that was too brazen an addition for your tastes!--~TPW 17:15, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that! I thought I'd done the template correctly so that it would link to the Hollywood AfD, but obviously not! Good call -- Phantom Steve /talk &#124;contribs \ 17:25, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Anything to get another friendly, orange bar at the top of my screen! :-P--~TPW 17:34, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

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 * Well I daresay the eye reminds me of the old Eyewitness News logo - very retro!--~TPW 01:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I think they dug it up from de.wiki, since they've been using full blown flagged revs (without the "pending changes" euphemism) for a while. I'm surprised you didn't have it already, but Amalthea wrote a script to tick the box and leave the above (sorry to disappoint, I never even clicked "edit" ;)) so I've been giving it out like candy floss! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:42, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a nifty template regardless. The script may not be perfect, because I'm pretty sure Courcelles flipped the bit a couple of days ago, but I don't mind two people considering me "trusted."--~TPW 02:05, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * He did indeed. You weren't showing up on popus as having it and I couldn't be arsed to pull up your log to double check! ;) I'm told the script will template you even if you already have the right, but hey, your talk page is quieter than mine so you can deal with random tempaltes falling out of the sky. Speaking of things falling from the sky... HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   02:38, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, I think I know him. I really think I was born in the wrong country.  You get things falling from the sky, Guatemala gets burrowing kaiju attacks] (unless you have a better theory than a giant, burrowing monster, of course) . . . it's much too boring here.--~TPW 02:52, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ha! They could be twins! That's hilarious! That's given me something to chuckle about before I retire for the night! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   03:19, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

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 * My participation in this drive was not as significant as I had hoped; this was the beginning of a semi-wikibreak for me.--~TPW 20:29, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

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1. Are you a member of social networks such Facebook or MySpace?

2. In addition to maintaining a user page in Wikipedia, have you also written or edited articles? If so, about how many times?

3. What are the key messages about yourself that you hope to convey with your user page?

4. Have your Wikipedia contributions ever received feedback, such as being edited by others or commented on? Have you received a message from another Wikipedia user? If so, do you think your user page positively or negatively affected what other people said and how they said it?

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ADDITONAL INFORMATION

Background

•	I am asking you to participate in a research project that is part of my MA degree.

•	I am asking you because you have created a user page in Wikipedia that other people can use to learn about you.

Purpose

•	My research is about how people present themselves online.

•	I will look at how people present themselves when presenting themselves to the Wikipedia community.

Study Procedures

•	With your consent, I will analyze the language of your user page and gather basic statistics such as the count of words, the frequency of words, the number of sections, and so on.

•	I will also read the text of your user page, looking for elements in common with ads posted by other people. I will note whether you include a picture, or links to other content on the internet.

•	I ask you to answer my five questions, above. This will take about ten to fifteen minutes to complete. I will ask you to answer the questions within a week, and send your answers to me.

•	Throughout my research, I will adhere to the University of Alberta Standards for the Protection of Human Research Participants, which you can view at http://www.uofaweb.ualberta.ca/gfcpolicymanual/policymanualsection66.cfm

Benefits

•	There is no direct benefit to you for participating in this research. You may, however, find it interesting to read my perspective on how you present yourself online.

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Thank-you again!

Re: Shahara
I'm more of a rabid foaming deletionist to be honest, but! I'm willing to provide deleted material and will restore if you can provide sources (otherwise I'll probably restore and send to AFD). <font face="comic sans ms"> Kwsn  (Ni!)  15:35, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

GOCE Invitation

 * I believe I was largely inactive during this time.--~TPW 12:04, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Re: List of common misconceptions
Thanks for your advice, I wasn't aware people didn't know everyone thinks bananas are fruits, and the fact that they are herbs is sourced in the article. I'll look into it and resubmit. PS: Ouch! You've used a template to send a to an experienced editor. Please review Don't template the regulars or maybe listen to a little advice. Doesn't this feel cold, impersonal, and canned? It's meant in good humor. Best wishes. Frank Westerton  Talk   Contributions  12:33, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Hudson Valley
If the anon really wishes to do this right, they'll actually create the AfD instead of just putting the tag on. And if they do, I suspect it will be speedy keep as the shortage of references isn't a reason to delete the article (No, we're not the German Wikipedia) and I think plenty of people who contribute to an AfD will see that.

I also wonder if this is some sort of disruptive nomination by a sock of someone who's upset that some article dear to their hearts got deleted for that sort of reason. This anon comes along pretty knowledgeable in WP policy; then is followed by a registered account. Hmmmm ... Daniel Case (talk) 20:40, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

I'll just give him the chance to actually finish starting the AfD ... you'd think that huge redlink in the middle of the tag would blink when the actual AfD hasn't been created. If he hasn't done it within, say, 24 hours, we can take the tag off. I've done some further digging and it looks like Usnetizen is a bit ticked about having an addition to Lehigh Valley reverted. So he's trying to prove a point. Daniel Case (talk) 20:48, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

So do I, but I'll let it play out a bit before doing anything. Daniel Case (talk) 20:53, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Review
Greetings. I noticed that you gave valuable feedback at Featured article candidates/Hudson Valley Rail Trail/archive1 and said "I am going to review the criteria more carefully before I actually support." That was about a week ago. The article currently has been supported by two people. If you finish reviewing and support the article, it will probably pass GA status. But if you don't get to it, it will probably time out and fail to be promoted very soon. I just wanted to let you know. All the best, – Quadell (talk) 17:25, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I had no idea that the article was at a tipping point - thank you, I will right now!--~TPW 18:59, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Archive bot on Talk:Occupy Wall Street
Hey TPW, can you enable archiving there now? The number of open threads is at 102... <font style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk   23:30, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I tweaked the settings somewhat. Someone had changed it to archive after three days, but only if at least 50 threads met that criterion.  I set it back to a minimum threads to archive of two.  Should clear on the jam fully tomorrow.

November copy edit drive
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 * Note to self: unsigned isn't one of those templates which is smart enough to figure things out for itself.--~TPW 17:10, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Facepalm
I notice you've been editing it. No-one has contributed good sources to it yet, or indeed any sources, least of all the people who voted in the deletion discussion. Is there no action we can take against this rubbish article? --2.98.190.178 (talk) 16:30, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The community wishes to keep it, so if I can find ways to improve it I will. I don't bear grudges against articles which aren't deleted, though; it's entirely possible that in time it will become notable.--~TPW 20:15, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course it's 'entirely possible' it will become notable, but we both know it's extremely unlikely - that was the point you started the deletion discussion in the first place, was it not? Does this mean you've changed your mind and you think the article deserves to be kept? --2.98.190.178 (talk) 01:02, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that we have a process, and in this case the consensus was that the article should be kept. I won't nominate it again myself, but if I find that someone else has I would probably weigh in.  I don't get to decide that all by myself, so I'll just focus on improving the articles I can and not worrying too much about the ones that I feel should be deleted but aren't.  The process usually favors keeping over deleting, and I see nothing wrong with being extra-cautious in using the nuclear option.--~TPW 01:26, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair enough I suppose, though now I'm not entirely sure what it is you think as you seem to be affecting a tone one might expect to hear from someone who believes there are concealed microphones in the walls... (Anyway I have read and reread 'nuclear option' several times and couldn't really understand it before I almost fell asleep so you might have to rephrase that. Are you just inferring a vote instead of a discussion?) --78.150.144.90 (talk) 16:27, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry. What I meant is that deletion is the most extreme thing you can do to an article, so even when consensus seems to ignore policy entirely, as in this case, I respect the fact that there are quite a few editors who are extremely cautious about when to use it.  I would much rather see an article kept against policy than deleted against policy, so in a case like this I am not likely to push for deletion again anytime soon.--~TPW 17:09, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Nabobs
Haha. Of course, it is an excellent example to add.

I didn't know that page existed (That's what I love about this place ... you can be here for years, and still there are new aspects of it that reveal themselves to you. I've always wanted to write a sort-of related essay along the lines of "The real world is not Wikipedia" for people who apply Wikipedia policies to reliably-sourced documents (like the nominator here) and some other instances of not taking one's head out of the clouds I've come across. Daniel Case (talk) 18:07, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Dreadlocks
Recently, you removed an external link I had posted on the Dreadlocks page for DreadLife. After reading through the guidelines for posting external links, I can understand why this decision was made; however, I question one of the remaining links for Dreadlocks.org. Whereas Dreadlocks.org focuses mainly on salon maintained dreadlocks, DreadLife.com provides information, tutorials, pros and cons, maintenance, etc on several dreading methods to help maintain an unbiased source of information. I suppose the point of this is, why is Dreadlocks.org okay, but Dreadlife.com isn't? Shadowweaver007 (talk) 02:00, 20 October 2011 (UTC)