User talk:TruthWriterTruthSeeker

Dalit Panthers
I have reverted your addition to this article as I can't find a reliable source referencing "Arvind Ingle" is this the same person as "Arjun Dangle", who is already listed as a founder? Both could conceivably be transliterations of the same name.

JeffUK (talk) 14:22, 5 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Arjun Dangle and Arvind Ingle are both different people. Although it is very easy to confuse the two as both were 'men of literature' for the Dalit Panther movement. Arvind Ingle was a close friend and room-mate of Raja Dhale since their early childhood days. His name is not very well known to people as he left the movement in Mumbai to spread it in his home district - Washim (Maharashtra). Also, Ramdas Athavle - the now minister in Indian Politics was a sidekick back in those days of these founding members. Ramdas Athavle was junior to Raja Dhale and company but use to hang out with the same group. I even know the Hostel Room that Raja Dhale and Arvind Ingle use to live in their hostel in Mumbai. Its Room number 16 at a Dadar Hostel in Mumbai.

As for proof, you can check "Dalit Mitra Award Winners list" 2003-2004. Arvind Ingle was awarded for his contribution as a founding member to the Dalit Panther movement. Also I got some photoghraphs with me to prove the same. Also, I can arrainge many eye witness testimonies for you, who can verify Arvind Ingles Role as a founding member. You can also cross verify this information from the other founding members and/or their families. You can also communicate with me for furthur details on the Dalit Panther movement on my email address- sid741994@gmail.com

TruthWriterTruthSeeker (talk) 15:09, 5 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Is the "Dalit Mitra Award Winners list" 2003-2004 available online anywhere, or in printed form? Your own personal research does not count, wikipedia relies on reliable 3rd party sources. Other sources e.g. [] do not mention Ingle at all,  so the onus is on you to prove he was involved.  JeffUK (talk) 15:52, 5 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, it does. Its a National Award - so all records are available in the goverment of India archives. I am sending you a copy of the same. Arvind Ingle's name is 47th on the awardee list. Also, I am sending you a picture of 'Raja Dhale' (The main founder of Dalit Panther) and 'Arvind Ingle' together. Both of them together in the twilight years of their life.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1oI3NEQUwwmn1hR8uRV2SHWPrwLfQGOxS?usp=sharing Please find the relevant info in the shared folder above. TruthWriterTruthSeeker (talk) 16:28, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Then please add a reference to the relevant document in the Government of India archives online when re-adding the information to the article. Photographs of two people together are not evidence. please read WP:Original carefully.  I assume you are also a relative of Arvind Ingle based on you sharing the same family name?  Please refrain for adding information to wikipedia about people to whom you have a direct relationship. JeffUK (talk) 16:32, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I have read the WP:Original, and yes, Arvind Ingle was my late father. He passed away in 2018. But the information I have given you is true - also I have given you the Awardee List Proof that you asked for. Did you check the documents which I have sent you?

If I have the necessary proofs then I dont think it should matter all that much. dont you think so? TruthWriterTruthSeeker (talk) 16:45, 5 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Have you checked the list you asked for?

I mean, you asked for it, then I think you accept it for evedience? Right? TruthWriterTruthSeeker (talk) 16:53, 5 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Nothing you have provided passes Wikipedia's criteria for a reliable source. Sorry but until the fact that your father was a founding member of the Dalit Panthers is published in a reliable source, it cannot be included in an article on here.  If you find such a source, please refrain from editing the article yourself, instead create a new section on the Talk:Dalit Panthers page, explaining that you have a direct connection with the subject, and ask for another editor to make the change for you. As per WP:CONFLICT JeffUK (talk) 19:23, 5 October 2021 (UTC)