User talk:Truthinwords

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Regarding your question on User:Pats1's talk page, read WP:EL.► Chris Nelson  01:33, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, read WP:OWN. I have every right to monitor the Panthers' article as I do Hugh Hefner or Australia. Pats1 01:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I see nothing in the link you posted that prohibits fan sites, please do me the favor of pointing out exactly what you are refering to. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Truthinwords (talk • contribs).


 * The problem with unofficial sites are that they are endless. I could make a blog about the Miami Dolphins but it does not mean it's worthy of being linked from here. There's simply no clear way to determine how popular a "fan site" needs to be in order to be listed here. And in that case, it's best to leave unofficial sites out completely. It could also be a conflict of interest. I think it's best to stick to official website and media outlets.
 * Also, please sign your posts on talk pages with ~ .► Chris Nelson  01:55, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

It may be a problem in your eyes, but you've yet to provide for me why it's either A Spam, or B not allowed, other than your personal opinion. As far as signing, I'm new to wiki so I'll admit ignorance, and this is the only way I could discern replying to you directly.

I'm not looking to pick a fight, but you basically stated I broke the rules, and I'm asking you to show me why. If it needs to be done please call in moderation to settle this —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Truthinwords (talk • contribs).


 * Any admin will tell you the same thing. It's spam because it's basically advertising for that site. It's not an official affiliate of the NFL or the Panthers and it's not a real media outlet. If we let one fan site we have to let them all, and that would be chaos.► Chris Nelson  02:10, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * What Chris said. Pats1 02:22, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, well let me ask you to submit the dispute. I'll try to figure it out later, but I'm sure you know how.

Again, please excuse my ignorance, and this isn't personal. I'd simply like to have an admin answer to what the problem is with the link. The site in question is no cost for use. I am not affiliated in any way other than being a member. If this is based on NFL policy, so be it, otherwise I don't see the problem. You're Pat's site has what 20 links? The Panthers have 3, one to Steve Smith, and I'm sure no one other than yourself would complain about this link, save other fan site's, and that would be fine if a legit one's linked. Seems in the spirit of wiki to allow that.

BTW, it's only pre-season but The Pat's are going down on Friday :)

Truthinwords 02:58, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Every admin will agree with us. Really no need to debate. and what are you talking about regarding the Patriots and links? Pats1 does the same thing on all 32 team articles.► Chris Nelson  03:03, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

OK since you're not up for moderation, I'll ask. Have a nice day :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Truthinwords (talk • contribs).


 * You can, I'm not trying to prevent you. I just wasn't going to go out of my way to get another view when I knew what it'd be.► Chris Nelson  03:11, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think you understand how Wikipedia works. Forget about admins for this type of deal - they are there for the technical and bureaucratic side of things. The guidelines are clear. In this case it's WP:EL. Fansite links are there purely for advertising/promotion purposes, no matter how you slice it. You can go down the line and list hundreds of fansites for every team. And their popularity is completely a matter of point of view. They've been shown to cause problems, so they're left out. Wikipedia is not a linkfarm. Pats1 03:15, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually I understand exactly how wikepedia works, It's basically a buffet of unfounded facts and it needs moderation. You'll notice since we've had direct discussion I haven't attempted edits, we could fight that all day long to what prevail. I'd have contacted you directly If I knew how.

I see you feel It's your responsibility to moderate the Panthers page, why I still don't know. I could see your problem if I was trying to promote anything you have issue with, but as of yet you've still to give me anything but opinion (not that I don't respect your opinion)why.

I'll just push it up.. It's not on you at all, and I never meant to represent that. Wouldn't be the first time I was wrong, but you state rules as if they are facts, and reading them I don't agree. I/we'll see. Either way no hard feelings.

Since we're basically done have a nice life. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Truthinwords (talk • contribs).


 * You say you understand how Wikipedia works, but you show you don't - at least not fully - immediately after. We're not trying to bully you here, but both of us have been around for quite some time. He's not reverting this link to be a dick, he's doing it because he knows from experience it's not going to fly.► Chris Nelson  05:25, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

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