User talk:Truman Starr

I am trying to notify user terrance7 of a discussion involving him on the NPOV page. I am confused about how to fill out this form: ==Notice of Neutral point of view noticeboard discussion== Hello, Truman Starr. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Neutral point of view/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Nevermind, I get it now!

Suggestions
Setting aside our disagreement on the Kevyn Orr article for the moment, here are a few good-faith helpful suggestions for you as you get your feet wet editing Wikipedia:


 * When you're having a discussion on a talk page, use colons ::: to indent your responses progressively with each round of conversation so that the discussion is easier to follow. The discussion at Talk:Kevyn Orr was really jumbled until I cleaned it up just now.
 * Don't post on people's user pages, as you did to mine (I had to get an admin to delete it this morning). The user page is for each user to edit himself and generally not for anyone else to interfere with. If you want to communicate with another user, use the user talk page.
 * Be careful not to accuse people of acting in bad faith. You've said multiple times that I'm "vandalizing" the article, simply because I disagree about the appropriateness of an inflammatory opinion quotation from the World Socialist Web Site for a biographical article (and also the reliability of WSWS as a source for Wikipedia). Whether I'm right or wrong, I hope you can recognize that this is not a wholly unreasonable argument for me to be making. I've got something like 8 years of Wikipedia editing under my belt and I am acting in good faith here. Please notice that I left in a number of other pieces of factual information that you added that are unfavorable to Orr, such as his $700/hr pay while working on the Chrysler bankruptcy, the situation with the unpaid liens on his house, and the fact that he asked Chrysler to close a bunch of dealerships. I'm absolutely in favor of a balanced article based on factual information and relevant opinions.

Thanks. Terence7 (talk) 20:52, 18 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the pointers. I'll refrain from accusing you of acting in bad faith from here on.  I understand you have an issue with the WSWS as a credible source.  It is in Kevyn Orr's job description that one of the tools at his disposal is the ability to throw out union contracts without negotiation.  This is why he is considered by some to be an "enemy of working people."  He has been appointed by a governor who has also been accused of being a "union buster" for making Michigan a Right To Work state despite strong union sentiment and large protests in the state of Michigan.  Both the EM law and Right To Work were pushed into legislation in lame duck sessions.  The opinion of a large international union-sympathetic voice is pertinent here.  Truman Starr (talk) 22:30, 19 March 2013 (UTC)