User talk:Tryde/Archive 9

Abdy Baronets
Hello- have proposed move of this article and others similarly-named to use the common noun baronet (on Talk page). Regards Crusoe8181 (talk) 11:21, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Sebastian Coe
"The Lord" is not his name, and that's what the template attribute is for. Don't just re-add something that was just reverted (was that added by you, as an IP?) without an edit summary or a discussion. In fact, please start using edit summaries at all, consistently not doing so may be considered to be disruptive editing. Nczempin (talk) 06:29, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * His legal name is Sebastian Newbold, Baron Coe. The style "The Lord X" is used in info boxes even if the article name does not include the title (see for instance Margaret Thatcher and Douglas Hurd). Also, he is styled "The Right Honourable" in virtue of being a baron, another reason why the title should be used in the info box. And no, it wasn't me who edited under an IP number. I created this account in February 2006... Tryde (talk) 06:42, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I would prefer if this consensus (assuming that it is) were documented somewhere; use in some other articles is not a good argument per se IMHO. Anyway, since the Thatcher article has it, perhaps then it would make sense to use "|birthname=..." here too? But my main concern is really using the edit summaries, especially when the change is potentially controversial. Nczempin (talk) 08:47, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * According to MOS:HONORIFIC, yes, they go in the infobox, provided a consensus on the talk page agrees of course. However, they don't go in the prose, nor in tables, and shouldn't be added to an article where they aren't currently used without seeking consensus.-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 17:01, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you have misunderstood this. MOS:HONORIFIC is not of any relevance here. A peerage is not an honorific, it's a legal part of a person's name (hence the guidelines are wrong). As I said above Lord Coe's legal name is Sebastian Newbold, Baron Coe. Lord Carrington has been active in British politics under the name Lord Carrington for almost seventy years. That's how he is known. He, like all other peers, is referred to under the more formal "The Lord Carrington" in infoboxes and lists, see for instance Secretary of State for Defence or Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs. In running text he would be referred to as Lord Carrington or simply Carrington (see this guideline). He is referred to as Lord Carrington in NATO's own biography of him, as are Lord Ismay and Lord Robertson of Port Ellen. If we take your view we would refer to for instance Lord Palmerston as Henry Temple, or Lord Salisbury as Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, names they would be unrecognisable under. Tryde (talk) 17:52, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Each article is a unique set of circumstances, and seeking consensus on these sorts of this is always the best idea. An article or list, for example, on British offices might use one form, while another on international offices can use a different one. Its more important to use a coherent style within the section or article, and if that style is informal, then the formal names become wrong. The key here is to remain encyclopedic, and not let these titles get in the way of familiarity. If you feel guidelines are wrong, you can start a topic about it at the relevant Manual of Style page, but that's what I would look to.-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 21:54, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

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Naming_conventions_(royalty_and_nobility)
Could you have a look at Naming_conventions_(royalty_and_nobility) and see whether your renaming of Uvedale Price, 1st Baronet was correct. Thank you. Jan Arkesteijn (talk) 22:12, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * If I can put my oar in here, you were completely wrong (if Sir or Baronet used with the name BOTH MUST be- nothing to do with Wikipedia). Hovever the title should only be used for disambiguation so Uvedale Price it should be - see Price baronets (and he was only a baronet in last year of his life, beyond his productive period) so I will request a move (my attempt just now failed) Crusoe8181 (talk) 05:02, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

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Baron Rich
I see you have blanked this page and replaced it with a redirect, without any discussion or prior notice, and with very little explanation that I can see. I’ve reverted this per WP:BRD and opened a discussion here. I see also that this isn’t the only page where you have done this: So what’s going on? Swanny18 (talk) 21:59, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I have explained this on the Baron Rich talk page. Tryde (talk) 08:07, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I have responded to your "explanation"; I've also posted a query here should you wish to comment. Swanny18 (talk) 23:11, 29 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I don’t think you are getting this.
 * I objected to the cavalier way you treated the Baron Rich (and other) pages. Now (while we are all still discussing the matter) you have, in the same cavalier fashion, rearrnged the Earl of Warwick page so that its unlike any other peerage page we have.
 * I’ve reverted that (also per BRD) and put a suggestion on the talk page on how to proceed. Or, we could finish the discussion at WP PEER before going any further. What do you reckon? Swanny18 (talk) 23:27, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Baring family
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Warwick, etc
Regarding the discussion you opened at WT:PEER, there’s been no further comments so I’ve drawn a conclusion; do you have any objections? One of the comments also referred to the Wodehouse/Kimberley arrangement. I’ve really no axe to grind over that (save the way it was done), but as it doesn’t meet the guidelines either I would suggest (if you feel it worth keeping) that you put a post-facto explanation of the merger there, to make an IAR case for having it that way. I’ve also opened a discussion on the Beauchamp page you might want to comment on. Swanny18 (talk) 23:32, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

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William Bruce of Kinross
I know you're on a break at the moment, but as you moved William Bruce (architect) to Sir William Bruce, 1st Baronet, of Balcaskie on 4 May 2009 I thought I'd let you know I've requested the article be moved again, to Sir William Bruce, 1st Baronet. Opera hat (talk) 13:17, 13 January 2013 (UTC)